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    Nick Nelson

    On Sunday, the Minnesota Twins played their 75th game of the season. Quickly closing in on the halfway point, they are on pace for a 52-110 record. Even if the Twins manage to play .500 ball the rest of the way, they'll finish with 94 losses.

    It goes without saying that the remainder of this season needs to be focused on 2017 and beyond. Here are five steps that the Twins can take to better prepare themselves for the future.

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    1) Install Miguel Sano at third base.

    We've discussed this quite a bit around here, so I won't dwell. It is becoming increasingly clear that Sano should be in the team's plans as a third baseman and Trevor Plouffe – who is enduring a rough campaign – should not. Make the necessary moves to open up the hot corner for Sano, allowing him to regain his comfort level there ahead of next season when the games start mattering again.

    This, in turn, would keep right field open for Max Kepler, who has played well enough to stick.

    2) Roll with Eddie Rosario.

    Rosario was undoubtedly deserving of the demotion he received five weeks ago, but he has responded in a big way. The outfielder has multiple hits in 14 of the 35 games he has played in Rochester, reining in his K-rate and getting back to smashing hard liners all over the field.

    He still isn't walking much, and never will. But even with his ultra-aggressive ways, Rosario can be an impact player and he showed that last year. Bring him up and let him play his game over the final months. Maybe he proves himself to be the clear choice for left field next year. Maybe he builds some trade value for the offseason. Or maybe he reinforces the notion that he's going to be a fourth outfielder at best.

    Incidentally, Rosario has been playing center field regularly in Triple-A, which might put him in line to bump Byron Buxton, who still appears unprepared for MLB pitching.

    3) Return Trevor May to a starting role.

    Unlike many, I was not opposed to using May in a relief role this year. I felt he brought a much-needed strikeout mentality to the bullpen and could be a pivotal piece at the back end if the team contended.

    The most important factor, though, was that this decision was reversible if things didn't play out well.

    It is now safe to say that things have not played out well. During his first month in the bullpen, May was very much the dominating force we hoped he would be. Unfortunately, the fact that he was often Paul Molitor's only trustworthy option led to overuse. May appeared in 17 of Minnesota's first 32 games, seemingly throwing with max effort each time out.

    It's not clear that his unraveling performance and subsequent back issues were related to his usage, but given the fact that May had been operating under a starter's routine for essentially his entire career up until last July, that seems very plausible. Even looking past that element, the Twins are suddenly in need of quality starters given the dire state of their rotation, and May deserves a shot to bolster that unit.

    May made his first rehab appearance in Rochester as a reliever yesterday, which isn't the most promising sign, but hopefully the plan changes.

    4) Recall John Ryan Murphy.

    Murphy's numbers in Triple-A are far from great: he's batting .216 with a .599 OPS, though he's been trending up. The need to get him back on the roster has more to do with the circumstances surrounding him.

    This team has no real answers behind the plate after this year. Kurt Suzuki will be a free agent and likely won't return. Juan Centeno is has been fine as an interim backup but he's not a big-league player. The organization's prospects are not close. Right now, Murphy is the only credible option for 2017, whether we're talking starter or backup.

    We'll have a better idea of his true credibility if he gets a couple hundred plate appearances in the second half.

    5) Let J.T. Chargois loose in the bullpen.

    There's no way around it: Chargois' MLB debut was a complete and total disaster. In his lone big-league appearance on June 11th, he faced eight hitters and was charged with five earned runs on three hits, two walks and an HBP. He was understandably optioned immediately afterward, forced to sit on a 67.50 major-league ERA until he gets another chance.

    That chance ought to come soon. The level of dominance that the fireballing righty continues to display in Triple-A makes it hard to justify keeping him there. Chargois has a 0.48 ERA and 25-to-4 K/BB ratio in 18 2/3 innings with Rochester, and hasn't allowed a run or issued a walk in five appearances since being sent back down.

