Miguel Sano And Negativity Bias

Nice counter article.    For whatever reason Sano is not my favorite guy to watch but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate what he brings to the table.   Vargas just isn't in the same class and Escobar should be batting 7-9 rather than cleanup.    Buxton and Mauer are my favorite.  Dozier, Polanco and Rosario have been very good and Kepler is a useful piece.    With the roll Polanco and Buxton are on, having Sano and Grossman in this lineup makes it formidable.

Negativity sells. Look at any thread that starts with a rip on something versus a positive spin one.  The negativity goes on and on, the positive  threads draw few responses.  Management and established players are the first target. Players that are fringe are the third target.

Reusse and Souhan can write some nice nostalgia pieces from time to time. Take them seriously?! Couch potatoes do not great players or coaches make.

Doom and gloom from columnists like them and Tom Powers are part and parcel of the old Minnesota defeatist sports complex that waaaay to many fans buy into..

Thank goodness there's no negativity bias here! By the way Nick, I think Dozier passed your 22 HR prediction.

I haven't heard the laziness angle for a long time. It's certainly not fair to raise this year. 

I think you have reading bias. I don't get the same "tone" from the article you do, Nick Nelson.

If he chooses to go elsewhere, Souhan and Reusse will surely be lamenting another star player who left the small market via free agency to chase the spotlight and the big dollars

 

I don't see it as the local columnist's job to recruit future free agents to stay.

Also, whenever I see/hear the Harmon Killebrew 'start of career' comparisons, I cringe.  The rules at the time created a situation where Killebrew was forced to remain with the major league club from the moment he signed at 17 years of age.  His first 110 games or so, he was nothing more than a bench player, frequently appearing only to pinch-hit, and averaging no more than 2-3 plate appearances per game overall.  And again, he was 18,19,20 years old at the time and should have been developing somewhere on a minor league field.

Sano...I'm torn on Sano.  I love him.  I love his demeanor on the field and what we can see in the dug-out.  Seems to almost always have positive body language and displays a ton of energy.  Also seems truly engaged and the first to congratulate teammates when they do well...even when he is struggling.  I think that is NOT that common and I think it's huge.

I also happen to believe that Sano is a better athlete and more agile than the average fan (even the average TD poster) can even imagine.  He's just a huge athlete.  I believe that if he had grown up in the US he'd probably have ended up having to make a decision between D1 offensive/defensive lineman or baseball.  (I think one of Howie Long's kids got drafted by MLB and ended up making the football lineman choice...but when you're from the DR, you don't end up with that option.)

On the other hand, I do think it's a part of being (or becoming) a professional that you develop disciplines than enhance your craft.  In Sano's case, if he is to reach true greatness...MVP/HoF-type greatness...he'll need to do two things.  He'll need to obtain and maintain a leaner body and he will need to adjust to off-sped pitches away.  When you're as talented as Sano, you can be good...you can be an all-star...without the sacrifices and improvements.  But how good does he want to be?  It's up to him.  For now, I'll enjoy him for what he is.  But eventually, the bar will be raised.  It always is for the best players.  Sano is not the first to face this.

There are true biases in this statement and that is why it is destructive. How can you define laziness?  Too many times it has been a racial epithet and most of the time it is because someone does not do what you think they should.  If Souhan wants to talk about improvements we would like to see Sano make like less Ks, fine, but from everything I read this year Sano has worked hard to be a better player and I cannot wait for him to reach his peak.

Unfortunately there is also a fat bias - and based on the agility of Sano at 3B this year I to not think that is justified either.  It is up to the team to communicate what is needed and if this is someone's way of motivating Sano they are way off base.

I think some confuse concern with criticism. You can be concerned about Sano's in-season weight gain and k-rate without being a hater. Truth is, he's a top 10 mlb power hitter already. He may or may not be at peak potential. Those who want a Stanton, Trout, Pujols or Miggy and think that Sano has that in him shouldn't be shamed for their belief and desire to see him continue to improve to hall of fame levels.

