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    Seth Stohs

    Brian Dozier came to town on Monday. The power-hitting second baseman was in DC at the Winter Meetings for a marketing, promotional event for Under Armour. However, with his name mentioned in all kinds of trade rumors, it certainly brought about reason for more talk.

    But on Monday it appears it was all talk for the Twins new front office, and throughout baseball. There weren't any major transactions announced on Monday, but there was plenty of talk, and much of it was in the American League Central.

    As always use this thread to share rumors and transactions throughout the day as you hear new information. Of course, if the Twins do make a transaction, we'll post that in an article as quickly as we can.

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    The Winter Meetings are often a place where there is a lot of talking, but there aren't necessarily a lot of transactions. That was the case Monday, but a lot of the talk centered around the American League Central. Here's the rundown from Monday as we look forward to Tuesday at the Winter Meetings when we expect some of these talks to turn into official transactions.

    The big talker from Monday was the Chicago White Sox. It appears they are going into full rebuild mold. It looks like they are attempting to follow the plan of the cross-town Cubs. Names like Todd Frazier, Adam Eaton and others could be on the move.

    However, the Chris Sale rumors really heated up on Monday night. It was reported that the Nationals and White Sox are a long way down the path toward a deal that would involve Chris Sale. The White Sox would likely receive elite pitching prospect Lucas Giolito and top outfield prospect Victor Robles, and maybe more.

    The Nationals appear resigned to the fact that in two years Bryce Harper will leave for major money as a free agent, so they are going to go for it. A rotation with Max Scherzer, Chris Sale and Stephen Strasburg at the top of it would give the Nationals a real shot.

    With Mark Melancon signing a four-year, $62 million deal to be the Giants closer on Monday, the market for top closers has been set. Aroldis Chapman is said to be looking for six years (though I can't imagine him getting it). Kenley Jansen is going to also get huge money, likely from either the Marlins or the Dodgers. With that as the backdrop, the White Sox should certainly look to deal their closer, David Robertson. He's signed at a fair price for the next two years, and if the White Sox are selling, they don't really need an elite closer.

    Also last night, rumors came out that Cleveland was very much in on former Blue Jays first baseman Edwin Encarnacion. Despite getting to the World Series, Cleveland didn't have many elite hitters. They had several very good hitters, but Encarnacion would give them an elite bat in the middle to team with Francisco Lindor, Jason Kipnis Jose Ramirez and Carlos Santana to give them a very good lineup to go with their very good pitching staff. They would not only be the favorites in the American League Central, but a favorite to return to the World Series.

    The Royals certainly are making it known that they need to sell off some of their top talent. It appears they are making attempts to deal outfielder Lorenzo Cain. As Brandon Warne often says, Cain can provide young Torii Hunter defense while providing veteran Torii Hunter offensive production. He was hurt some in 2016, and his defense will soon start to go in the other direction so now is the time to deal him.

    Back to the closer discussion, the Royals are also said to be dangling Wade Davis. Davis was hurt in the second half of 2016, but he could command a huge return. The Cubs are said to be interested. Jorge Soler's name has been mentioned though I would think that the Cubs would have to add at least one, and maybe two, more pieces.

    DAILY DOZIER UPDATE

    Dozier appeared on MLB radio, and Derek Falvey was on earlier on Monday. Both were certainly saying the right things, especially when meeting with local Twin Cities media.

    Dozier made it clear that he would like to be part of the solution in Minnesota. He's invested a lot of time, work and passion into becoming a great player with the Twins. He wants to stay. But at the same time, he is intrigued by the rumors and says he has paid attention. He wants to win. He wants to be loyal. And he understands the business side of the game in which a 100-loss team needs to add as much talent as they can, even if it means difficult decisions.

    For his part, Falvey is saying the right things too, which isn't easy. He isn't flat-out lying and saying that nothing's going to happen. He talks about the respect that Dozier has earned and deserves, but he does so while clearly getting a lot of interest from teams on the second baseman.

    There wasn't a lot of new information on Monday. Jon Heyman pointed out that he learned the Yankees have inquired about Dozier. It's good to hear some specific names of other teams, even if just to let the Dodgers think that they need to up their offer if they really want to acquire Dozier.

    The Yankees added a lot of talent last summer from their trades of Andrew Miller and Aroldis Chapman. Certainly Gary Sanchez and Aaron Judge would likely be unavailable. But would pitching prospects like Luis Severino or lefty Justus Sheffield be available? Sheffield is the brother of Jordan Sheffield whose name has been mentioned as a possible return from the Dodgers. James Kaprelian is another pitching prospect of note.

    Clint Frazier is their top prospect, according to MLB.com. He came to the Yankees in the Andrew Miller deal and played in AAA the second half of the year. The Twins like their talented outfielders from Georgia high schools! An outfield of Kepler, Buxton and Frazier would sure be fun to watch grow!

    Gleyber Torres came from the Cubs in the Chapman deal. The shortstop was one of the top prospects in the Arizona Fall League and is a top shortstop prospect in the game, ranking even higher than Nick Gordon. A middle infield down the line of Torres and Gordon would sure be nice. They both would start 2017 in AA Chattanooga. This is likely just wishful thinking as I doubt Torres is be available.

    Let's be honest. Outside of Brian Dozier talk and rumors, things have been very quiet on the Twins front, as it has been throughout baseball through one official day of Winter Meetings will that change on Tuesday?

    Here's the question for you to discuss and answer in the comments below - along with discussing other rumors of the day - In your opinion, what are the odds that the Twins trade Brian Dozier a.) before the end of the Winter Meetings on Thursday, or b.) this offseason? Discuss below, and take the Twins Daily Twitter survey by clicking below.

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    Looks like there could be some other movement now that Boston traded for Sale.

