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    Matthew Lenz

    In my last article, I analyzed José Berríos’ trade value using recent trades for what impact starters netted their former clubs. Now, I will look at a few teams that might look to bolster their rotation before or at the deadline and specific players the Twins could target.

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    The last article generated some good discourse on this topic and really showed that fans really are split on this topic. Some are wondering if it’s a panic move based on two months of data while others are wondering who would replace Berríos in the rotation if he were traded? In Matthew Taylor’s article, which was the inspiration for my articles on this topic, he is of the ilk that the last two months show the Twins aren’t in that window to compete for a World Series this year or next. He doesn’t believe a complete rebuild is necessary, as the Twins boast one of the best farm systems in baseball, and thinks the window is just shifted to 2023 and beyond. On the other hand, I’ve just lost the faith in Berríos to take that next step to be a frontline starter but, with one-and-a-half years of team control remaining and being on the younger side, I think a team would “pay up” for that potential that many Twins fans thinks he still has. If the Twins were to hold him and look to sign an extension, I’d want it to be no more than $15MM AAV over a two or three years but even the top end of that feels too rich for me. If we were to move on from Berríos this year and think that we will compete in 2022, then there are about a dozen free agents options that I think would sufficiently replace him but that sounds like an article for another day. I think one thing that we need to be reminded of is that this informal series that Matthew and I have created wasn’t just a spur of the moment, “panic” decision.

    To be fair, this sounds more like speculation than an actual report but it comes from a legitimate journalist who’s been tied to Major League Baseball since the early 2000’s. Even if it’s speculation, he’s been through enough seasons and trade deadlines to have an idea on how the trade market could come together in the coming months. In particular, he mentioned the Blue Jays as a potential suitor but I also think the Braves and Yankees are two other teams who have the offense for a postseason run while needing some rotation help, and have the farm system necessary to add an impact starter. Looking at the Twins farm system and young talent already in the Majors, I think the biggest needs for the Twins would be a pitching prospect, ideally left-handed, and/or a prospect who could play third base who can help within the next couple of seasons. Theoretically, the Twins could probably piece together a second base/shortstop/third base puzzle that included Jorge Polanco, Luis Arraez, Nick Gordon, Royce Lewis, and even Keoni Cavaco over the next few seasons but they really don’t  have a true third base prospect in their system. Based on my previous article, I don’t think the Twins will net a top-100 prospect for Berríos alone and would likely need to add another piece to sweeten the deal whether that be cash, a rent-a-reliever (i.e. Hansel Robles or Alex Colomé), or a position player (i.e. Kepler with the emergence of Larnach and Kirilloff). Without further ado, here are the players I would be targeting a Berríos deal.

    Toronto Blue Jays (24-23, 4th in AL East, 39.3% chance to make the playoffs, per FanGraphs)

    The Jays farm system is stacked and they have one of the best offenses in baseball that needs to be supplemented with some pitching help in both their rotation and bullpen. If I were to put together a deal involving Berríos and one of our rent-a-relievers, I would be targeting the following:

    • Simeon Woods-Richardson - RHP prospect known more for his command of the zone than being a power pitcher
    • Jordan Groshans - a SS/3B prospect with a good bat who needs another season or two in the minors
    • Alek Manoah - RHP prospect with a big arm that needs to improve control

    I’m more interested in the top two than Manoah and, of course, he’s coming off a fantastic MLB debut. They might be pressed to move on from Groshans as they don’t have any other future options at third with Vladimir Guerror Jr moving to 1st but, if the Twins are sellers, they’ll have the assets to net him and Woods-Richardson.

    Atlanta Braves (24-25, 2nd in the NL East, 36.1% chance to make the playoffs)

    Like the Blue Jays, the Braves have the offense to contend but really need help in their rotation and bullpen making them a good match if the Twins are sellers. Moreover, they have one of the better farm systems in baseball making it plausible they’d be willing to move things around to make a push in the second half of the season. I would target the following:

    • Braden Shewmake - 2B/SS prospect projects as a good contact hitter with good speed and a good glove, but not great skills.
    • Tucker Davidson - LHP prospect who projects to be good, not great, with a plus fastball but needs to work on improving his offspeed.
    • Kyle Muller - hard throwing LHP prospect with plus pitches but struggles with control which will likely be a deciding factor in how his career plays out.

