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    Ted Schwerzler

    Back at the July 31st trade deadline Star Tribune beat writer LaVelle E. Neal keyed in on the talks had between the New York Mets and the Minnesota Twins. Names like Noah Syndergaard and Byron Buxton were tossed around, but nothing came to fruition. What happens if a blockbuster is the avenue to impact pitching this winter?

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    If there was a misstep by the front office at the deadline, it was missing on the Toronto Blue Jays' Marcus Stroman. Maybe the Canadians never circled back, but Minnesota easily could have trumped the New York offer. Eventually they pivoted to talking with the Mets directly, and the man coined Thor reportedly came up in talks. Byron Buxton was the ask, and that was out of the question. Injury makes it easy to judge that in hindsight, but it remains a logical position from the Twins brass. What if there was another way to do that deal though?

    Parting ways with Byron Buxton in the middle of a record-breaking season would have been asinine for the Twins. Flipping him off of an injury, while he still looks the part of a superstar due to his exploits in the field and rise at the dish, would remain an odd proposition. If Syndergaard was on the table then though, he may still remain so, and going the route of quantity could be enough to reach the finish line.

    The key for the Mets during the season was an acquisition of major league-ready players. They have just lost Zack Wheeler, and had parted with top prospects to bring in an aging Robinson Cano. Despite being in the big city, Carlos Beltran’s squad remains the kid brother to the Bronx Bombers. Rebuilding the overall talent pool is something that Brodie van Wagenen should be focused on, and a plethora of impact prospects would certainly advance that possibility.

    Syndergaard is under team control for two more seasons, at which point he’ll be entering his age-29 season. He will soon become quite expensive, and that would need to be a consideration for any acquiring team as well. Blending a return that satisfies some immediate assistance with future gain is the way I’d attack this if I were the Twins.

    Mets receive: Eddie Rosario, Trevor Larnach, Blayne Enlow, and Travis Blankenhorn

    Twins receive: Noah Syndergaard

    In this scenario Minnesota is giving up a current big leaguer who has posted just shy of 8.0 fWAR over the past three seasons in Rosario. He’s a left-handed bat that would immediately boost the New York outfield, and at 28-years-old, becomes an extension candidate should things trend upwards prior to his free agency in 2022. A former first-round pick and current top 100 prospect, Trevor Larnach represents future value that is very close to paying dividends. He’s a power corner guy with a pretty safe floor.

    Moving to the second half of the deal, New York would be looking to cash in on the ceiling. Enlow was an above slot deal back in 2017 and has looked the part at each level. He’s still a developing arm, but a 50 future value makes him an intriguing option in the middle of a rotation. Blankenhorn could end up being more of a utility guy, but there is a lot to like in his profile. He does a lot of things well and looks like a pretty safe bet to contribute at the major league level.

    Certainly, this is a haul for the Twins to part with, but they’d be doing so to acquire a bona fide ace. Ideally an extension could be worked out with Syndergaard but that’s probably a lofty ask given the impending payday coming on the open market. Pairing the current roster with a solid number one could be the needle-moving decision that strengthens a likely postseason battle with the Yankees in each of the next two seasons.

    No matter how Minnesota ends up acquiring the impact arm they talked about heading into the offseason, a level of risk and decisive action will need to be taken. Hyun-Jin Ryu is among the small list of names still warranting a hefty payday, while prospect capital or eating salary from another organization represent the alternative modes of spend.

    The trade market is a difficult one to nail down. Between having multiple options (of which some very intriguing scenarios were recently presented by Skor North’s Jake Depue), and uncertain returns (looking at you Cleveland Indians), we really never know what to expect.

    How would you feel about this move, and what would you do differently?

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    The Rosario haters will tell us that no way would the Mets make this deal.

    It doesn't take any Rosario hate to notice that the Mets already have 3 good corner outfield performers returning from last season. (And that's not counting Davis who primarily played LF but has no glove, or McNeil who also played primarily in LF/RF but is probably needed more in the infield going forward.) They don't need Rosario, and certainly not at the price of Syndergaard.

     

    And as far as baseballtradevalues is concerned, my son's chocolate lab is probably more accurate than what I see from most of their calculations.  

    Even if he's not Godiva, I congratulate your son on producing accurate chocolate in his lab! :)

     

    Seriously, if you have a quibble with a specific calculation from baseballtradevalues.com here, I'd love to hear it. Might be fun to break it down to see where their numbers are coming from, and where perhaps opinions might differ.

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    Then the real trades actually go down and its Deleno Deshields for Corey Kluber.....It almost never is what people think. 

    FWIW, baseballtradevalues.com actually validated that trade pretty well! Kluber carries more risk at this point than people might think.

