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    Cody Christie

    Veteran players can be the key to a winning team. Their experience can be valuable during a season's most imperative moments. However, the Twins are a long way away from being relevant in the American League. This might mean it is time to clean the house of veteran bats that are taking playing time away from younger players.

    On Monday, Nick ran through some of his ideas about how to revamp the Twins pitching staff. One of the ways would be to jettison some veteran position players in favor of younger prospects. This might help shift Minnesota's culture of losing.

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    Derek Falvey, Minnesota's new chief baseball officer, will be at the helm for plenty of changes in the years to come. The following names could be just a few of the players he might be looking to deal as he takes the reins this off-season.

    Trevor Plouffe

    Over the last couple of seasons, Miguel Sano's emergence has meant that Plouffe's name has swirled around the rumor mill. Plouffe is coming off one of his worst MLB seasons and he still has one more year of arbitration eligibility. He was limited to under 115 games for the first time since 2011 as he battled through a groin injury, a cracked rib, a strained intercostal muscle and a strained oblique. It might be best for Plouffe to prove he is healthy in the first half of 2017 and then he could be dealt closer to the trade deadline. This would mean Sano and Plouffe having to split time at third base and designated hitter.

    Brian Dozier

    Dozier is coming off a record-breaking season where he set the American League record for home runs by a second baseman. Likely, his trade value is the highest it will ever be. Dozier will turn 30 next May and the Twins have him under contract for an average of $7.5 million per season. With multiple years of team control and a team-friendly contract, there could be multiple suitors looking for a veteran bat. I've been critical of Dozier's defense in the past but other teams might be able to look past his flaws because of his monster power numbers from a middle infield position.

    Joe Mauer

    When Mauer signed his eight-year deal to stay in Minnesota, no one had any idea that he wouldn't play catcher after the 2013 season. There are now two years remaining on his contract and there have been few flashes of the Mauer of old. On August 16 of this season, Mauer was hitting .284/.384/.417 before injuring his right quadriceps in that game. While playing through the injury, he strained his other quad and ended up batting .146/.255/.244 the rest of the way. No team is going to willingly take Mauer unless the Twins eat most of the contract. He's not getting any younger as he turns 34 near the beginning of next season. Mauer probably can't be moved at this point but it might start coming to the point where he's taking at-bats away from younger players.

    Ervin Santana

    Twins Daily recently named Santana as the Twins' "Pitcher of the Year." When the team has the worst pitching staff in the American League, this isn't a huge honor, but there were flashes of brilliance from Santana in 2016. His best stretch of pitching was in the middle of the season and this led to plenty of trade rumors. From June 19 through August 21 (11 starts), he posted a 1.79 ERA with two complete games and one complete-game shutout. Minnesota's biggest weakness is starting pitching so it's tough to imagine the team dealing Santana unless they are getting some young pitching in return. He is signed through the 2018 season and it seems likely that he won't finish his current contract in a Twins uniform.

    There's a very good chance that none of the players mentioned above will be on the next winning team in Minnesota. Dozier and Santana seem to be likely options to be traded while Plouffe's and Mauer's value might be too low this winter. Even if all of these players are on the Opening Day roster, it's time to start moving out with the old and in with the new.

    Who will be on the roster when spring rolls around next year? Could any of these players bring back a decent prospect or two in return? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion.

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    The whole "don't let Granite sit around and do nothing thing"....when would you ever call him up, then? Until you trade Rosario....Granite is a 4th OF for this team, right (or maybe 3rd with Rosario 4th). But, I'd rather have him here and contributing, than waiting for that perfect moment and getting him more reps. 

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    The whole "don't let Granite sit around and do nothing thing"....when would you ever call him up, then? Until you trade Rosario....Granite is a 4th OF for this team, right (or maybe 3rd with Rosario 4th). But, I'd rather have him here and contributing, than waiting for that perfect moment and getting him more reps. 

    Agreed. There will be plenty of reps for Granite or whoever is the 4th OF. It felt like every day that one of D Santana, Grossman, or Schafer was in the lineup... 

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    The whole "don't let Granite sit around and do nothing thing"....when would you ever call him up, then? Until you trade Rosario....Granite is a 4th OF for this team, right (or maybe 3rd with Rosario 4th). But, I'd rather have him here and contributing, than waiting for that perfect moment and getting him more reps. 

    126 games at AA with a .729 OPS and 347 OBP AA hardly screams that the guy should be here right now.  Plus, he is not a good replacement for Grossman given he is a LHH.  Grossman may suck defensively but that bat should be in the linepup vs LHP.  He is really a better replacement for Rosario.  IMO Rosario has a higher ceiling than Granite.  If Rosario can develop his approach, he could be a very good MLB player.  Personally, I am not too optimistic but why would you take ABs away from Rosario next year for a guy who is not ready to play at the ML level?   At a minimum, give Rosario / Grossman the 1st half of the season with Granite, Palka and Walker at AAA. 

     

    Hope that you end up with several OFers that can play at the ML level and trade from that position of strength.