    As I mentioned earlier, the Twins are chalked full with young middle infield options but when Shewmake was drafted (2019, 1st round) some thought his long-term outlook was at 3rd base, although he’s played exclusively at short in the Braves system. Of the two lefties, which is a need for the Twins, Muller has the higher ceiling while Davidson has the higher floor and has also made two appearances for the Braves over the last two seasons.

    New York Yankees (28-20, 1st in the AL East, 87.0% chance to make the playoffs)

    The Yankees starting rotation has been better than most would have thought but just lost Corey Kluber for at least two months to a shoulder injury, and I don’t think they have the reinforcements that can be relied on in 2021. I would target the following:

    • Luis Medina - hard throwing RHP prospect who really needs to work on control. Probably needs at least one or two more seasons in the minors.

    I didn’t even mention higher ranked RHP prospects like Clarke Schmidt who has already had Tommy John surgery and multiple issues with his elbow, Luis Gil or Deivi Garcia who don’t move the needle for me. On the other hand, Medina would be an intriguing project that has the potential to be better than Berríos but also has the floor where he’s a non-factor. Outside of Jasson “the next Mike Trout” Dominguez, they don’t have the farm system to acquire a big-time arm (i.e. Max Scherzer) midseason, so a mid level starter like Berríos is probably more realistic.

    I wouldn’t be overly concerned with our lack of 3rd base prospects and would be targeting pitchers as the headliner in a trade involving Berríos, as you can never have enough pitching. Furthermore, I think finding a team like the Blue Jays or Braves that need help in the rotation and bullpen could really help a better prospect by creating a bigger package of immediate contributors to potential playoff teams.

    What are your thoughts on some of the names in this article? There are undoubtedly more teams that would be interested in Berríos...do you have a certain team or prospect in mind you’d like to see the Twins acquire?

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    4 hours ago, old nurse said:

    The value in Gray and Quintana were not in the length of contract. The Cubs were coming off a WS win and desperate to contend in the window. Pineda went down and the Yankees needed another starter. Supply and desperation determine the price paid, not the contract. 

    Contract length always influences the cost to trade for the player.  Players like Gray and Quintana have significant value beyond the current year.  That benefit might be in the form of continuing to aid a contending team or the form of trading them if the team suddenly is no longer a contender.  This is hardly a new concept.  Value in this form is discussed frequently during the off-season and trade deadline on a myriad of baseball shows.

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    2 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

    Contract length always influences the cost to trade for the player.  Players like Gray and Quintana have significant value beyond the current year.  That benefit might be in the form of continuing to aid a contending team or the form of trading them if the team suddenly is no longer a contender.  This is hardly a new concept.  Value in this form is discussed frequently during the off-season and trade deadline on a myriad of baseball shows.

    If Pineda is not hurt the Yankees do not make the trade.. Severino and Montgomery were young and upcoming, Tanaka and And Sabathia had longer contracts. With a healthy Pineda there is no need for Gray. He was dumped for peanuts

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    1 hour ago, old nurse said:

    If Pineda is not hurt the Yankees do not make the trade.. Severino and Montgomery were young and upcoming, Tanaka and And Sabathia had longer contracts. With a healthy Pineda there is no need for Gray. He was dumped for peanuts

     

    Do you suppose Gray did not bring much back because he was quite bad in 2018 (4.9 ERA)?  Also, you are arguing value based on the fact they needed a SP.  SO do most teams.  How does that change the value of a player who profiled as Gray did at the time.  Service time matters to value.  Gray and Quintana would not have brought back nearly as much as they did had they been rentals.  How much better are Whitesox as a result of trading Quintana and getting Cease and Jemenez?  Good SP s can bring a good haul which is why we have to listen to trade proposals for Berrios.

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    On 6/1/2021 at 3:04 PM, Major League Ready said:

     

    Do you suppose Gray did not bring much back because he was quite bad in 2018 (4.9 ERA)?  Also, you are arguing value based on the fact they needed a SP.  SO do most teams.  How does that change the value of a player who profiled as Gray did at the time.  Service time matters to value.  Gray and Quintana would not have brought back nearly as much as they did had they been rentals.  How much better are Whitesox as a result of trading Quintana and getting Cease and Jemenez?  Good SP s can bring a good haul which is why we have to listen to trade proposals for Berrios.

