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  • How Long of Leash Will Chris Archer Get?


    Cody Christie

    Last season, fans grew frustrated as veterans J.A. Happ and Matt Shoemaker struggled through multiple turns in the rotation. Will Chris Archer get the same kind of leash in 2022?

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    Entering the 2021 season, the Twins had a clear plan for the club’s rotation. Kenta Maeda and José Berríos sat at the top of the rotation and were coming off tremendous 2020 seasons. J.A. Happ and Matt Shoemaker signed later in the offseason to add a veteran presence to the back of the rotation. On paper, the moves seemed justifiable as the team was coming off of back-to-back AL Central titles, and the front office had earned a level of trust from the fanbase. 

    Unfortunately, not much went right for the 2021 Twins. Happ started 19 games in Minnesota and posted a 6.77 ERA with a 1.59 WHIP before being traded at the deadline. Shoemaker’s results were even worse as he accumulated an 8.06 ERA with a 1.66 WHIP while allowing 15 home runs in 16 appearances. He ended up being demoted to Triple-A and eventually released. With few other starting options, the Twins were forced to keep trotting out both of these pitchers even while each was struggling. It was tough to watch in a disappointing season. 

    Flashforward to 2022, and Twins fans may have trepidation when it comes to any veteran pitcher. However, Chris Archer doesn’t fit the same mold as Happ and Shoemaker did in 2021. Last year’s veteran duo needed to be good for the team to have a chance to contend, and that didn’t happen. With no minor league season in 2020, many of Minnesota’s top pitching prospects weren’t going to be ready to contribute. That isn’t the case this season, as Archer may feel the team’s top prospects breathing down his neck from St. Paul. 

    Before signing Archer, Josh Winder had the upper hand to win the final rotation spot. Because of the shorter spring training, many teams must be creative in how they handle their pitching staff early in the season. Randy Dobnak’s injury forced the team to reevaluate the roster, and Archer’s signing is a result of the team needing more starting pitching depth. 

    Archer’s deal is very incentive-based, so the Twins don’t have as much of a financial commitment as they did with Happ’s $8 million deal last winter. There were plenty of rumors of the Twins looking to trade for other starting pitching, but those rumors didn’t come to fruition. Minnesota’s investment in Archer looks like a fallback option with the potential for there to still be some upside. Archer has been a great pitcher in the past, but there is a reason he was available this late in the winter.

    From Minnesota’s perspective, there are a few different scenarios that play out in the team’s favor. The first scenario is that Archer pitches well enough to stay in the rotation for the first couple of months of the season. That gets the team into June, when more of the team’s pitching prospects may be ready to contribute. At that time, the team can reevaluate what role Archer plays moving forward. Maybe Archer will have a renaissance season and surprise the baseball world, but his recent track record doesn’t point to this being a reality. 

    Another scenario can play out where Minnesota’s young pitching is throwing so well in the minors that they push Archer out of the rotation. Jordan Balazovic, Cole Sands, and Drew Strotman all project to be in St. Paul’s starting rotation, with Winder pitching out of the bullpen at the MLB level. The front office has tremendous faith in their young pitching, and this is the year the pipeline may pay dividends at the big-league level. 

    As a backup plan, Archer has some upside, and he certainly has something to prove. Hopefully, Minnesota learned something from last year’s debacle with veteran starting pitching. This may make Archer’s time in Minnesota a little shorter, but that can be forgotten if the team gets back to its winning ways.

    How long do you think Archer pitches in the Twins rotation? Should the team have a short leash with him? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion. 

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    I think a big part of the concern about Bundy/Archer comes from the poor track record of the front office when making this type of signing. When signing veteran starters who are highly questionable due to age or injury the teams failure rate has been frustratingly high. 

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    Does anyone know the duration of TOS symptoms that Archer has.  Do his fingers become numb after throwing a certain number of pitches and then this numbness goes away in a day or two or does the numbness appear after multiple outings and then lasts for weeks or months. Neither Phil Hughes or Matt Harvey have returned to their pre TOS levels. 

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    Rosters S/B temporally at 30, not 28.  Then at 28 for the rest of the year, not 26.  Just too many injuries and minor "tweaks" during the season that result in players being on the field when thay should be in the Training Room receiving treatment.  That is not in the best interest of the player, nor in the best interest of the team.  Expanded rosters - with a maximum content of pitchers - could indiscriminate use of the Injured List and the Ping-Pong bouncing of players between the minor leagues and the major leagues.  Further - the "40 Man Roster" is well past its prime.  It's high time that limit was increased to at least 45.  Especially and particularly for the teams that are not in a financial position to indiscriminately sign high ticket free agents and instead rely on the draft and the development of organizational player depth through the signing of international free agents in addition to the attempted reclamation of players discarded by other organizations.      

     

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    7 hours ago, KFEY93 said:

    Berrios is so overrated by the general Twins fans populace its astounding.

    Ah, just an fyi or fwiw ... he received the fourth most votes by writers of The Athletic to win the Cy Young this year. National articles hold Jose Berrios in very, very  high regard and have for quite some time now.  It is actually Twins fans who underrated him, if anything.

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    17 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

    Anyone know what Archer's velocity was in his one start? Getting back to typical velocity in short order seems to be a pretty good tell tale sign if a guy is returning to form.

    In his handful of starts last year he was only sitting at about 92MPH, down from his typical 94-95. Just like with Bundy, if he doesn't get that velocity back, I don't like his chances.

    But at least with Archer, if it doesn't work out in the rotation, I'd be more than happy to give his +slider a shot in the pen.

    In his ST start they say he was sitting around 93-94 and hit 95 on TV

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    I personally worry more about Bundy than Archer. Also. I am a bit concerned with the way Rocco handles the pen. Who does he use as "piggyback" options? I saw a bit of some of the young guys in ST on TV and some looked good, but some looked like they should be sent back to AA to find out how to throw strikes! 

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    10 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

    Ah, just an fyi or fwiw ... he received the fourth most votes by writers of The Athletic to win the Cy Young this year. National articles hold Jose Berrios in very, very  high regard and have for quite some time now.  It is actually Twins fans who underrated him, if anything.

    Lol, then they are delusional as well in my mind. He has Cy Young type stuff for 2-3 games a year. And then is average to below average the rest of the year. Wake me when he wins a Cy young. 

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    4 hours ago, KFEY93 said:

    Lol, then they are delusional as well in my mind. He has Cy Young type stuff for 2-3 games a year. And then is average to below average the rest of the year. Wake me when he wins a Cy young. 

    Fair enough to dislike Jose Berrios as a pitcher. One never needs to accept that some players gain All Star status, large salaries, or high rankings through various means. Hopefully the disdain for Berrios is not tied to the fact he wouldn't sign with the Twins for their price and/or that he is now with Toronto. It is just his job after all. Plenty of Twins fans were not completely enamored with Berrios, yet he remains a consensus top 25 starting pitcher in MLB.

    Chris Archer was once held in high regard too, before injuries set him back. Archer looked good in his brief appearance in Spring Training and it will be interesting to see if he can regain his command of what was previously a solid repertoire of pitches.

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