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    I see that Eddie Rosario is the new Brian Duensing throw in on every trade proposal

    We should have a contest! Add up all the TD trade proposals.

     

    Rosario might be in the lead this winter, but I imagine Thorpe, Enlow, and Rooker are not far behind. Gordon is still kicking too, and might be an inner circle all-time TD trade candidate when judging his (our) complete body of work.

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    While I agree with the many sentiments suggesting that this might be light, my pause came in also considering what deals have been accepted. Rosario doesn't have negative trade value, even if it's substantially muted. My initial proposal had Balazovic or Duran as the inclusion instead of Enlow. I thought that may have entered the realm of being a stretch.

     

    I don't think the Mets should be trading Thor either, but they've continued to be run poorly in the time that Brodie has spent there. This was also operating less from the belief that New York would be motivated to make the move, and rather from the standpoint that they reportedly engaged Minnesota at the deadline.

     

    Of the five deals discussed in the linked article, I would do all but the swap with Detroit. I'm not a Matt Boyd guy at all.

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    Every time the topic of trade comes up, im always floored at the proposed scenarios....In almost every case, I leave feeling like the twins are giving too much in said scenarios.

     

    Then the real trades actually go down and its Deleno Deshields for Corey Kluber.....It almost never is what people think. 

    This is where I tried to consider things as well. We often over-value our own prospects and have more intimate knowledge of those names. The return for Marcus Stroman was incredibly light as well.

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    It doesn't take any Rosario hate to notice that the Mets already have 3 good corner outfield performers returning from last season. (And that's not counting Davis who primarily played LF but has no glove, or McNeil who also played primarily in LF/RF but is probably needed more in the infield going forward.) They don't need Rosario, and certainly not at the price of Syndergaard.

    I'm not sure I agree with the assessment of their outfield. They've got Conforto, Nimmo, and now Marisnick. Believe I saw it reported that McNeil's role would be in the infield/utility.

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    While I agree with the many sentiments suggesting that this might be light, my pause came in also considering what deals have been accepted. Rosario doesn't have negative trade value, even if it's substantially muted. My initial proposal had Balazovic or Duran as the inclusion instead of Enlow. I thought that may have entered the realm of being a stretch.

     

    I don't think the Mets should be trading Thor either, but they've continued to be run poorly in the time that Brodie has spent there. This was also operating less from the belief that New York would be motivated to make the move, and rather from the standpoint that they reportedly engaged Minnesota at the deadline.

     

    Of the five deals discussed in the linked article, I would do all but the swap with Detroit. I'm not a Matt Boyd guy at all.

     

    The Mets won 86 games in the best division in baseball....and some are predicting they will be better this year. How are they poorly run? I mean, they might be.....but results aren't indicating that. Enlow will be lucky to sniff the majors. You'd have to include one of the top SP prospects in this deal. 

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    This is where I tried to consider things as well. We often over-value our own prospects and have more intimate knowledge of those names. The return for Marcus Stroman was incredibly light as well.

    I don't agree.

    If anything, I think Cleveland won the Kluber trade, Kluber looks cooked and is expensive.

     

    The rough Twins equivalent of the Stroman package is Duran and Thorpe. That seems pretty fair to me.

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    The Mets won 86 games in the best division in baseball....and some are predicting they will be better this year. How are they poorly run? I mean, they might be.....but results aren't indicating that. Enlow will be lucky to sniff the majors. You'd have to include one of the top SP prospects in this deal.

    Yeah, I don't understand how he can say they've been run poorly, while also saying the Stroman trade was incredibly light. Which is it?

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    I'm not sure I agree with the assessment of their outfield. They've got Conforto, Nimmo, and now Marisnick. Believe I saw it reported that McNeil's role would be in the infield/utility.

    I mistakenly labeled Dominic Smith as an outfielder (although he's played a little out there), but still I don't see how you are disagreeing with my assessment in regards to the Mets outfield and Eddie Rosario. Conforto and Nimmo both out-hit Rosario the last two seasons and for their MLB careers, and both are controlled as long or longer than Rosario too. They don't really need another corner outfielder who may be able to fake it in center, do they? Or if they do, they certainly don't need to spend Syndergaard to get that player.

     

    Buxton would obviously be appealing to them -- real CF, 3 years control -- but not Rosario, right?

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    I mistakenly labeled Dominic Smith as an outfielder (although he's played a little out there), but still I don't see how you are disagreeing with my assessment in regards to the Mets outfield and Eddie Rosario. Conforto and Nimmo both out-hit Rosario the last two seasons and for their MLB careers, and both are controlled as long or longer than Rosario too. They don't really need another corner outfielder who may be able to fake it in center, do they? Or if they do, they certainly don't need to spend Syndergaard to get that player.