    Given the major question marks that the Twins now face at the closer spot, they need to begin auditioning potential options quickly. Presently, Chargois arguably has a better case than anyone else in the organization, but he needs to show he can get big-league hitters out. Call him up and lengthen the leash.

    What would be your top priorities for the second half of the season?

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      On 6/27/2016 at 11:53 AM, Platoon said:

    Leaving him in the pen is silly. He has made it clear, crystal, that the lack of days off make it physically difficult for him. He's been down twice already for that reason. While I realize ho difficult it is to break into this stellar rotation, they need to figure out something,

    He needs to pitch some innings and build up arm strength before they can start him.  

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    Nick,

     

    I like all five of your steps!!

     

    6) I would also add trade Nolasco (to the Dodgers?) so Berrios could be brought up.

    7) Trade E. Santana to open up another starting spot so some of the other minor league starters can get some innings, they need to see what they have - but only trade him if they can get good value in return, I still think Santana can provide some stable innings next year.

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      On 6/27/2016 at 4:07 AM, GMinTraining said:

    Buxton has played his best ball when Walker was in the outfield with him.  Haha

     

    Just joking but true.

    I know this is the part of the "find anything positive about Adam Brett Walker" joke/meme, but I'm not sure the evidence supports it anyway.  Buxton has played both with and without Walker at only two levels:

     

    A+ without Walker (2013): 155 wRC+

    A+ with Walker (2014): 106 wRC+

     

    AAA without Walker (2015): 190 wRC+

    AAA with Walker (2016): 189 wRC+

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    There seems to be a lot of people in this, and other threads that want to trade Ervin Santana.  I'm not a big fan of his, and understand he might have some value (at least compared to the Plouffe's, Suzukis, etc.).. but if he is traded, who in the hell is in the 2017 rotation? 

     

    If Terry Ryan is back (shudders at the thought)

     

    Berrios

    Gibson

    Duffey - Not exactly someone I want to write in stone, but compared to the other options, sure. 

    Hughes? Maybe I guess, but hopefully not

    Nolasco? - No

    May? No. This staff has no interest in him starting

    Meyer? No

    Pat Dean, Jason Wheeler?  God I hope not

     

    Are we wanting to trade Santana's last 2 years so TR can overpay another #5 starter this offseason, with 4 years?

     

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      On 6/27/2016 at 6:16 AM, Shane Wahl said:

     

     

     

    Walker would be fun in September.

     

    Walker makes Delmon look like Willie Mays on the field, and Buxton look like Barry Bonds as far as Ks and BBs go at the plate.

    Would be fun to see Walker traded within the division in September... 

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      On 6/27/2016 at 1:44 PM, alarp33 said:

    There seems to be a lot of people in this, and other threads that want to trade Ervin Santana.  I'm not a big fan of his, and understand he might have some value (at least compared to the Plouffe's, Suzukis, etc.).. but if he is traded, who in the hell is in the 2017 rotation? 

     

    If Terry Ryan is back (shudders at the thought)

     

    Berrios

    Gibson

    Duffey - Not exactly someone I want to write in stone, but compared to the other options, sure. 

    Hughes? Maybe I guess, but hopefully not

    Nolasco? - No

    May? No. This staff has no interest in him starting

    Meyer? No

    Pat Dean, Jason Wheeler?  God I hope not

     

    Are we wanting to trade Santana's last 2 years so TR can overpay another #5 starter this offseason, with 4 years?

    Despite how bad their lineup is the pitching staff is way worse and the main reason it doesn't pay to hold on to anybody pushing 30 regardless of the ROI. 5 years into TR's rebuild and they still have the worst staff in baseball. There is a lot of work to do there.....

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      On 6/27/2016 at 1:14 PM, Pardon My Dinger said:

    Does anybody want to see what a Buxton trade could bring in yet? Take the sure thing, maybe? 

    No.  And at his stage of development, nobody should. 

