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  • The Twins Bullpen Is Set (And You’re Not Going To Love It)


    John  Bonnes

    The Twins made their final bullpen roster moves today, reassigning Nick Tepesch and Alex Wimmers to minor league camp. While the official roster is not set, those moves clarify the likely bullpen. It is not an impressive group.

    Brandon Kintzler will return as a closer. The 32-year-old took over the closer job for the Twins last year when Glen Perkins was injured and saved 17 games. He also struck out 5.8 guys per nine innings pitched, which puts him well below the average strikeout rate of a major league pitcher (which is 8.1 K/9), let alone a major league closer.

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    Free agent signee Matt Belisle will be one of the right-handed setup men. He is 36 years old and this is his fourth team in the last four years. His strikeout rate last year was 6.8 K/9. He and Kintzler have been effective, but It is safe to posit that on many teams, they would be trusted to be seventh inning setup men, at best. Indeed, that was their role on their teams the year before they joined the Twins.

    The other right-handed setup men have a little more upside, but fewer results. Ryan Pressly is 28 years old and put up an average strikeout rate (8.0 K/9) and showed added velocity during spring training. Michael Tonkin is even younger (27 years old) and had an even higher strikeout rate (10.0 K/9), but was homer-prone last year (13 HR in 71.1 IP) and again in spring training (3 HR in 12.1 IP). He had a poor spring training and it is likely that being out of options (which means the Twins could lose him if he didn’t make the roster) is why he made the roster.

    The left-handed relievers have a similar "veteran/youngster" profile as the right-handers. The veteran is Craig Breslow, a 36-year-old who the Twins signed on a minor-league deal this offseason. The “youngster” is 26-year-old Taylor Rogers who is truly tough on lefties (547 OPS against in 2016) but is unlikely to expand that role due to his troubles against right-handed hitters (811 OPS against in 2016).

    Finally, the swingman will be 25-year-old Justin Haley, who is also likely on the roster due to his status as a Rule 5 pick. If he did not make the roster, the Twins would need to return him to the Red Sox.

    It’s not difficult to justify each of these players having a spot in a major league bullpen. And with the exception of the decision to demote JT Chargois, it’s probably the best group that could come north with the team. But this is a group of back-of-the-bullpen talents, some of which are going to be saddled with high-leverage bullpen roles.

    Twins manager Paul Molitor seems to understand this. “I think we’re going to have to do some mixing and matching towards the end,” said Molitor last week, “with Kintzler on the backside, so, we’ll see how it goes.”

    There is a scenario where this bullpen is successful. “My hope is that between the experience and the talent - some still developing - that it’s going to be better,” said Molitor. But there are a lot of scenarios where the opposite is true and the lack of tools that are at Molitor’s discretion is an organizational problem.

    The one thing a bad team should be able to do is find good relief arms; they have all the advantages in that area. They have the first pick in waivers. They have innings to invest. They have opportunities for under-the-radar free agents. They have higher draft picks. They can trade veterans for younger, still developing arms. The advantages go on and on. That the Twins have utterly failed in this area after six years of futility is the most damning indictment of the Terry Ryan front office.

    But just so we’re clear, the new leadership has not garnered immediate results either. The biggest change so far is adding the journeyman reliever Belisle. There were no obvious diamonds in the rough discovered in spring training this year that provide hope that 2017 will be any better than the previous six years.

    We'll see how it goes. The tension that Twins fans will feel at the end of ballgames is, for now, the same as the tension fans of the other 29 teams feel as their bullpen tries to nail down a win. But the feeling today - of skepticism after six years of cringing - is uniquely their own.

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    And to think. Guys like Andrew Miller and Dellin Betances were failed starters.

     

    I will throw down a bet on Tonkin at 30-1 to lead the team in saves by the end of 2017. He misses more bats than other guys in the bullpen (including Pressly and especially Kintzler) and with a new catcher and data-driven approach to pitching, maybe Tonkin has been a good pitcher all along.

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    And to add to this, they have nobody capable of filling the closer role behind him. I don't want to see Belisle or Breslow in save situations and I don't think Molly is ready to trust Pressly or any of the other younglings.

     

    Feels a lot like the Jepsen situation last season. Just because he pitched really well last year doesn't guarantee the fact that he will this time around...

     

    Ironically, Tonkin may be the best bet after Kintzler.

     

    And yeah, I was trying to be nice and not trigger any PTSD with a Jepsen mention....

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    Sadly, probably the LEAST excited I have been about the start of a Twins season for a long time....Much of having to do with trotting out a lot of the same faces that brought them 100+ losses last year

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    And to add to this, they have nobody capable of filling the closer role behind him. I don't want to see Belisle or Breslow in save situations and I don't think Molly is ready to trust Pressly or any of the other younglings.