    I an stating that a contending team will overpay for the shot to win, Somewhere way back in this piece somebody mentioned Berrios for a top 100 prospect is what could happen by a trade calculator. The calculator is wrong. That was the point.

    Sonny Gray in New York did his best imitation of Josh Becket in Boston. Becket had done his best imitation of Carl Pavano in New York. Pavano was not the first player who went to the big two cities and fell flat.. 

     

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    On 6/1/2021 at 7:08 AM, old nurse said:

    The value in Gray and Quintana were not in the length of contract. The Cubs were coming off a WS win and desperate to contend in the window. Pineda went down and the Yankees needed another starter. Supply and desperation determine the price paid, not the contract. 

    Sonny Gray was also not traded at the trade deadline, he was traded in the offseason.  Unless of course we are talking about Gray's trade TO the Yankees, in which case note that the Yankees then turned around and traded him to someone else.

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    5 hours ago, Dodecahedron said:

    Sonny Gray was also not traded at the trade deadline, he was traded in the offseason.  Unless of course we are talking about Gray's trade TO the Yankees, in which case note that the Yankees then turned around and traded him to someone else.

    I thought it was clear that it was to the Yankees. I will type out the long version next time to remove doubt

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    17 hours ago, old nurse said:

    I thought it was clear that it was to the Yankees. I will type out the long version next time to remove doubt

    Gotcha.  Part of the narrative for Berrios is the years of control.  The Yankees used that to trade Gray a second time.  Did the Yankees get the better deal?  An equivalent deal?

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    16 minutes ago, Dodecahedron said:

    Gotcha.  Part of the narrative for Berrios is the years of control.  The Yankees used that to trade Gray a second time.  Did the Yankees get the better deal?  An equivalent deal?

    Yankees gave up 3 decent prospects to Oakland to get Gray in 2017 -- all 3 were ranked in top 100 overall lists either before or after the 2017 season. Two have moved on to other orgs already but Kaprielian is in Oakland's rotation now.

    Yankees got some value back in the Gray trade to Cincinnati too -- primarily the #38 overall pick in the 2019 draft.

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    If you’re brave enough to scroll through the comments you’ll see how Berrios is viewed from the Mets’ fan base. Shocking I know, every fan values their own prospects like gold. 

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    1 hour ago, Vanimal46 said:


    If you’re brave enough to scroll through the comments you’ll see how Berrios is viewed from the Mets’ fan base. Shocking I know, every fan values their own prospects like gold. 

    Interesting. After a quick, 5 minute reading over the three prospects, I think I'd do that trade. Mauricio is listed at 51 on MLBs top 100 prospects, and Ginn looks like he would become our third best pitching prospect after Duran/Balazovic. It also wouldn't surprise me at all if he becomes a top 100 prospect at some point too. 

    For a year and a half of Berrios, I would be happy with a haul of two minor leaguers who would instantly go in our top 5 prospects, and a third who would likely be in our top 15.

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    The Mets would be a better trade partner unless St. Louis was willing to give up Liberatore.  I doubt they would.  He seems to be close to major league ready.  A prospect like him would make me feel quite good about are chances to rebuild/retool and get into serious contention soon.  

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    44 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

    The Mets would be a better trade partner unless St. Louis was willing to give up Liberatore.  I doubt they would.  He seems to be close to major league ready.  A prospect like him would make me feel quite good about are chances to rebuild/retool and get into serious contention soon.  

    It would seem odd, though, IMO, to trade a near ready pitcher for one. That said, Berrios is proven....and has 1.5 years left.....so maybe? 

    I've scoured the prospect lists, finding a good trading partner with AA / AAA starting pitching is HARD.

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    One from a Fangraphs chat…

    Nate Pearson for Berrios.

    The Blue Jays get 2 shots at a postseason with Berrios plus a comp pick if he leaves (depending on future union agreement). Twins get 6 years of one of the better pitching prospects taking the risk that he follows the Alex Meyer path.

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