Would Sano rather we be appreciative of his all-star caliber season or believe he has an MVP in him that we want him to try to reach?

Interesting. You should check out the dozens of replies to the Strib's tweet linking to the article. I'm hardly the only one who perceived it as such. 

 

 

Huh?

Sorry, the 22 hr was Cody. You were the one who cherry-picked clutch and RISP data in your last Dozier post. That's negativity bias as well. You're right to call out Souhan but I'm not a fan of that sort of thing in any case.  I've given up on Souhan because he's totally awful. You, on the other hand, are usually a pleasure to read. But when it comes to Dozier... 

This could well be a Minnesota thing. Hrbek after shock! 

The FO will have to evaluate all of his issues along with every other player of our current "core" and put forth contracts accordingly. For me the strikeouts are the glaring number but the walks give you pause to think what could happen if he REALLY recognized the strike zone. That would put him in rarified air.

I do like Levine's on-the-record quotes on Sano from the BP interview... I do wonder which Twins person gave Souhan that information off-the-record. Clearly someone did... Could have been anyone, player, coach, manager, Falvey or Levine. 

 

For me, the timing of that article was really unfortunate. There's nothing wrong with saying that Sano's weight is and will be a concern. That's just a reality of being him. As you point out and everyone knows, he is a large man. The article was just really poorly timed. 

 

And that's without thinking about the theoretical might-be's for when Sano leaves via free agency (which of course will likely be much more about Roc Nation than about anything Souhan or Reusse or anyone at KFAN might say.

http://www.1500espn.com/twins-2/2017/08/twins-gm-levine-addresses-sanos-weight-molitors-future/

I think Levine address Sano' s weight more here and it sounds like they have some concerns. I think both Strib article and the Levine article all describe how important Sano is to Twins future and his size at this age could be a sign of future problems. I don't see how stating an obvious concern is negativity.

Best article I have seen in a very long time around here.

Interesting. You should check out the dozens of replies to the Strib's tweet linking to the article. I'm hardly the only one who perceived it as such. 

 I always try to be a baseball fan before a Twins' fan. It is not an easy task, but bias and stress is relieved that way. I really don't care what the "most" think, especially if they are biased by being a diehard and passionate fan of a team. Many are Twins' fans first, and baseball fans second. Hence, calling for pitchers to cowardly hit a batter to "have so-and-so's back". Most, at one time, denied the discovery of the solar system, and held tight to the world was flat. I don't care if other's have bias. I am sure guilty of it, at times, even if I try not to be. Just as I don't think that a fast start to a single season makes an all-star, or an "ace", I tend to not grace a quick start with extreme admiration. I don't see any of the observations in both of the articles sighted as "negative". I see them as a valid obervations, and opinion with thoughtful, realistic, common sense approach. And everyone has an opinion, and has the right to one. 

Plus, you made me laugh by sighting a tweet and the commentary. If you want to deal with "negative", you have the treasure of negativity from the the tweets and comments of the incessant twits. 

 I always try to be a baseball fan before a Twins' fan. It is not an easy task, but bias and stress is relieved that way. I really don't care what the "most" think, especially if they are biased by being a diehard and passionate fan of a team. Many are Twins' fans first, and baseball fans second. Hence, calling for pitchers to cowardly hit a batter to "have so-and-so's back". Most, at one time, denied the discovery of the solar system, and held tight to the world was flat. I don't care if other's have bias. I am sure guilty of it, at times, even if I try not to be. Just as I don't think that a fast start to a single season makes an all-star, or an "ace", I tend to not grace a quick start with extreme admiration. I don't see any of the observations in both of the articles sighted as "negative". I see them as a valid obervations, and opinion with thoughtful, realistic, common sense approach. And everyone has an opinion, and has the right to one. 

 

Plus, you made me laugh by sighting a tweet and the commentary. If you want to deal with "negative", you have the treasure of negativity from the the tweets and comments of the incessant twits. 

