"Unwritten Rule" Gets Max Kepler Hit By A Pitch

The pitcher should have been ejected. You can't just assault somebody because they hurt your pride. Grow up.

Why should this be considered a "brain cramp" by Cave? Should guys be expected to stand up there in a blowout and just leave the bat on their shoulder?

Especially for a guy like Cave, who's a young player fighting for more playing time, these guys should be up there battling in every at-bat. It's ridiculous that he feels the need to apologize, and it's even more ridiculous that the pitcher still felt the need to drill Kepler. I also hope the Twins don't let this stupid crap escalate any further; make them pay on the scoreboard. Intentional beanballs are for childish losers.

I don't even understand this unwritten rule. Isn't Cave entitled to try for a hit? Should we treat the opposition as anything less than professionals, being paid to do their jobs? So Cave is expected to let a pitcher groove a fastball down the middle? Where does the unwritten rule end? How many runs do you have to be behind at what point in the game? Are we entitled to retaliate now? Do we throw at one of the Rangers' best hitters for no reason?

If only we had Mollie or Dozier to educate our young players . . . .

IMO, it's not okay to throw at anyone there, especially someone who has nothing to do with breaking unwritten rules. But I don't even think it would have been okay to throw at Cave, had he scorched that ball foul on 3-0. Be a professional, and go out and beat the other team with your ability. The best revenge is a life lived well, or something like that . . . .

Cave shouldn't even feel bad. These grown athletes act like school kids. You play to win the game.

Cave is a fringe player and needs all the stat boosts he can get in order to secure a larger pay day. Cave is just practicing capitalism.

Now you've got two guys on base in what is already a blow out. That pitcher sure showed us.

Kep is a boss.

Gee Mr. Pitcher, I'm sorry. I got so excited to actually see a strike I swung and got a base hit off of you. So, at how many runs up does this "rule" kick in? You're supposed to try to win but not by too much, is that it? So the payback for this infraction is you get to drill the next batter. Really? Great, lets risk an injury because someone's pride gets hurt? I think its BS.

The reason this is an unwritten rule is because if you wrote it down, the majority of people would read it and proclaim it a stupid rule. Don't want to give up a hit? Don't throw a hittable pitch. 

I love MLB, but not the pea brains that some big leaguers bring to the game. The pitcher should be thankful Cave swung; it could just as easily have been an out. Interesting he didn’t hit the K-Man until it was 3-0, unless that too was intentional. Too many athletes are too seldom disciplined for their immaturity and ethical failures.

unwritten rules are stupid, period...

Whether you agree with certain unwritten rules or not, and whether those rules are followed "correctly" during certain circumstances, a pitcher should always be fined for throwing at a hitter on purpose. 

If the pitcher does not agree with the fine, then they should have an opportunity to appeal it. However, most of these situations are pretty obvious. 

*If a player is plunked with off-speed stuff, they were not hit on purpose!*

As noted in the game thread, this unwritten rule is derived from a bunch of highly competitive professionals who do this over the course of six month and in many cases have to play each other again the next day/week/month. It's a little professional courtesy of "don't pile on when the game is out of reach" combined with "let's all get through this one without anyone getting hurt". And in baseball (as with many sports), the players/managers have assumed the duty of enforcing these unwritten rules on the field (and one of the reasons for that was so that things stayed on the field).

If you think this is all stupid, you are entitled to your opinion. As with all unwritten rules, they do tend to evolve and change over the years (and new ones will be created) as player's attitudes about the game change. For example, players fraternizing with each other from different teams used to be a non-starter (and at one point crossed from unwritten rule to written rule) and it's completely gone away.

Attitudes towards sportsmanship in this country are changing and evolving and that impacts how people perceive this. there are people who think the concept of sportsmanship is entirely outdated as it applies to professional athletics, because of the professional nature of the game. YMMV on whether that's true or not, or good or not.

There are others who look at baseball's traditions as a way to preserve a cherished view of the past, where the things they liked about baseball's "glory years" are celebrated, including things like unwritten rules, while other aspects are ignored or discarded (racism, drug use, etc.).

I will say some of the comps people have been providing from other sports are a little silly: being up by 8 in the 9th is NOT the equivalent to being up by 10 with 2 minutes left in a basketball game...even in today's homer-happy era.

Part of me likes baseball's unwritten rules because they are often a little dumb. Keeping the sport a little weirder, a little goofy and so on isn't always a bad thing.

As much as I love baseball is equal to the amount I hate baseballs unwritten rules. I disagree entirely with the notion that Jake Cave owes anyone anything. He is a hitter and he got a hit, if you don't like throw better pitches.

I don't believe in throwing at players in any circumstance, it's dangerous and childish. That said I hope the Twins throw inside a lot more than necessary tonight and then throw down a bunt single followed by a steal when they're up by 10.