     

    I keep pointing back to the Strib article about the Red Sox letting your players develop:

    http://www.startribune.com/phil-miller-s-sunday-insider-red-sox-show-how-patience-with-prospects-can-be-rewarded/383534181/

     

    This is what the Twins should be doing with Buxton.  I actually got to see Bradley Jr. playing in those days.  My god he was awful.

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      On 6/27/2016 at 1:44 PM, alarp33 said:

    There seems to be a lot of people in this, and other threads that want to trade Ervin Santana.  I'm not a big fan of his, and understand he might have some value (at least compared to the Plouffe's, Suzukis, etc.).. but if he is traded, who in the hell is in the 2017 rotation? 

     

    If Terry Ryan is back (shudders at the thought)

     

    Berrios

    Gibson

    Duffey - Not exactly someone I want to write in stone, but compared to the other options, sure. 

    Hughes? Maybe I guess, but hopefully not

    Nolasco? - No

    May? No. This staff has no interest in him starting

    Meyer? No

    Pat Dean, Jason Wheeler?  God I hope not

     

    Are we wanting to trade Santana's last 2 years so TR can overpay another #5 starter this offseason, with 4 years?

    This.

    Posters can complain about Nolasco, Hughes, and Santana all they want--but they need to have 5 in the rotation. We have found that etching names in stone is pointless. Every prospect has his own cheerleader squad but that doesn't make him a fixture on the staff. Basically everyone that gets promoted is soon followed by "whatinhell did people see in this bum?"

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      On 6/27/2016 at 1:14 PM, Pardon My Dinger said:

    Does anybody want to see what a Buxton trade could bring in yet? Take the sure thing, maybe? 

    I'd be interested to find out. But this is Minnesota, where there is an irrational fear that everyone who leaves will develop into a future HOF player. 

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      On 6/27/2016 at 2:54 PM, HitInAPinch said:

    No.  And at his stage of development, nobody should. 

     

    I keep pointing back to the Strib article about the Red Sox letting your players develop:

    http://www.startribune.com/phil-miller-s-sunday-insider-red-sox-show-how-patience-with-prospects-can-be-rewarded/383534181/

     

    This is what the Twins should be doing with Buxton.  I actually got to see Bradley Jr. playing in those days.  My god he was awful.

    I'm not calling Buxton a bust. I'd just be interested if there were a way to know what kind of a haul he could bring back. We have more needs than just CF. 

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      On 6/27/2016 at 12:48 PM, jimmer said:

    Well, in the interview with Pohlad, he said the organization believed the team would be better this year than last and that there was no flaw in that logic.  So yeah, your last sentence applies.

    I would guess you're probably right.  I'm not sure what more TR could really have done without making it look like we were punting after putting together a decent season.  I'm willing to see if he makes any changes in scouting, player development, and rebuilding now that he has an excuse to do so without public backlash.  Time to bring back the Get to Know Em t-shirts maybe...

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      On 6/27/2016 at 2:44 PM, jorgenswest said:

    They have an opportunity to do that in rehab.

    What I was thinking and didn't explain very well was:

     

    People are complaining about him pitching in a relief role in Rochester,

     

    He needs to pitch some innings and build up arm strength before they can start him. 

     

    Whether those starts come in Rochester or Target Field is debatable but to me the process should be like spring training, longer relief outings each time in Rochester, a couple of starts in Rochester, then bring him back up.  Bitching about a relief appearance in Rochester is stupid, at this point he just needs to pitch.

     

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      On 6/27/2016 at 3:23 PM, Pardon My Dinger said:

    I'm not calling Buxton a bust. I'd just be interested if there were a way to know what kind of a haul he could bring back. We have more needs than just CF. 

    Uff da, that's a tough one.  Well, you could market Buxton on prospect status, recent stellar performance at AAA and youth.  Maybe a couple prospects in return?

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      On 6/27/2016 at 4:23 PM, Blackjack said:

    Whether those starts come in Rochester or Target Field is debatable but to me the process should be like spring training, longer relief outings each time in Rochester, a couple of starts in Rochester, then bring him back up.  Bitching about a relief appearance in Rochester is stupid, at this point he just needs to pitch.