     

    Feels a lot like the Jepsen situation last season. Just because he pitched really well last year doesn't guarantee the fact that he will this time around...

    Of the players currently on the major league roster I think Pressly would be the most likely to succeed as closer if and when Kintzler is injured or gone. But I'm guessing that Chargois is who the Twins higher-ups envision as the next closer. I think he was sent to Rochester so he can close full time and get more experience doing that before being thrust into that role in the majors.

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    No worries.... at least our starting pitching is....er...ah....

     

    We'll you just wait until Jay gets up to the MLB THEN our bullpen will be....er...ah...umm

     

    What's cookin' for the 2018 Draft!

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    I get where you're coming from spy... Frankly I'm frustrated that this is all they have to work with. 

    Honestly, I don't envy the new FO at all. They're new with the organization and are probably still trying to find their footing both within and without the organization.

     

    This is going to be tough for both management and fans. It's a wait and see. Although, anything less than a train wreck is probably a successful season.

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    Justin Haley looks like a bright spot this spring. He's big, strong, young, works fast, downward plane, stays around the zone, live arm. If Haley takes the long man role from Tonkin, that allows Tonkin to work more as a setup guy, keeping his arm fresher. 

     

    Otherwise, the only reason I see to start the season with a back end of older veterans is if the Twins aim to replace them in coming months with guys like Chargois, Wimmers and whoever gets hot in Rochester or Chattanooga. 

     

    Speaking of AAA and AA, take a look at their pitching rosters. Whew, there's a lot of young arm talent bubbling up! I didn't realize all these guys were now in AA...

    Seven youngest pitchers on the Lookouts:

     

    Fernando Romero 
    Kohl Stewart 
    Stephen Gonsalves
    Randy Rosario
    Tyler Jay
    Felix Jorge
    Nick Burdi

     

    That's half a future pitching staff right there. Then combine that with these guys...

    Four youngest pitchers on the Red Wings:

     

    Jose Berrios 
    Jake Reed
    Mason Melotakis
    J.T. Chargois

     

    The future looks pretty good.

    The FO should have brought the best relievers they have in AA/AAA north and dumped everyone else in the bullpen.  The one's that perform you keep, the others that don't send them down.  I've never understood the whole bullpen mess the Twins find themselves in. With some of the talent we have in AA/AAA why we don't promote more of them is insane.  These are relief pitchers!  All we ask is to throw 1 inning well!

     

    Out of 15 relievers in the minor league system you would think 3 (20%) of them could pitch well or at least better than the crew they are bringing north right now.  It could also build some great chemistry within that group of players.  So much of this game is mental and if you have a bunch of fearless 20 somethings throwing everyday it could really build into something special.  

     

    I guess I'll just ask my doctor to up my prescription of high blood pressure pills to get me through the end of these games.

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    Sadly, probably the LEAST excited I have been about the start of a Twins season for a long time....Much of having to do with trotting out a lot of the same faces that brought them 100+ losses last year

     

    You get to watch Byron Buxton play baseball every day. That alone has me very excited.

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    The FO should have brought the best relievers they have in AA/AAA north and dumped everyone else in the bullpen.  The one's that perform you keep, the others that don't send them down.  I've never understood the whole bullpen mess the Twins find themselves in. With some of the talent we have in AA/AAA why we don't promote more of them is insane.  These are relief pitchers!  All we ask is to throw 1 inning well!

     

    Out of 15 relievers in the minor league system you would think 3 (20%) of them could pitch well or at least better than the crew they are bringing north right now.  It could also build some great chemistry within that group of players.  So much of this game is mental and if you have a bunch of fearless 20 somethings throwing everyday it could really build into something special.  

     

    I guess I'll just ask my doctor to up my prescription of high blood pressure pills to get me through the end of these games.

    Bear in mind also that the minor league pitchers I listed were the YOUNGEST on the AA and AAA pitching staffs. Assuming some of the older minor leaguers are more than filler, some of those guys...

     

    AAA older guys:
    Yohan Pino P R R 6' 2" 190 12-26-1983 Active No
    Nick Greenwood P R L 6' 1" 180 09-28-1987 Active No
    Buddy Boshers P L L 6' 3" 205 05-09-1988 Active Yes
    Nick Tepesch P R R 6' 4" 240 10-12-1988 Active No
    Alex Wimmers P L R 6' 2" 215 11-01-1988 Active No
    Seth Rosin P R R 6' 6" 265 11-02-1988 Active No
    Matt Tracy P L L 6' 3" 215 11-26-1988 Active No
    Drew Rucinski P R R 6' 2" 190 12-30-1988 Active No
    Nik Turley P L L 6' 4" 195 09-11-1989 Active No
    David Hurlbut P L L 6' 3" 221 11-24-1989 Active No
    Jason Wheeler P L L 6' 6" 255 10-27-1990 Active No