     

    Mike Berardino ‏@MikeBerardino  8m8 minutes ago
    Buchholz due $13.5 M in final year. Some offset likely required there.

    Pomeranz projected $4.7 M as 4+ arb. Drafted by both TEX/CLE.
     

     

    Mike Berardino ‏@MikeBerardino  12m12 minutes ago
    Sale fallout could lead #RedSox to make Buchholz and/or Pomeranz available. Hearing #mntwins could have interest but have yet to engage.
     

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    Don't mind getting Pomeranz, but doesn't he only have 2 or 3 more seasons of control?  Kind of similar to ESan in that capacity.  He's younger, which is a plus, but I'm guessing he's going to cost a lot... probably more like Jorge AND Stewart + someone else.

    He's got 2 arb seasons left. Was making $1.35 MM in 2016... So he's probably on the same projection as Gibson? Maybe $3-4 mill for 2017 and who knows in 2018. 

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    Don't mind getting Pomeranz, but doesn't he only have 2 or 3 more seasons of control?  Kind of similar to ESan in that capacity.  He's younger, which is a plus, but I'm guessing he's going to cost a lot... probably more like Jorge AND Stewart + someone else.

     

    I'm interested in Pomerantz if his value is based more on his AL numbers with Boston, not his NL numbers in San Diego.

     

    Because Boston can't really pretend that the pitcher you saw last year in SD is the guy you'll be getting, no Padre pitcher has put up the same numbers after they leave that team. Not one of any significance anyway.

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    Let's not give up pitching prospects (whom could benefit from change in pitching philosophy) for a Redsox starter.   We have other assets to deal; let's not further thin-out our minor league starting pitching depth in the name of mid rotation veterans...

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    Let's not give up pitching prospects (whom could benefit from change in pitching philosophy) for a Redsox starter.   We have other assets to deal; let's not further thin-out our minor league starting pitching depth in the name of mid rotation veterans...

    At this point I'd place my faith in Falvey. If he doesn't see anything in Stewart or the other guys I'd be alright with him swapping them for guys he does like. Though, I'd only see him doing that for other minor leaguers and not MLB guys.

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    At this point I'd place my faith in Falvey. If he doesn't see anything in Stewart or the other guys I'd be alright with him swapping them for guys he does like. Though, I'd only see him doing that for other minor leaguers and not MLB guys.

    I don't disagree, necessarily.. My point is that if part of the problem with our pitchers in the upper minors is that they have been underdeveloped because of resources and/or philosophy, does Falvey really know what he has in Stewart, Jay, Jorge, etc.?  I'd prefer to see how the young guys respond to the regime changing, than to judging them by their results under the old regime. 

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    Let's not give up pitching prospects (whom could benefit from change in pitching philosophy) for a Redsox starter.   We have other assets to deal; let's not further thin-out our minor league starting pitching depth in the name of mid rotation veterans...

    I understand this argument. However, prospects traded away for Pomeranz could be replaced with other prospects obtained from an Ervin Santana trade. 

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    I understand this argument. However, prospects traded away for Pomeranz could be replaced with other prospects obtained from an Ervin Santana trade. 

    So trade for a lefty in Pomeranz who for the first time in his career pitched more than 100 innings(170 2/3) and then trade Ervin Santana for prospects? What do you gain besides saving a little money and hoping that it works out in the end? Sorry, I am not drinking that kool-aid.

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    So trade for a lefty in Pomeranz who for the first time in his career pitched more than 100 innings(170 2/3) and then trade Ervin Santana for prospects? What do you gain besides saving a little money and hoping that it works out in the end? Sorry, I am not drinking that kool-aid.

     

    I'd rather keep Santana, I think.....OTOH, Pomeranz is under control for 1 more year than ESAN, and for much less money....OTTH, they do need a veteran SP, imo, to mentor the younger pitchers....and Gibson isn't that guy.

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    So trade for a lefty in Pomeranz who for the first time in his career pitched more than 100 innings(170 2/3) and then trade Ervin Santana for prospects? What do you gain besides saving a little money and hoping that it works out in the end? Sorry, I am not drinking that kool-aid.

    Pomeranz was relegated to the bullpen from 2013-2015 and did pretty well last year back in the rotation. Sounds like someone we could estimate pitching 180-200 innings next year if he's on some team's rotation.

     

    With Santana it's simply selling high after a good season, and getting out of the contract before that comes to bite the Twins. I think it's pretty risky to anticipate another great season from him. 34 years old, a lot of wear and tear on that arm, and a couple of clunker seasons in his past.

     

    Full disclosure, my ulterior motive is to find suitable trade partners for both Dozier and Ervin this offseason.

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    You can't just sign guys, they have to agree. No one jumps on board with a 106 loss team to likely have to move their family mid-season.

    Actually you see several free agents do this every single season.

    If he can be had on a 1 year deal then he likely doesn't have a ton of options.

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    Good stuff in this article from Rhett Bollinger on what Falvey/Levine are doing during hte meetings, getting calls on Ervin Santana, Brandon Kintzler and Kennys Vargas, new scouts, and more.

    Seth, I think Bollinger just calls those 3 players "trade pieces" but he doesn't actually say they have fielded calls about them (unlike Dozier).

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    Wow, Rays continue to outclass the Twins every step of the way. They get Ramos on a fantastic two year deal, and we get stuck with a 1.0-1.5 WAR catcher for 3 years in Castro.

    Old habits die hard I suppose, Falvey/Levine should have completely cleaned the rest of the toxic front office house when they had the chance.

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    I'd also be willing to bet anyone that Ramos gives a nice amount of more value in 2 years (1.5 years) then Castro does in 3 years for this team (one extra pitch frame strike per game included!)

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