José Berríos Traded to Blue Jays

Just now, Bomba2026 said:

Well everyone seems really happy....Because when you have the worst team in BB you want to trade away your Best Pitcher.  Berrios had a year left so what was the hurry? If the Twins could score a run when he pitched he'd have a good record so don't blame him. The Twins are full of Prospects and they all love to give up runs in the 8th innings....I think the Owner should trade the front office. Double curse of Eddie and Jose! 

BRAVO!!!

3 minutes ago, Bomba2026 said:

Well everyone seems really happy....Because when you have the worst team in BB you want to trade away your Best Pitcher.  Berrios had a year left so what was the hurry? If the Twins could score a run when he pitched he'd have a good record so don't blame him. The Twins are full of Prospects and they all love to give up runs in the 8th innings....I think the Owner should trade the front office. Double curse of Eddie and Jose! 

This would be the Eddie Rosario with a sub-.700 OPS, an 84 wRC+, and whose new team traded him away in 4 months?  That Eddie?

The hurry in trading Berrios is that if you wait to trade him until next year, your best case scenario is 1 top 100 prospect, and your worst case scenario is he needs Tommy John, and you can't even QO him for a comp pick, meaning you get literally nothing.

28 minutes ago, RpR said:

Buxton, Sano , Hicks the future of the Minnesota Twins, was all I heard 10 years ago, then came Rosario, Cave, Berrios, hmmm , we have beaten the Yankees once this year due to veterans added recently , those future of the Twins rookies were meh, even the best of them.

One of the TV announcers said during game a last week that the Twins not having a steady team is not good for them as people , especially children come to see their favorite players; kids are not going to become attached to a team where player are here today and gone tomorrow which is what is going on right now.

Not to split hairs here, but Buxton and Berrios were drafted in 2012, Rosario and Sano came up together with Rosario out homering Sano (at low A 21-20 IIRC) and Cave didn't come until 2018.  This current FO rolled dice on the pasts' highly regarded prospects but that lead to a good not great team, I have a feeling they want to try things their way now, if it works, then plenty of young fans will get attached, if not, then it's no different than the past decade plus

If the fans in the stands like the players they will PAY to come to the game. If the fans want to see Triple A ball they will pay way less to see the Saints....The dugout looks just as sad.  Half of the players worried about where they are going to end up and the other half just don't seem to mesh like they did in the Bomba era.... 

This trade and the Cruz trade were a clear win in a year to forget. By next spring we could have just received our top 3 prospects - we'll certainly have 5 in the major league top 100, and we even got players for Robles and Happ. Now I'd get Big Mike locked up, Byron locked up, and give the ball to Windor, Barnes et all, and also let's see big mouth Shoemaker on the mound this weekend.

4 minutes ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

No, the best case scenario for keeping Berrios in 2022 is that the team wins again and goes deep into the postseason—maybe even the World Series— and gives the fan base a fun, thrilling story to follow along with, and generates a ton of good will and positive media.

And my best case scenario is that Jeff Bezos bequeaths his fortune to me, and then I discover a formula for immaculate immortality.

1 hour ago, notoriousgod71 said:

Sweet, never play anyone over 25 then. They might suck at some point,

So, in other words, you don't want to be bothered with facts and to portray my statement as meaning what you have is absurd and petty.  Every losing team in the league is following similar practices, they just did not do it as well as the twins this year.  Yet, you assume all of the baseball executives operating the same way are stupid apparently.  

It’s probably exactly as likely that the Twins will regret trading Berrios as it is they’ll end up regretting not trading Buxton.

There was a good argument for keeping Berrios…but it begins and ends with 2022. Buxton? How much lower will offers be in the off season if he isn’t extended by then…if parties drift further, not closer, to an agreement? He’s not a guy I give huge money to, be he’s not a guy you can just let walk either.

Let's try and talk about this without jumping down each others' throats, shall we? Starting to get a little unconstructive the last couple comment pages, imo.

Seeing big names leave the team hurts, absolutely. For those eternal optimists like me, we have to finally admit that we really aren't going to win the World Series this year. 

I like the return on this trade. As Passan said "a massive haul for a year and a half of Berriors" Will be interesting to see what's hit Woods-Richardson the past six weeks. He was having a nice season and then late June everything fell apart. Maybe the Olympics prep messed him up a bit?

17 minutes ago, Bomba2026 said:

If the fans in the stands like the players they will PAY to come to the game. If the fans want to see Triple A ball they will pay way less to see the Saints....The dugout looks just as sad.  Half of the players worried about where they are going to end up and the other half just don't seem to mesh like they did in the Bomba era.... 

