Official Twins Daily July Trade Deadline Day Thread

for all the angst surrounding Belisle's name, it's a bit surprising to think he could be dealt to another team. Not sure I'd expect a ton for Belisle or Kintsler, but if we get a low A lotto type, I'm fine with that.

 

for all the angst surrounding Belisle's name, it's a bit surprising to think he could be dealt to another team. Not sure I'd expect a ton for Belisle or Kintsler, but if we get a low A lotto type, I'm fine with that.

Agree, I just don't want to see them walk away for nothing in return.

Breslow was officially released yesterday.

I'd set the over/under on number of trades today at 1.5

 

Kintzler will get traded for best offer.

 

I think Santana is next likely to get traded. I think the Yankees will get Gray, but I don't think the Dodgers will give up Buehler or Verdugo for Darvish and Texas will ultimately hold onto him.  There could be a potential fit there since the Dodgers have such a deep farm system and I could see a deal being made that doesn't include their top 5 prospects.  Mariners have talked to Twins about Santana too, but their farm system doesn't match up well with what the FO seems to want back.  Astros are in it too. Maybe even Royals.  It ultimately depends on if a team will get desperate and meet the FO's minimum return.  If not, the smart move is to hang onto him. 

 

Escobar, Belisle, Gimenez could all be moved too.  Seems most likely that Dozier is moved in the offseason.  Maybe even another trade in the style of JRM for Moya. (Park to someone?)

 

I think I'd take the over.  Kintzler and then either a Santana trade or a more minor trade. 

 

 

Kintzler will almost certainly be traded today. 

I could see Belisle getting traded in August. 

Ervin I'll put at 15% chance he's traded today. 

 

Dozier 0.5%. I just don't see any team that needs a 2B. 

I bet Santana gets moved but for a return most folks here are underwhelmed by. The front office surely sees his peripheral stats indicate he's much closer to being a liability than he is a front of the rotation guy. If he pitches to his stats the 2nd half, this is likely the last chance to deal him.

Quite possible.   Something tells me though we'll be surprised in some way (either more trades than we thought or less, although I have a sneaking suspicion that it will be less for some reason).

I am a little surprised there hasn't been more trade activity.  Makes me nervous about the returns especially for relievers.  There seems to be a fair number of quality relievers out there so likely a buyers market.

 

Dozier has done nothing to make himself appealing at the deadline.  I thought last year he had turned a corner but I think this is pretty much who he is.  I don't see a big a return in the future either.  It is nice to have his power at 2nd but he seems pretty replaceable.

 

I agree that Belisle could get traded but for very little and that would be the appeal.  When used properly he is pretty solid so I think teams would be interested for a far away lottery pick.

 

It would be nice if some team would pony up for Escobar to remove the log jam of middle infielders but it seems unlikely as he is considered a utility player and I think the Twins value him higher than the market does.

 

It doesn't appear that any team wants to pay big in prospects for the starters that are available so that makes me doubt Sanana gets moved as he is pretty valuable to the Twins for next year and could be dangled again if needed.

 

Kintzler seems like the most likely to go but we will have to wait and see.

 

Kintzler will almost certainly be traded today. 

I could see Belisle getting traded in August. 

Ervin I'll put at 15% chance he's traded today. 

 

Dozier 0.5%. I just don't see any team that needs a 2B. 

Unless Arizona suddenly decides to be after a 2B.  Dozier's bat would play well there in my view.

 

I have no idea how likely that really is though.

I predict:

 

Kintzler dealt

Belisle dealt

Gimenez released in August waivers at some point, about 2-3 weeks from now

 

 

I predict:

 

Kintzler dealt

Belisle dealt

Gimenez released in August waivers at some point, about 2-3 weeks from now

I would change that to Gimenez moved to the bullpen, as it looks like they will need him there often.

 

I predict:

 

Kintzler dealt

Belisle dealt

Gimenez released in August waivers at some point, about 2-3 weeks from now

 

Too many relievers available for Belisle to go today. Going to be an August move.

 

Too many relievers available for Belisle to go today. Going to be an August move.

 

good point. After the bad stretch, he's actually be quite good.

From MLBTR's top 25 deadline day trade candidates, #4 (Justin Wilson) already went to the Cubs, and #3 (Addison Reed) is "moving closer" to the Red Sox.

 

Kintzler is the next reliever on the list, at #5.  Joe Smith is right behind him at #6, though, and I could see him being more appealing to some with his 2017 K rate.

 

I'm starting to suspect we might be underwhelmed by the Kintzler return, even compared to other relievers. Enough that the team may not bother to deal him at all...

MLBTR is saying the Yankees are front runners for Gray right now. Guess their rotation is in pretty bad shape if they've acquired Garcia and still want more pitching.

 

From MLBTR's top 25 deadline day trade candidates, #4 (Justin Wilson) already went to the Cubs, and #3 (Addison Reed) is "moving closer" to the Red Sox.

 

Kintzler is the next reliever on the list, at #5.  Joe Smith is right behind him at #6, though, and I could see him being more appealing to some with his 2017 K rate.