     

    and AA older guys:

    Raul Fernandez P R R 6' 2" 180 06-22-1990 Active No
    Luke Bard P R R 6' 3" 202 11-13-1990 Active No
    Zack Jones P R R 6' 1" 195 12-04-1990 Active No
    Trevor Hildenberger P R R 6' 2" 211 12-15-1990 Active No
    Todd Van Steensel P R R 6' 1" 215 01-14-1991 Active No
    Mason Melotakis P R L 6' 2" 220 06-28-1991 Active Yes
    Brandon Peterson P R R 6' 1" 190 09-23-1991 Active No
    Ryan Eades P R R 6' 2" 200 12-15-1991 Active No
    Paul LeBlanc P R R 6' 4" 185 03-07-1992 Active No
    Aaron Slegers P R R 6' 10" 245 09-04-1992 Active No

     

    ...some of these guys could be pitching on the Twins instead of the 30-something retreads the team is using now. 

     

    What are they, chopped liver? Cubed beef? Beef chuck for chili? Chicken fried steak? Chorizo? Bacon ends? Dang, now I'm getting hungry...

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    So, Tonkin and Haley are in.  Seems like being on the 40 man roster was something of an influence on the decision.  Tonkin is 27.  Last opportunity?  Let's see if the Twins use him in a Juan Berenguer - type role.  He just never seemed to be a real "pressure guy" to me.  Haley, I don't know anything about him, other than the afore mentioned 40 man roster.

     

    So, what happens to Tyler Jay now?  And it sounds like they'll need to clear space for both ByungHo Park [definitely] and Chris Gimenez [maybe, maybe not].

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    As truly depressing as this bullpen is I am curious about the possibility that Falvey might be shielding some of the younger arms from Molitors bullpen ineptness? I know he didn't have much to work with last year but so often I was left scratching my head at they way he used the bullpen. Could Falvey be holding back the best young arms until he has the chance to fire Molitor? I'm trying to be hopeful here because this sure looks like a bullpen that Ryan would put together.

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    Re: molitor, it still blows my mind that the new GM and FO were FORCED to retain a manager who is coming off a 103 loss season and has done zero as a major league manager to make us think he is even average or good.

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    I know he was roughed up and the spring training numbers were awful... still why not give Chargois a shot?

    Instead of being the last man in the Twins' pen I think it's better to have him close full time at Rochester. He'll get more meaningful work in that way.

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    Looking at that bullpen and thinking that maybe I should rethink my personal projections that the Twins will win 75-80 games.

     

    Boy I sure hope the new regime is just taking stock of the organization, etc., because from here it sure doesn't look like they're doing things all that differently from the previous one. 

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    Patience guys. I think the Twins are going with the best arms and most experienced guys right now in order to avoid another 0-9 start. That set the tone for a very bad season. The guys in AAA/AA are a quick phone call away. Patience.

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    As truly depressing as this bullpen is I am curious about the possibility that Falvey might be shielding some of the younger arms from Molitors bullpen ineptness? I know he didn't have much to work with last year but so often I was left scratching my head at they way he used the bullpen. Could Falvey be holding back the best young arms until he has the chance to fire Molitor? I'm trying to be hopeful here because this sure looks like a bullpen that Ryan would put together.

     

    the "young" arms are 25-27 years old. They are literally losing velocity today.

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    Patience guys. I think the Twins are going with the best arms and most experienced guys right now in order to avoid another 0-9 start. That set the tone for a very bad season. The guys in AAA/AA are a quick phone call away. Patience.

    This pitching staff could bury us so fast, it is not funny.  I sort of agree these are Molitor's guys and if they fail, Falvey and Levine can go to Jim Pohlad and tell him that they gave Molitor his guys and he failed.  If this is a plan it is a good one.  If the plan is to compete , this plan looks doomed to failure.

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    This pitching staff could bury us so fast, it is not funny.  I sort of agree these are Molitor's guys and if they fail, Falvey and Levine can go to Jim Pohlad and tell him that they gave Molitor his guys and he failed.  If this is a plan it is a good one.  If the plan is to compete , this plan looks doomed to failure.

     

    No chance Molitor wants Haley. Beyond that, not really many other options.

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    Wow - I better not look up as the sky is clearly falling.....

     

    Poor understanding of where we are at as a team and what are needs were/are in the relieving area. We need arms that can throw strikes and has the experience of getting guys out. Which  is  what we have. Not sexy but hopefully effective.

     

    Take a look at the roster of teams that are successful and you will see veteran bullpen guys that have been there and done that. Sprinkle in a couple of guys that are up and coming and put in low leverage positions and that is what we have.

     

    I am fine with this area and think the club did what was best to try to actually win games.... that is the point of playing isn't it?

     

     

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