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    Ted Schwerzler

    The Minnesota Twins are now well underway into creating their offseason blueprint. Coming off a season in which the greatest turnaround in MLB history took place, it’s only fair to wonder what’s next for this organization. The evaluation period for Derek Falvey and Thad Levine is over, which means it’s time for them to make their mark.

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    Given the landscape of the 40 man roster, the Twins have opportunity to add some real pieces to a very strong nucleus. The lineup remains young and on the rise, while the pitching staff has a couple of holdovers worth penciling in going forward. To challenge the Indians in the division, and aim for a deeper playoff run, some hired guns will need to be acquired. So, where do we start?

    Pitching is, has been, and will continue to be the most integral part of a big league baseball team. Minnesota has reliable starters in the form of Ervin Santana and Jose Berrios. Kyle Gibson remains an uncertainty, and there’s a group of about five or so pitchers that could round out the back end. With a shot at either Jake Arrieta or Yu Darvish remaining a pipe dream, the organization likely will need to add two middle-of-the-road types that present some upside.

    Enter Lance Lynn.

    Coming off a three-year, $22 million deal with the St. Louis Cardinals, Lynn enters free agency for the first time in his career. Drafted in the first round back in 2008 by the Cardinals, he’s played for one organization throughout his entire career. In just shy of 1,000 MLB innings, he owns a 3.38 ERA across 161 starts.

    After missing the 2016 season due to Tommy John surgery, Lynn led the league in starts during 2017. Taking the ball 33 times for the Cardinals, he owned an 11-8 record with a 3.43 ERA. With a 7.4 K/9 and a 3.8 BB/9, it wasn’t far off from his career norms, but Lynn did take a slight step backwards.

    A relatively balanced pitcher, Lynn has generated groundballs 44.3% of the time over his career, and was at 44% in 2017. Homers have never been a big issue for him, despite the 27 (14.2% HR/FB) being a career worst this season. There isn’t a whole ton of hard contact generated off of him, and he makes things work with a fastball that tops out around 93 mph. The repertoire is mostly sinkers, with the occasional changeup and curveball filtered in.

    Heading into his age 31 season, Lynn will be another year removed from his Tommy John procedure, and will likely be looking to capitalize on his lone big payday opportunity. I’d guess a deal somewhere in the four to five year range, with an average annual value between $12-15 million makes a good amount of sense.

    Looking at what he’s done thus far in his career, it’s hard not to compare Lynn’s results to that of another Twins starter. While he hands out walks a bit more often, both the strikeout numbers and ERA compare favorably to that of Minnesota ace Ervin Santana. Bringing Lynn into the fold would give the Twins another very solid option every fifth day, and create a true trio of quality starters at the top of the rotation.

    Over the course of his six year career, Lynn has been a model of consistency. Everything from in depth numbers like chase rate and swinging strike percentages, to surface numbers like strikeouts and ERA have held strong. Going into his more veteran years, that's a good indicator of a relatively safe bet.

    When Derek Falvey and Thad Levine set out to begin offering free agent contracts this offseason, pitching likely will be at the top of the priority list, and Lance Lynn could be option 1. Instead of building a rotation full of lights out aces, which is simply both difficult and incredibly expensive, the Twins can add quality while increasing the water level of the group as a whole. Look for another pitcher to be targeted in this space next week.

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    The point is that Lynn won't help the team much, so it doesn't make sense to pay him $90M to get one year when you hope he'll be a decent #4 (Berrios, Santana and trade deadline ace) and a few more years when you hope he doesn't decline too much. The point is NOT a general opposition to spending.

     

    I guess if you think he's a 5 after next year, agreed, but why would you think that?

     

    and, the post said basically not to add anyone, to wait and see what happens. did I read the post wrong?

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    Per this article, Lynn is looking for 5 years, 100 million plus.  That is why he is available, the Cardinals actually need some stability to their rotation, but don't want to pay that much.  My guess is, the Twins won't either.  Several teams will probably wait for that price to come down, the question is will some big-spending team take the risk? 