I am ecstatic Sano is on our team and I have always been in the camp he is a great athlete and that other sports have very big when with exceptional athleticism is just much more rare in baseball.

The bias angle at the core of your post is dead on.  It is all to common for conclusions to be a product of an already held point of view rather than looking at the facts objectively.  There is a lot of that involved when it comes to Sano.   The detractors to appreciate his athleticism and his accomplishments at such a young age.  The athleticism is on display and the stats speak to his talent.

On the other hand, the vast majority of ABs he refuses to apply any sort of two strike approach and he strikes out on a lot of bad pitches.  He is a greater hitter but he is still along ways from being comparable to Cabrera.   He ranks 60th in WAR and 37 in OPS.  Good but he has significantly more potential.  Altuve's OPS is 120 points higher and Bellinger is 108 points higher.  Harper, Votto and Stanton 175-200 pts higher.  There are 34 players with one home run or that have more home runs.  His numbers are very good but not elite.  

The only thing all say about the weight is that there is absolutely no way anyone could argue he could lose 20 pounds quite easily.  This can make him a target with the media because modest effort and reasonable dietary discipline and he is there.  

I do like Levine's on-the-record quotes on Sano from the BP interview... I do wonder which Twins person gave Souhan that information off-the-record. Clearly someone did... Could have been anyone, player, coach, manager, Falvey or Levine. 

 

For me, the timing of that article was really unfortunate. There's nothing wrong with saying that Sano's weight is and will be a concern. That's just a reality of being him. As you point out and everyone knows, he is a large man. The article was just really poorly timed. 

 

And that's without thinking about the theoretical might-be's for when Sano leaves via free agency (which of course will likely be much more about Roc Nation than about anything Souhan or Reusse or anyone at KFAN might say.

What makes you think this was a leaked story? I listened to Maki and Judd the other day and that was their take on it. I think in either case (Souhan and Ruesse) there was no

leaked information. Anonymous sources is just an easy way to write a story. Nick is right....the Twins would have no reason to antagonize Sano...who is a big part of their future.

I'll take Sano in my team all day long. He has the potential to be one of the more potent offensive threats in baseball.

It's become fashionable to tell people how to feel, what they can say, and how they should live their life. Virtue signaling is something that is done constantly (everything from retweets, to posts, etc). That's all part of this. It's as much an article pointed at "I'm going to tell you how to be righteous," than a sports peice. That pompous twit.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like there was a time in the not so distant past in which Sano was appreciated for what he was

I'm not a big fan of Souhan's columns. I'm even less of a fan on health-related pieces like this one. Some of the things written in the piece made me cringe.

That said, I feel at least some pressure to get people on here to put away their pitchforks.

1. That piece clearly came from inside the Twins organization. The Strib's beat writer has been among the column's biggest defenders. Reserve much of your anger for whomever fed Souhan the piece. Because someone almost certainly did feed Souhan that piece. 

2. Whether anybody likes it or not, size matters. 

I'm old enough to remember Kent Hrbek. And that means I'm old enough to remember a player who let his weight stand between himself and being a truly great player. He played in a diminishing number of games in his 30s, and his last game was at the age of 34. 

No, size isn't what put Sano on the disabled list. But size will affect his recovery time, and it most definitely could make him more injury prone as he gets older. Want a long career in sports? Take care of yourself, for crying out loud.

It's a perfectly legitimate concern for a major league baseball team to be concerned about the conditioning of one of its best young players. In fact, I'd be irritated as hell if they weren't. 

Prince Fielder didn't miss a game for a long string in his 20s. But he was out of baseball at the age of 32. 

Sano is one of my favorite players, and one of the Twins organization's biggest assets. The front office would be negligient not to have concerns about the physical condition of all its players, much less one of its most vital. I'm still not seeing what all the fuss about Souhan's, and Reusse's columns is all about. They said the organization has concerns. And the organization should have concerns. Lavelle corroborated those concerns across multiple platforms, but I don't see anyone hammering him.