    The problem is that May has shown a tendency to go all-out, full bore in shortened relief stints. I heard reports that he was touching 95/96 in yesterday's appearance. I would prefer that he worked less intensely over longer outings.

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    Not sure saying Grossman does not fit into the long term plans makes sense.  While not a flashy player - he is a mature and stable presence in the lineup right now.  He takes walks, can hit with power and is a solid if not stellar defender.  In many respects he is everything Rosario is not.  

     

    I think left-field is Grossman's for the foreseeable future.   With Kepler proving to be a far more consistent and reliable player than either Rosario and Buxton - it appears that the issue is between Eddie and Byron.   Both have a huge upside, but I am beginning to think there may not be room for two young, talented, strikeout prone outfielders on this team.    

     

    I am sure the team still sees Buxton as having the bigger upside between the two. I also think the team is pretty comfortable with Santana as the fourth outfielder.

     

    I would not be surprised to see Rosario wearing a different uniform either this season or next.

     

     

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    I don't see any chance Buxton is traded. I know it's not gold....but he was barely in the top 50 most valued assets on Fangraphs trading value chart, last year.....he's a year older, and has shown that, SO FAR, he can't hit MLB pitching.

     

    I think he's worth a lot less than his upside right now, and I just can't see how he could possibly be dealt for value. Who is going to give up multiple highly regarded prospects for him right now? 

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    Twins could make room in the bullpen by trading Abad. They'd get something in return and it would be a nice flip for Terry Ryan.

     

    All that said, I'd also consider some offseason moves, notably a Brian Dozier trade -- or perhaps by trading Jorge Polanco for another pitching prospect that's nearly major league ready, though I'd prefer a Dozier trade personally. 

     

    Frankly, I think this team needs a major overhaul during the trade deadline and the offseason. That overhaul probably needs to start in the front office. 

     

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    My preference is to keep Santana, but if they get a decent offer, I think they trade him.  I'd prioritize Nolasco for the moment, and possibly Hughes, though I think he's untradeable.

     

    My 2017 rotation would be as follows.  That means Milone and Nolasco aren't around and Hughes is still in the pen (or gone as well).  At least with that one there's young talent taking some lumps, and you'll likely be seeing Gonsalves/Stewart/Romero and company pushing for a spot in AAA at some point next year. 

     

    Gibson

    May

    Berrios

    Santana

    Duffy/Meyer

     

    Rochester/emergency starters:

    Pat Dean/Taylor Rogers

     

    Rotation isn't too exciting, but May, Berrios, and Meyer all have upside.  Duffy has shown he can be decent in stretches, and while he might top out as a 3/4 guy, I'd be fine letting him learn on the job. 

     

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      On 6/27/2016 at 4:23 PM, Blackjack said:

    What I was thinking and didn't explain very well was:

     

    People are complaining about him pitching in a relief role in Rochester,

     

    He needs to pitch some innings and build up arm strength before they can start him. 

     

    Whether those starts come in Rochester or Target Field is debatable but to me the process should be like spring training, longer relief outings each time in Rochester, a couple of starts in Rochester, then bring him back up.  Bitching about a relief appearance in Rochester is stupid, at this point he just needs to pitch.

    I don't think anyone is really complaining just because his first rehab appearance was in relief.

     

    I think people are complaining that there has been no mention of a plan for him to start again this season, which should be a rather obvious objective by now.

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      On 6/27/2016 at 4:52 PM, diehardtwinsfan said:

    My preference is to keep Santana, but if they get a decent offer, I think they trade him.  I'd prioritize Nolasco for the moment, and possibly Hughes, though I think he's untradeable.

     

    My 2017 rotation would be as follows.  That means Milone and Nolasco aren't around and Hughes is still in the pen (or gone as well).  At least with that one there's young talent taking some lumps, and you'll likely be seeing Gonsalves/Stewart/Romero and company pushing for a spot in AAA at some point next year. 