     

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/quick-hits-derrick-goold-on-the-cardinals/collection_0d4da0e4-8e8c-5f2e-9bbb-197bb11d5f65.html

     

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    Per this article, Lynn is looking for 5 years, 100 million plus.  That is why he is available, the Cardinals actually need some stability to their rotation, but don't want to pay that much.  My guess is, the Twins won't either.  Several teams will probably wait for that price to come down, the question is will some big-spending team take the risk? 

     

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/quick-hits-derrick-goold-on-the-cardinals/collection_0d4da0e4-8e8c-5f2e-9bbb-197bb11d5f65.html

     

    If he's looking for a Jordan Zimmerman-type contract like the article you posted says, I'm passing on Lynn. 

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    this is an off hand comment in a chat, but last year his predictions were decent....(he earlier predicted the Arrieta numbers)....

     

    Replacement Level
    12:39 If Arrieta is 4/100, what does Darvish get?  More years or just more per year?

     

    Dave Cameron
    12:39 Both
    12:40 I'd put Darvish at 7/175.

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    Lance Lynn may have led the league in starts, but he hasn't surpassed 200 innings since 2014. That's not good for a team that has a lackluster bullpen. Twins need durability.

     

    That’s pretty meaningless given he missed all of 2016 after TJ surgery.  He had 186 this year which is pretty darn good the first year after TJ.  So, you are really saying don’t sign him because he only completed 175 innings in 2015 which I would guess was partly due to the injury that required TJ.

     

    My only concern is that is FIP did not look so good last year but this guy has been a very solid SP.   I would be thrilled to have him if he pitches to his career numbers.

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    Per this article, Lynn is looking for 5 years, 100 million plus.  That is why he is available, the Cardinals actually need some stability to their rotation, but don't want to pay that much.  My guess is, the Twins won't either.  Several teams will probably wait for that price to come down, the question is will some big-spending team take the risk? 

     

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/quick-hits-derrick-goold-on-the-cardinals/collection_0d4da0e4-8e8c-5f2e-9bbb-197bb11d5f65.html

     

    There have been quite a few guys who wanted X and got much less than X.   Who knows with the shortage of SP but I don't think he gets that kind of money.  4 and 80 would not surprise me but 5 and 100 would. 

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    Lance Lynn had a FIP close to 5.00.  In the NL. After not pitching in the majors in 2016.

     

    Hard pass.

     

    so, pass on anyone the first year back from TJ? That cuts a lot of guys off your list every year.....

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    so, pass on anyone the first year back from TJ? That cuts a lot of guys off your list every year.....

     

    Next year will be his 2nd year after TJ.   His ERA first year back was better than every SP we had last year other than Santana.  Granted, he is in the NL and his FIP was high.  The question is will he get back to the level of performance he had pre TJ.  That guy would be a very welcome addition.  Our win total should go up with a more experienced core and Santana | Berrios | Lynn | Mejia & Gibson.  Hopefully, Gonsalves should be ready.  Slegers | Littell & Enns provide depth.

     

    Right now the list of guys that can help us is very short and the list of teams who wnat them is much longer.  Sure we would like to have Darvish or Arrieta but that would require we outbid several teams with considerably more revenue that are markets which also provide greater endorsement potential.  History would suggest that is not going to happen regardless of it's the Twins or a similar market.   So, let's get Cobb or Lynn.  They are the Santana's of this free agent class.

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    Next year will be his 2nd year after TJ.   His ERA first year back was better than every SP we had last year other than Santana.  Granted, he is in the NL and his FIP was high.  The question is will he get back to the level of performance he had pre TJ.  That guy would be a very welcome addition.  Our win total should go up with a more experienced core and Santana | Berrios | Lynn | Mejia & Gibson.  Hopefully, Gonsalves should be ready.  Slegers | Littell & Enns provide depth.

     

    Right now the list of guys that can help us is very short and the list of teams who wnat them is much longer.  Sure we would like to have Darvish or Arrieta but that would require we outbid several teams with considerably more revenue that are markets which also provide greater endorsement potential.  History would suggest that is not going to happen regardless of it's the Twins or a similar market.   So, let's get Cobb or Lynn.  They are the Santana's of this free agent class.