The Twins are tied for 2nd in MLB in HR's, the "Bomba Era" was 2 years ago, last full season, I'd like the focus to be on building a legit WS contender, not selling tickets for the sake of selling tickets, "if you win it, they will come (and make the P-dogs that much richer)"

4 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Given he might not play this year, I don't think his value is more/less in the off season than now. Unlike Berrios. But then, I'd sign Buxton to a deal. 

I predict there is a Buxton deal in the next 7 days!

Yeah…that’s a good point….in my brain, I had him back by playoff time.

Need to trade him this off season if you haven’t signed him by then, though. I’m very ok (happy) signing Buxton for something close to the rumored numbers. But not substantially more, IMO.

We’ll see!

4 hours ago, In My La Z boy said:

Throw in Joe Ryan and we now have 3 new prospects for our top 10. Where will these new guys slot in do you think?

Not to single you out, but....teams don not win a world serious, just based on prospects.  I'd rather have LA Makina

4 minutes ago, se7799 said:

Not to single you out, but....teams don not win a world serious, just based on prospects.  I'd rather have LA Makina

No, but do they put themselves in position for a legitimate (key word) chance in the future, especially after a lost season.  Much like the Cubs, Astros, Royals have done in recent memory, and like the Padres and White Sox are in the middle of doing.

La Z Boy noted above about “getting Big Mike locked up” in a new contract. The other day I read that Pineda hoped he would not be trade—said he liked pitching as a Twins player. I wonder if his agent and Falvine have an understanding about a new contract for him. That could explain why he was not traded. Of course, other reasons could be he is hurt or teams were trying to low-ball the Twins. I am glad Mike is still on the Twins. I like players, particularly starting pitchers, who want to stay on the team. 

1 minute ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

I made an honest reply to you.

This next reply of yours is unserious.

The deadline is past. The roster going into 2022 is the essentially the same roster of 2019 and 2020, but with worse pitching.

 

Ummm, the 2022 Twins going deep into the playoffs is not a serious response.  It seems ridiculous to say the roster is the same, except the pitching's worse.  That's like saying (had he not come back) that the Packers roster is the same, but the quarterbacking is worse.  There is no straightforward path to improve the pitching sufficiently in 2022 to seriously compete for a World Series.  Alternatively, if Falvine is able to work their magic, and turn Duran, Balazovic, Ryan, Winder, Strotman, etc. into quality big league options, than Berrios is hardly a must, and trading him for additional players and $10M to $12M to put towards another starter is a win.

29 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

This must be Christmas morning for prospect lovers. I watch the MLB team only, so I might as well check out the rest of 2021 and 2022. 

It's not about being "prospect lovers", it's about understanding how recently successful (WS winning) baseball teams are being constructed in today's world.  In 2012 the Cubs, Astros, Twins were talked about in the same breath because they were the worst teams, 2 of those teams took a path that led them to WS champions, the other took a stubborn  "we can compete every year approach regardless of reality" and here we are today; watching the Padres, White Sox reap the benefits of following an intelligent plan and the middle-of-rebuilding Tigers lead this team by 6 games 2/3 the way through the season.

5 hours ago, notoriousgod71 said:

Acquiring prospects does nothing for me. They'll either be awful and we'll keep them too long or they'll be good and we'll trade them for more prospects. At no point will this formula amount to winning unless you keep your good players

The Rays seem to be pretty good at making the playoffs while keeping young unknown players on a low payroll. I believe Falvine is striving for this model and this trade deadline is kick starting it.

6 minutes ago, Bigfork Twins Guy said:

The Rays seem to be pretty good at making the playoffs while keeping young unknown players on a low payroll. I believe Falvine is striving for this model and this trade deadline is kick starting it.

It's about time this team attempts to "kick start" an actual winning culture

2 hours ago, se7799 said:

Not to single you out, but....teams don not win a world serious, just based on prospects.  I'd rather have LA Makina

I think we can all agree we'd rather have Berrios on this team forever. That isn't remotely the point, that isn't possible, and Jose wasn't taking us to the World Series this year. Business of baseball is important. You and I don't have to like it. I am sad about losing him, but not taking this deal would have been front office malpractice of the highest order.

Trading Berrios makes all the sense in the world with one major exception: The fact that the Twins had a chance to compete in 2022.

I think trading Jose is a very clear indicator that the Twins' Brass does not see the team as a contender next season, which I think is very pessimistic considering the team actually has a lot of good pieces in place. I fully understand that baseball is a business and sometimes you have to make moves you don't really want to make, but I just don't see how you make this move if you expect to compete in 2022. 

At this point, I don't know what to expect from the 2022 Twins. However, I expect to see the bottom drop out of the 2021 Twins who just traded their two best players.