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    126 games at AA with a .729 OPS and 347 OBP AA hardly screams that the guy should be here right now.  Plus, he is not a good replacement for Grossman given he is a LHH.  Grossman may suck defensively but that bat should be in the linepup vs LHP.  He is really a better replacement for Rosario.  IMO Rosario has a higher ceiling than Granite.  If Rosario can develop his approach, he could be a very good MLB player.  Personally, I am not too optimistic but why would you take ABs away from Rosario next year for a guy who is not ready to play at the ML level?   At a minimum, give Rosario / Grossman the 1st half of the season with Granite, Palka and Walker at AAA. 

     

    Hope that you end up with several OFers that can play at the ML level and trade from that position of strength.

     

    That wasn't what I was arguing....not even close.

     

    I was arguing that if your reason for not having him here is that he would sit and not play, that is probably the case the following year also. Heck, I even said that.....unless you trade Rosario, Granite is probably always a 4th OF. so, if your argument is don't call him up because he's a 4th OF, well, I don't think that argument can ever be overcome.

     

    Not sure your point.

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    126 games at AA with a .729 OPS and 347 OBP AA hardly screams that the guy should be here right now. Plus, he is not a good replacement for Grossman given he is a LHH. Grossman may suck defensively but that bat should be in the linepup vs LHP. He is really a better replacement for Rosario. IMO Rosario has a higher ceiling than Granite. If Rosario can develop his approach, he could be a very good MLB player. Personally, I am not too optimistic but why would you take ABs away from Rosario next year for a guy who is not ready to play at the ML level? At a minimum, give Rosario / Grossman the 1st half of the season with Granite, Palka and Walker at AAA.

     

    Hope that you end up with several OFers that can play at the ML level and trade from that position of strength.

    Where should Grossman play when you get his bat into the lineup vs LHP? Don't we already have enough DH candidates? Grossman shouldn't play another inning in the OF, barring 2 or more OF injuries in the same game.

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    That wasn't what I was arguing....not even close.

     

    I was arguing that if your reason for not having him here is that he would sit and not play, that is probably the case the following year also. Heck, I even said that.....unless you trade Rosario, Granite is probably always a 4th OF. so, if your argument is don't call him up because he's a 4th OF, well, I don't think that argument can ever be overcome.

     

    Not sure your point.

    The point was I thought the reason he is here had nothing to do with the point you were making..  He has  modest offensive numbers in 127 games at AA.  Why would you think he is a guy to jump right from AA.  It makes absolutely no sense and you were complaining about "if the reason" when it should be very clear that is not the reason.  

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    Where should Grossman play when you get his bat into the lineup vs LHP? Don't we already have enough DH candidates? Grossman shouldn't play another inning in the OF, barring 2 or more OF injuries in the same game.

    It'll never happen, but I'd keep him as a first inning (on the road) bat at the top of the lineup. Take him out in the bottom half of the inning for a defensive replacement. Yeah you blow your bench early but so what? He had .100 points of OBP over Rosario and Rosario had about 100 points of UZR over Grossman.

    At least, I think it would be fun to see happen.

     

    In home games, when you're down 2+ and need baserunners late, there's another spot for him.

     

    Then the ocassional day after night / spot start. That's 200 or so PAs without exposing his defense too badly.

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    The point was I thought the reason he is here had nothing to do with the point you were making..  He has  modest offensive numbers in 127 games at AA.  Why would you think he is a guy to jump right from AA.  It makes absolutely no sense and you were complaining about "if the reason" when it should be very clear that is not the reason.  

     

    Well, I was responding to this, hence I was responding to the point I thought he was making that Granite shouldn't be up because he'd sit on the bench most of the time, which, assuming Rosario, Buxton, and Kepler are good, is true in 2 years or 3 years also....I don't know how to make that more clear, frankly.

     

    "letting Granite sit on the bench most days as a role player? .... and guys like Granite can play every day at AAA to at least start the year?"

     

    No place was I actually arguing he was ready.....I was arguing that it was not sufficient to say he shouldn't come up because he'd sit.

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    Well, I was responding to this, hence I was responding to the point I thought he was making that Granite shouldn't be up because he'd sit on the bench most of the time, which, assuming Rosario, Buxton, and Kepler are good, is true in 2 years or 3 years also....I don't know how to make that more clear, frankly.

     

    "letting Granite sit on the bench most days as a role player? .... and guys like Granite can play every day at AAA to at least start the year?"

     

    No place was I actually arguing he was ready.....I was arguing that it was not sufficient to say he shouldn't come up because he'd sit.

    I see where you are coming from now.  A little context always helps.

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    It'll never happen, but I'd keep him as a first inning (on the road) bat at the top of the lineup. Take him out in the bottom half of the inning for a defensive replacement. Yeah you blow your bench early but so what? He had .100 points of OBP over Rosario and Rosario had about 100 points of UZR over Grossman.

    At least, I think it would be fun to see happen.

     

    In home games, when you're down 2+ and need baserunners late, there's another spot for him.

     

    Then the ocassional day after night / spot start. That's 200 or so PAs without exposing his defense too badly.

    You are burning a spot on your 25 man roster for that? No thanks. I look forward to the day when he is not needed.

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