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  • The Twins Rotation Isn’t That Far From Fixing


    Thiéres Rabelo

    The upcoming MLB season – whenever it happens – is likely not one in which the Twins will be contenders. But that doesn’t mean they are destined to be terrible. Here’s how Minnesota can fix their rotation and have a competitive team in 2022.

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    What do they have so far?
    The Twins ended the 2021 season with a depleted starting rotation, especially after the José Berríos trade and the Kenta Maeda season-ending injury. One can argue that it was depleted since the beginning of the season, with J.A. Happ and Matt Shoemaker being part of it. But from such a dark year on the mound, two seemingly good arms emerged from the minors.

    Bailey Ober had his ups and downs but, overall, he had a very solid rookie campaign. His most impressive stretch of the season might have been the ten starts in July and August, in which he posted a 3.06 ERA, a 3.87 FIP, with 51 strikeouts and only 11 walks. With less than a hundred innings pitched on the major league level so far, you might argue that he isn’t a very reliable option just yet, but his first impression was not bad at all.

    Joe Ryan joined the organization in mid-July as part of the Nelson Cruz trade. After a couple of solid starts for St. Paul in August, he got called up in September, making his big league debut, and he probably couldn’t have asked for a better one. In his second start, he carried a perfect game into the seventh inning, on his way to a seven-inning shutout on only 85 pitches.

    Over his first four starts, Ryan maintained a very impressive 2.45 ERA and 2.49 FIP, keeping opposing batters to a .133 batting average. He struck out batters 25 times while walking them only three times. In his final start of the season, he gave up six earned runs against Detroit, spoiling his final numbers, but not the optimism around him going forward.

    To quote the great Do-Hyoung Park, from MLB.com, if all had gone according to plan for the Twins this season, they probably wouldn’t have discovered these two exciting, young arms.

    The third pitcher set to start the season on the Twins rotation is Dylan Bundy, whom Minnesota signed shortly before the league went into lockout. His career numbers aren’t impressive, and in 2021, he was moved to the Angels bullpen after struggling for the first half of the season. He did get back to the rotation in early August and closed out the season with a 3.31 ERA in the final four starts.

    In the shortened season of 2020, his first year with the Angels, Bundy had his best season in the majors, finishing ninth in the AL Cy Young Award voting after posting 3.29 ERA, 2.95 FIP, 138 ERA+, with 9.9 strikeouts per nine and only 2.3 walks per nine. Did Wes Johnson see anything in Bundy that can be tweaked into a 2020 version of him?

    How can they realistically fill the remaining gaps?
    Suppose you consider the aforementioned trio good enough to fill the bottom part of the rotation. In that case, the Twins can very well build a competitive group of starters by making only two additions. Here’s how I would go about filling the two remaining rotation spots.

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    My favorite trade target is Frankie Montas. The A’s are believed to be on the verge of resetting, thus making their veteran starters available for trades. The Dominican righty is coming off a career year, having started 32 games for Oakland and accumulated 3.7 bWAR, both career-best marks for him. Over 187 innings of work in 2021, he was able to maintain a 3.37 ERA and 3.37 FIP, striking out 10.0 batters per nine and walking 2.7 per nine.

    Such numbers earned him a sixth-place finish in the AL Cy Young Award last season, and he is under team control for two more seasons. He produced at least twice as much bWAR as any Twins pitcher in 2021. In a rebound year for Minnesota, I can see him being the difference-maker for a team that wants to avoid a rebuilding process. Twins Daily’s Nash Walker wrote an in-depth article discussing Montas as a trade target, but not only him. He also wrote about Chris Bassitt and Luis Castillo.

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    Since 2022 is likely not a year the Twins will be competing for a World Series, they should be looking for a proven veteran that can eat up innings and provide them with stability instead of an impact starter. In this scenario, two names come to mind, both of which are former Twins.

    Jake Odorizzi’s time with Minnesota didn’t end up well. In the COVID-shortened 2020 season, he struggled with injuries and missed the first portion of the season. He made only four starts that year and had an awful 6.59 ERA. He signed with the Astros for the 2021 season, and his beginning with the Houston organization was also rough, but he would eventually pick up. After struggling in his first six starts, he posted a 3.74 ERA in the final 18 starts of the season.

    Those numbers could indicate that he might be back on track and ready to be a reliable contributor once again. Trading for him makes sense, as you can potentially bring back a former All-Star who is still only 31 and is very likely to provide you with 150 innings, if healthy.

    Michael Pineda is another option I like, but many Twins fans are quick to dismiss. His time with Minnesota was stained by so much time he missed due to injuries and the suspension, but that doesn’t change the fact that he delivered some very solid innings. In 21 starts in 2021, he pitched the second-most innings for the year (106 1/3 innings) and posted a very decent 3.72 ERA.