If the pitcher admitted it I would say throwing a ball at someone at 93 mph should result in assault charges.    Only slightly kidding here.    At a minimum the pitcher should have been kicked out of the game.    No, my opinion wouldn't change at all if it were a Twins pitcher.    Being mad at someone for swinging at a 3-0 is so asinine it is mind boggling.    Not quite as ridiculous as CC throwing at someone cuz they try bunting for a base hit but it is in the same ballpark.    I don't think too many people agreed with Dozier in some of his rants in the past about unwritten rules.    https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/23005962/brian-dozier-take-baseball-unwritten-rules-silly-brilliant-same

IMO showing up another team would be Cave getting said hit and then attempting to steal 2nd base or if you try to stretch it into a double.  In the end your job is to get on base if you are Cave especially when you are trying to stay at the big league level.  Obviously the issue in the 'unwritten rule' is the run differential and the count...if it were 3-2 and he grooves a fastball you swing!  As a huge baseball fan I just don't get it why a team should take offense to a guy swinging 3-0 in this situation.  Yes it is a 7 run lead but guess what...you had 8 innings to do something about it prior to him swinging at a 3-0 pitch.  That is one part of the game that needs to get over itself.  WIN TWINS!

I commented on the game thread so won;t repeat.   I will say I think it should have ended when Cave acknowledged his mistake at first base -  he was either unaware of the rule or didn't realize the count?  CJ Nitkowski on a radio show here in Dallas mentioned today, the Rangers were still shifting on Cave - so he has no problem with Cave swinging on the 3-0 pitch.   If they are still playing full force why can't both teams?   I mean otherwise just have a slaughter rule and call the game.   No one is backing that Kepler should have been hit except Kelley.    Hope he pitches again in the series and Kepler takes him deep.      

re: "there are people who think the concept of sportsmanship is entirely outdated"

Since when is responding with violence to an unknowing violation of some obscure, dubious etiquette rule "sportsmanship"?

True sportsmanship would involve experienced players explaining to their younger teammates how to show respect for their opponents, and if a rookie unintentionally offended someone, having them apologize. Which is exactly what the Twins did.

Sportsmanship is not angrily trying to impose your will on others through violence and intimidation, especially if they meant no harm and/or did nothing wrong.

I don't disagree with much of this, in theory. However, unwritten rule or not, Cave acknowledged it and apologized BEFORE Kepler even came to bat. So, if it were an unwritten rule, and it seemed it was, as Watkins seemed to be telling Cave that, and Cave had already taken responsibility for his 'grievous' behavior, that should have been the end of it. To then throw at the next batter after Cave already tipped his hat in compliance with said unwritten rule, was uncalled for. There was no reason, imo, to retaliate. Honestly, I don't like to see anyone being thrown at because a bad throw can truly injure a player, however, in this case, there seemed to be no reason for it even if you put stock in the unwritten rules. 

Yep. The pitcher is kind of a dumbass here, because you can't demand fidelity to unwritten rules if you ignore them yourself and the whole "hat tip" apology is one of the oldest ones out there.

And of course, traditionally when enforcing an unwritten rule against a teammate of the rule-breaker the pitcher never would throw their best fastball, nor would it ever get near the head. Nor do you wait multiple pitches to do it...are we sure this pitcher doesn't just suck?

I wish we could just move on from the unwritten rule crap; it’s too dang complicated!

I don’t recall anyone talking about this 25 years ago. Why? Because everyone knew the rules and followed them. If you broke a rule, you usually knew it and when it was addressed, everything was sorted on both sides.

Nowadays, I’m convinced that 50% of the boys either have no idea what the rules are or don’t care. But every team seems to have a “designated enforcer” whose job it is to know the rules and inform people when they’ve been broken. But it’s clear that one team’s interpretation of the rules is different than others because there are more and more fights over stupid stuff - the Pirates/Reds brawl a couple weeks ago is case in point. People are different than they were 25 years ago.

The game has changed; these childish rules that don’t allow a guy fighting for his MLB life to swing at strikes need to change as well.

Just think.  Without this breech of the "unwritten rules" we wouldn't be having this robust discussion.  I love baseball 

Just checked the box score of the NYY/Cle game last night - no intentional HBP in the 8th while Cleveland ran up the score with 1 out. Apparently not everyone is keen on the unwritten rules.

re: "there are people who think the concept of sportsmanship is entirely outdated"

 

Since when is responding with violence to an unknowing violation of some obscure, dubious etiquette rule "sportsmanship"?

 

True sportsmanship would involve experienced players explaining to their younger teammates how to show respect for their opponents, and if a rookie unintentionally offended someone, having them apologize. Which is exactly what the Twins did.

 

Sportsmanship is not angrily trying to impose your will on others through violence and intimidation, especially if they meant no harm and/or did nothing wrong.

So your issue is how sportsmanship is enforced in baseball?

Do you agree with the unwritten rule that you don't swing at a 3-0 pitch late in a blowout? And do you believe that's an appropriate display of sportsmanship?

I'm honestly curious what people think on some of this.

Complete embarrassment for Rangers. This is the dumbest notion of an "unwritten rule" I've ever seen on a baseball field. It's less insulting to sit there with the bat on your shoulder while the pitcher continues to miss the zone with an 8-run deficit? 

Competing for 9 innings is not unsportsmanlike, it is being a professional.

David Ortiz once started to walk to 1st base as a pitcher went into his motion on a 3-0 to show up the pitcher. That is much more disrespectful than taking a cut at a ball in the strike zone.

The vindictive fan in me hopes Kepler hits a homer tonight, stands in the box until it lands in the seats, and takes about 3 minutes to round the bases.