     

    Gibson

    May

    Berrios

    Santana

    Duffy/Meyer

     

    Rochester/emergency starters:

    Pat Dean/Taylor Rogers

     

    Rotation isn't too exciting, but May, Berrios, and Meyer all have upside.  Duffy has shown he can be decent in stretches, and while he might top out as a 3/4 guy, I'd be fine letting him learn on the job. 

    I like how you laid that out.  I'd prefer to hang on to Santana as well, but am not opposed to dealing him.  With the group that you mentioned that are already here or waiting in the wings, it would be nice to have at least one veteran in the group.  Gibson has the years, but Santana has the experience.

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    Pitching, pitching and more pitching. Until that is fixed, and I've seen nothing from Terry in the past that says he can fix it, this team isn't going to be serious playoff team.

    What Terry does best is nibble around the edges with fringe players. This team needs a whole lot more than nibbling around the edges, imo.

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      On 6/27/2016 at 4:34 PM, MileHighTwinsFan said:

    Not sure saying Grossman does not fit into the long term plans makes sense.  While not a flashy player - he is a mature and stable presence in the lineup right now.  He takes walks, can hit with power and is a solid if not stellar defender.  In many respects he is everything Rosario is not.  

     

     

    .196 /.315/.304:

     

    Grossman's slash line the last 2 weeks

     

     .300/.345/.480:

     

    Rosario's slash line the last 2 weeks.

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      On 6/27/2016 at 5:45 PM, Thrylos said:

    .196 /.315/.304:

     

    Grossman's slash line the last 2 weeks

     

     .300/.345/.480:

     

    Rosario's slash line the last 2 weeks.

    I think they brought Buxton back too soon - granted, it was because of an injury, but lets not repeat the mistake. Leave Rosario in AAA for a few more weeks to make sure the 'take good at bats and play smarter' lesson is learned. Plus it gives Grossman a few more weeks to prove whether he was a flash in the pan or a serviceable player.  It was almost too good to be true to think that two other teams had released him yet he was a keeper for the Twins.

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      On 6/27/2016 at 1:44 PM, alarp33 said:

    There seems to be a lot of people in this, and other threads that want to trade Ervin Santana.  I'm not a big fan of his, and understand he might have some value (at least compared to the Plouffe's, Suzukis, etc.).. but if he is traded, who in the hell is in the 2017 rotation? 

     

    If Terry Ryan is back (shudders at the thought)

     

    Berrios

    Gibson

    Duffey - Not exactly someone I want to write in stone, but compared to the other options, sure. 

    Hughes? Maybe I guess, but hopefully not

    Nolasco? - No

    May? No. This staff has no interest in him starting

    Meyer? No

    Pat Dean, Jason Wheeler?  God I hope not

     

    Are we wanting to trade Santana's last 2 years so TR can overpay another #5 starter this offseason, with 4 years?

     

    Why wouldn't the Twins trade Santana if the right offer came along and they could get something of value for him?  He's been busted for PED's, he's 33 and he's only under contract for two more years.  The Twins aren't going to extend him beyond age 35/36.  This team is a 100 loss team with or without him.    

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      On 6/27/2016 at 4:53 PM, spycake said:

    I don't think anyone is really complaining just because his first rehab appearance was in relief.

     

    I think people are complaining that there has been no mention of a plan for him to start again this season, which should be a rather obvious objective by now.

    Not going to bother going back to 3 pages but the impression I got was that people were complaining about him pitching in relief again.

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      On 6/27/2016 at 1:01 AM, Rosterman said:

    Switching out Vargas for Park, just to see if there is some juice in Vargas being a bench player, if nothing more. See if he can produce anything at the major league level. It would increase his value. And, in the meantime, rotate Plouffe, Mauer and Sano between DH, 1B and 3B...thru the All-Star break at least.

    Vargas is hitting .234 with a .776 OPS in AAA this year, so not much to be excited about. I'd rather bring Polanco up, send Park down, and then rotate the DH spot.

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