 

I'm starting to suspect we might be underwhelmed by the Kintzler return, even compared to other relievers. Enough that the team may not bother to deal him at all...

 

I wouldn't expect much more than a high upside/high risk low A lotto type. Honestly, I'm also fine with that.

 

MLBTR is saying the Yankees are front runners for Gray right now. Guess their rotation is in pretty bad shape if they've acquired Garcia and still want more pitching.

 

Gray is cheap, they want under the cap, and he has more than 1 year of control left. I think it is about that, more than fixing just this year.

 

I wouldn't expect much more than a high upside/high risk low A lotto type. Honestly, I'm also fine with that.

I'm wondering if the return might not be closer to Pat Light territory, though.  Kintzler has had a nice season for us but I'm not sure he fits anyone's profile for bullpen reinforcement.

 

I'm wondering if the return might not be closer to Pat Light territory, though.  Kintzler has had a nice season for us but I'm not sure he fits anyone's profile for bullpen reinforcement.

 

well, given that the Indians seem more interested in Zach Britton and his price tag/history now that Reed is gone, you might be right.

 

I wouldn't expect much more than a high upside/high risk low A lotto type. Honestly, I'm also fine with that.

 

I agree, partly because most teams are willing to give up those types of players which are so far away, and partly because the front office probably is already going to have their hands full with 40-man decisions next year.

 

I'm wondering if the return might not be closer to Pat Light territory, though.  Kintzler has had a nice season for us but I'm not sure he fits anyone's profile for bullpen reinforcement.

 

Hmm, that's a tough spot. The Twins could try to re-sign Kintzler in the off-season either way. But if the return is essentially a non-prospect, not sure if it's worth the hassle. 

 

MLBTR is saying the Yankees are front runners for Gray right now. Guess their rotation is in pretty bad shape if they've acquired Garcia and still want more pitching.

I think Garcia plugs in as their #5 so they're okay but no room for an injury. If they got Gray they could bump Montgomery to the pen in Phil Hughes type fashion. I think that's the thinking.

 

From MLBTR's top 25 deadline day trade candidates, #4 (Justin Wilson) already went to the Cubs, and #3 (Addison Reed) is "moving closer" to the Red Sox.

 

Kintzler is the next reliever on the list, at #5.  Joe Smith is right behind him at #6, though, and I could see him being more appealing to some with his 2017 K rate.

 

I'm starting to suspect we might be underwhelmed by the Kintzler return, even compared to other relievers. Enough that the team may not bother to deal him at all...

Underwhelming or not, anything is better than losing him for nothing at the end of the year. I will be happy with a return of anyone under the age of 24 that arguably slots into the top-30 of the Twins system.

What I expect to see:
- Kintzler
- One other trade today
Over/under of 2 trades today.

 

What I would like to see:
- Kintzler
- Santana
- Grossman -> Granite stays up when Buxton is called back up
- Gimenez -> Garver called up as C/DH

I think the time to trade Santana is now. His peripherals indicate that he is going to nose dive sooner rather than later, and at 35, even if his peripherals were good, well, the time would be coming soon anyway. If good GMs have a chance to look into him this offseason, without the deadline panic, I'm not sure anyone would take him. Seems strange to say, given his raw numbers, and the fact that he was a gosh darned all-star this year.

I think Kintzler is going to go right at the deadline as the bidding war starts up after Reed is gone, and the O's decide on Britton

Here are the teams that have already traded for bullpen help in the last few weeks:

 

Cubs
Yankees
Nationals
Rays
Mariners
Mets
Rockies
Brewers
Royals

Red Sox

 

Who is conceivably still shopping for relievers today?

 

Indians

Astros

Dodgers

Diamondbacks

 

Those teams rank 2 , 4, 5, and 9 (Arizona) by bullpen fWAR.

 

Edited to reflect Addison Reed to Boston.

Edited July 31, 2017 by spycake

Red Sox just acquired Addison Reed, so that's one more team....

I think Kintzler gets moved today, and that's it. 

If there's another-- it would be Santana but only if Gray and maybe Darvish goes.

The rest will be August moves.

Belisle, Grossman, Gimenez.

 

I don't see a market for Dozier right now either. But that could change next month if a 2B on a contender gets hurt. Still, my gut feeling is that Dozier is a Twin on Opening Day 2018.

 

What I expect to see:
- Kintzler
- One other trade today
Over/under of 2 trades today.

 

What I would like to see:
- Kintzler
- Santana
- Grossman -> Granite stays up when Buxton is called back up
- Gimenez -> Garver called up as C/DH

I have never heard the Twins say anything positive about Garver. I believe he will get a cup of coffee come September, but if I'm not mistaken, they view him as another Pinto, and will not trust him with our young pitchers.

 

I have never heard the Twins say anything positive about Garver. I believe he will get a cup of coffee come September, but if I'm not mistaken, they view him as another Pinto, and will not trust him with our young pitchers.

 

I'm sure they like his bat this season, but yes... I'm assuming he is being moved around now (LF, DH, maybe 1B a little bit?) because there are real concerns about him sticking at C at the MLB level.