     

    I'm with you. I was commenting on Jimmers stance that his results were bad, and I was saying that might have been due to first year back from TJ.....

     

    And, I can't see the Twins winning the Darvish or Arrieta sweepstakes.

     

    And, I agree, the list of who can help is short.

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    I'm with you. I was commenting on Jimmers stance that his results were bad, and I was saying that might have been due to first year back from TJ.....

     

    And, I can't see the Twins winning the Darvish or Arrieta sweepstakes.

     

    And, I agree, the list of who can help is short.

     

    I knew where you were coming from, Mike.  The big picture is he was coming of TJ.  I am just not sure I agree his results were bad.  His ERA was about the same as Santana's.  I never saw a single inning he pitched but would we rather have a good FIP or ERA?  The FIP is cause for concern but how was his "stuff"?  Was his velocity back to normal by the end of the season?  Concluding he was bad because his FIP was high seems to be a rush to judgment. 

     

    Falvey and Levine have a good track record where these assessments are concerned.  I will feel pretty good about the off-season if they sign Cobb or conclude Lynn is likely to pitch like he did pre TJ and sign him.  Add one or two BP pieces along with all of the BP prospects and next year should be the best team we have had in a long time.

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    I'll say what I said before, but with a guy like Lynn, I'm looking more at the trends as the season progressed, not the overall ERA/FIP. He's going to struggle his first year back. I want to a see a trend moving in the right direction if I'm going to spend money on a long term deal.

     

    That said, Lynn, if he's not getting good offers, might be a guy you can do a 1 year deal with. Given the arms sitting in AA/AAA next season (not to mention Trevor May), that might not be a bad option either as it's not unreasonable to see enough of guys like Gonsalves and Romero in 2018 to indicate that they are worth putting in the rotation in 2019.

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    I'll say what I said before, but with a guy like Lynn, I'm looking more at the trends as the season progressed, not the overall ERA/FIP. He's going to struggle his first year back. I want to a see a trend moving in the right direction if I'm going to spend money on a long term deal.

     

    That said, Lynn, if he's not getting good offers, might be a guy you can do a 1 year deal with. Given the arms sitting in AA/AAA next season (not to mention Trevor May), that might not be a bad option either as it's not unreasonable to see enough of guys like Gonsalves and Romero in 2018 to indicate that they are worth putting in the rotation in 2019.

    Looks like Lynn’s first half may have been better than the second. 8.18 K/9 and 3.34 BB/9 vs. 6.43 and 4.29. He did significantly improve his HR/9 rate in the second half, from 1.76 to 0.75.

     

    It also looks like he changed his pitching style last year, relying much more on his slider, which was better than pre-TJ, than his fastball, which was slower.

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    I love this world where no FA is good enough to help this team but the pitching has been awful for ten years.

     

    There should be no reason for our goal to be to have Gibson or Mejia in the rotation next year.

     

    That leaves us a declining Erv and an improving Berrios and an unusable bullpen.

    this. The Twins need to add two starters, one should be aim high “Ace” type and one should be quality mid rotation type. Cobb/Darvish, Santana, Berrios, Lynn, Mejia/Gibson would a really nice rotation
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    this. The Twins need to add two starters, one should be aim high “Ace” type and one should be quality mid rotation type. Cobb/Darvish, Santana, Berrios, Lynn, Mejia/Gibson would a really nice rotation

    I think one of the starters in this scenario would have to be acquired via trade with a salary <10M/yr. I can't see the Twins adding 35-50M/yr in salary for two pitchers.

     

    And as much as I want to say that Darvish should be signed, it will likely cost 30m/yr for 5-6 years to get it done. I certainly won't complain if that happens but I consider it very unlikely and the Twins should have a plan B that is essentially plan A for the offseason.

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    no one pitches that many innings any more. All of 15 pitchers did that in 2017. I think you need to re-think your standards.

    His K rate is going down, walk rate is going up, ERA is going up, still not interested.  

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