    Odorizzi and Pineda aren’t aces you can rely on for years to come, but either of them (or both) could help the Twins not to suck in 2022. The most important aspect of this season is to take pressure off the development of top pitching prospects who have already reached the major league level, like Ober and Ryan. If prospects like Josh Winder and Jordan Balazovic make the leap to the majors this year, they could also benefit from that.

    Plus, a rotation like this could be considered much better than the one they had last year, so they could have a much better outcome than the one they had in 2021.

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    What do you think? How would you fill those two rotation gaps differently? Share your thoughts in the comment section!

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    I'm not a fan of Montas. If you look at his numbers at home compared to on the road, he definitely benefits from dimensions of the A's ballpark as do all of their pitchers. He is a tier below Berrios. No Odo, we don't need 5 innings from him when it could mean developing someone with top of rotation possibility.

    Sign Big Mike, give Dobnak one last shot at the rotation and roll with the young guys.

    -Pineda

    -Ober

    -Ryan

    -Dobnak

    -Balazovic, Winder, Strotman, Sands

    -Balazovic, Winder, Strotman, Sands

    I hate a six man rotation but they have to figure out who they have in regards to their young arms. 2020 forces them to think differently about developing. 

    Take the money and sign Story in an attempt to outscore teams as we see what we have. 

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    It looks to me that the Twins are planning to follow the Rays and Guardians approach and fill their pipeline with young pitchers, keep them until they get too expensive (unless they can get a team friendly early long term contract in place) and then trade them (like Berrios) and replace them with the next guys coming up.  So, I would be surprised if they trade for a Montas type as I doubt they would pay them what is necessary to keep them in two years.  On the other hand, Odo and Pineda I could see them signing on one year deals with an option, and I could see them signing Rodon IF he is healthy and he would agree to a one year deal.  Relying on Bundy makes no sense as he is simply a flyer, and both Ober and Ryan have not been around the league enough for us to see if they are for real, so this year will be big for them.  Given all this, I think they will try to field a decent rotation with one year guys, and will try to bring up a couple of the young guys to see what they can do.  If they surprise, they might add at the deadline, bu I think they are gearing up for 23 and 24.  

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    On 2/18/2022 at 7:04 PM, ashbury said:

    Filling out the rotation to have exactly 5 starters in no way fixes anything for a long season.  We are in a world of hurt.

    Having followed this team for 20 years, this would seem to be the usual state, with but a few brief exceptions.

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    13 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

    The choice is simple. 

    A. Commit to the young starters - Right now - All of them. 

    B.  Fill up the rotation with Odorizzi, Bundy, Happ, Shoemaker, Pineda types forever more. 

     

    why not a mix of the two?

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    10 hours ago, cHawk said:

    why not a mix of the two?

    When I stand at the sink. If I just turn on the hot water tap... it is usually too hot. If I just turn on the cold water tap... it is usually too cold. It isn't the right temperature until you starting combining them. 

    A mix of the two is going to be required because you need to draw water from all taps. 

    However, that hasn't been happening. It has been crafty vet after crafty vet.

    I'm pro mix, I don't have a problem with the crafty vet but I have a problem with letting the crafty vet kill us when they are not as crafty as advertised. 

    The kid can be sent down, the vet typically can't be sent down. It doesn't seem to matter who the GM is... When we sign those lower priced crafty veterans to fill out the rotation, those lower priced crafty veterans are given every opportunity to struggle in the process of re-finding that craft. 

    Happ and Shoemaker were terrible and got way too many starts last year, helping sink the team in the process, resulting in meaningless baseball in September and a delayed discovery of Bailey Ober.

    In 2019, Martin Perez was inconsistent to put it kindly and remained in the rotation all year at the expense of Randy Dobnak getting those starts. Come playoff time, they decide that Martin Perez was indeed not the guy and they hand the ball to Randy Dobnak in October but not in August. 

    In 2018... Oh boy 2018. The year we lost Nick Anderson for Matt Belisle. Yeah... I've jumped off the cause and effect cliff but I directly tie the loss of Nick Anderson in the off season to Matt Belisle. The team was out of contention. Nick Anderson was striking out two batters an inning in Rochester, he was an upcoming 40 man roster decision and THEY SIGNED BELISLE to help them in a lost season keeping Anderson in Rochester. Not being allowed to strike out two batters an inning in Minnesota led to a low level trade to Miami where he struck out two batters an inning and our search for bullpen talent continues with a new crafty vet after crafty vet, year after year. Also, the crafty Logan Morrison being beyond terrible in 2018 and getting his name in the lineup card every day while they waited for him not to be terrible.... which never happened. 

    I'm pro mix... it just hasn't been mixed. I don't have a problem with the signing of Morrison or Happ, I have a problem with the doubling down on Logan Morrison after it becomes obvious that the signing was a mistake.  

    We are not going to sign Garrit Cole.  All of us should realize that by now. We will have to grow our own Garrit Cole.

    Happ and Shoemaker types have for decades blocked the sunlight. 

     

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