     

    Buxton would obviously be appealing to them -- real CF, 3 years control -- but not Rosario, right?

    They have Cespedes hanging around in there also.  He is listed as probable to start the season.

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    Or...... Or..... Hear me out here..... Go out and tell the Red Sox you will take on David Price for 27 mill a year and send them a bag of baseballs and a couple Schweigerts hot dogs and Sheboygan brats. Maybe they are pursuing this and not making noise but IMO an expensive contract on a player that had a down year and looking to give a way is just the type of upside play that can send you over the top. Even if he pitches like a #2, he is an upgrade over Gibson and Perez. It's just money and 3 years, which shouldnt impact signing any of the guys who (hopefully but no guarantee) will be due raises. Trading big pieces for Syndergaard under the assumption that Buxton and Sano are sure fire fixtures is more risky than just paying 90 mil over three years and seeing how it plays out. If he returns to Price form, we have another by low Cruz type play. Risk the cash, not the assets. 

     

    Plus, just think of all the bad "price is right" puns we get to hear. Bonus

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    Or...... Or..... Hear me out here..... Go out and tell the Red Sox you will take on David Price for 27 mill a year and send them a bag of baseballs and a couple Schweigerts hot dogs and Sheboygan brats. Maybe they are pursuing this and not making noise but IMO an expensive contract on a player that had a down year and looking to give a way is just the type of upside play that can send you over the top. Even if he pitches like a #2, he is an upgrade over Gibson and Perez. It's just money and 3 years, which shouldnt impact signing any of the guys who (hopefully but no guarantee) will be due raises. Trading big pieces for Syndergaard under the assumption that Buxton and Sano are sure fire fixtures is more risky than just paying 90 mil over three years and seeing how it plays out. If he returns to Price form, we have another by low Cruz type play. Risk the cash, not the assets.

     

    Plus, just think of all the bad "price is right" puns we get to hear. Bonus

    I'm sure the Red Sox would love to make out that good. Realistically, the Sox are going to have to give a pretty good prospect or two along with Price.

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    I'm sure the Red Sox would love to make out that good. Realistically, the Sox are going to have to give a pretty good prospect or two along with Price.

    Or they pay about 60% of his salary making him a 12mil a season guy for the team that gets him. Price flat out broke down the last half of the season. No way a team will pay 27mil for a potential #5 SP.

     

    I think Price ends up in SD in a bad contract swap for Wil Meyers.

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    I don't agree.
    If anything, I think Cleveland won the Kluber trade, Kluber looks cooked and is expensive.

    The rough Twins equivalent of the Stroman package is Duran and Thorpe. That seems pretty fair to me.

    From what I've seen there's very few industry reporters that think Cleveland did well. Kluber is an unknown that was sold at his lowest point for a one pitch reliever and a 4th outfielder. The Indians would need Clase to be Aroldis Chapman in order to come out ahead.

     

    I don't agree that Kay, who was the headliner on that deal, is anything close to Duran. Again, that was immediately seen as a light return, and one of the points of contention. So many other teams could have beat that if that's where the price was.

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    You don't think there was a thought in NY of, if we trade Syndergaard we can re-sign Wheeler? 

     

    I think the best chance of acquiring a starter via trade is calling up the Rockies and saying you'll take on Wade Miley's contract and ask them what else they want for Jon Gray.

     

    They aren't taking on enough salary to prevent a run at Donaldson or a high end RP.

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    You don't think there was a thought in NY of, if we trade Syndergaard we can re-sign Wheeler? 

     

    I think the best chance of acquiring a starter via trade is calling up the Rockies and saying you'll take on Wade Miley's contract and ask them what else they want for Jon Gray.

     

    They aren't taking on enough salary to prevent a run at Donaldson or a high end RP.

     

    Ummm, Wade Miley just signed with the Reds.....assume you mean Wade Davis who has one year at $17 million with an option/$1 million buyout left.

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    From what I've seen there's very few industry reporters that think Cleveland did well. Kluber is an unknown that was sold at his lowest point for a one pitch reliever and a 4th outfielder. The Indians would need Clase to be Aroldis Chapman in order to come out ahead.

     

    I don't agree that Kay, who was the headliner on that deal, is anything close to Duran. Again, that was immediately seen as a light return, and one of the points of contention. So many other teams could have beat that if that's where the price was.

    MLB Pipeline disagrees with you. They have Kay/Woods with the exact same FV as Thorpe/Duran.

     

    Fangraphs actually had Kay/Woods with a slightly higher FV.

    I'll update when Fangraphs updates their Blue Jay rankings for 2020.

     

    As for Kluber, you can't possibly know that they traded him at his lowest point. If he's cooked, as I believe he might be, then he'd have negative value at the deadline, and the Indians would need to include a prospect just to dump his salary.

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