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  • Hildenberger (And Gee) Gets The Call


    Seth Stohs

    Twins Daily has learned and confirmed (from a person with direct knowledge) that right-hander relief pitcher Trevor Hildenberger will be called up to the Twins on Friday. When the 26-year-old gets into a game, it will be his major league debut.

    In addition, the Twins will call up RHP Dillon Gee, who they just signed on Wednesday to a minor league contract. Nik Turley was optioned to Rochester following his Thursday night outing in which he recorded just two outs. Also Ehire Adrianza was placed on the 10-day disabled list.

    UPDATE - The Twins announced the Alex Wimmers and Mason Melotakis were DFAd to make room for Gee and Hildenberger.

    The Twins head to Cleveland for a three-game series starting Friday night.

    The Twins will need to make two 40-man roster decisions to make room for Hildenberger and Gee.

    Image courtesy of Seth Stohs, Twins Daily (photo of Trevor Hildenberger)

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    Last week, the Twins called up hard-throwing Alan Busenitz from Rochester. In an article on Busenitz, we mentioned that Trevor Hildenberger was also very deserving.

    The side-arming righty was the Twins Daily choice for Minor League Relief Pitcher of the Year in 2015 and again in 2016.

    In 21 games for Rochester this season, he is 2-1 with six saves. In 30.2 innings, he has allowed 27 hits, walked eight and struck out 35.

    Following Thursday night's game, Hildenberger got the news every ballplayer wants to hear. And, he was able to share it with a couple of very important people. Hildenberger said, "It was awesome having my parents in Rochester and being able to tell them face-to-face."

    Hildenberger's story is a great one. He was the 22nd-round pick of the Twins in 2014 out of Cal-Berkeley. He was at Berkeley for five years (a redshirt year), and he barely got on the mound until his fourth year because of a change he made on the mound.

    As he told Seth in the Twins Prospect Handbook 2016, "It started back at the end of my third year at Cal-Berkeley when my teammate wore the wrong number jersey to practice. My pitching coach, Mike Neu, commented on what he pictured when he saw my teammate's number. I asked him what he pictured when he saw my number 26, and he said a sidearm pitcher because UCLA and Washington both had sidearm relief pitchers with the number 26. At that point in time, I had thrown a cumulative 12 innings in three years and was clearly not effective enough to compete. So he asked me to throw a bullpen from a lower arm angle. I obliged, not realizing it was a permanent change. He liked what he saw and sent me off to summer ball in Bend, Oregon, in the summer of 2012 to refine my new style and experience some growing pains."

    The change worked. He had a great final season at Cal, got drafted and on Thursday night, received the call that every baseball player hopes for, a call to the big leagues.

    Hildenberger is comfortable with himself now as a pitcher and what it takes for him to be successful. In that same article, he said, "I really pride myself on throwing strikes with all three of my pitches, and the ones over the top too. If I get to a 3-2 count, I have no problem throwing from side-arm, fastball, changeup or slider. I really believe I can put it in the strike zone when I need to."

    At Berkeley, Hildenberger majored in American Film and Media. It's something he has a passion for. He told us, "I'm a big movie guy. I wrote about film a lot in college. I watch films that are a bit more off the beaten path, some foreign films or independent films that are played in really small theaters.

    But it's on the pitcher's mound that Hildenberger has dominated, really since signing back in 2014. Like Busenitz, Hildenberger has earned his promotion.

    The 22nd-round pick becomes the first member of the Twins 2014 draft to reach the big leagues. If healthy, it's likely both Nick Burdi and Jake Reed would be up too, and John Curtiss is certainly a name to watch as he's dominating in AA. Nick Gordon was the team's top pick, and he's put up an all-star first half in Chattanooga.

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    Obviously, yes, it's a bigger deal for the Twins. But it wasn't clear that Chargois' injury was serious until the last couple weeks. And the team arguably didn't have as much need for the 40-man spot in April.

    In the Twins defense, they still don't have much need for a 40 man roster spot.

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    It was clear he was injured in April. Frankly, that should have been all that mattered to change his status from optioned to DL. But it wasn't. Once again the Twins organization is bowing down to the almighty dollar. That's why they remain a second rate organization.

    This doesn't make much sense. They haven't had a need for a 40 man spot, so why would they give up money and service time for nothing?

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    Congrats on the call up! It is deserved. Also, clearly the secret to his success is spending time in Bend, OR, one of the most beautiful places on the planet.

     

    I hope the Twins are patient, and let him pitch up here for some time.

     

    On Gee.....this is what happens when you make zero moves to fix the SP in the off season, despite having the worst (or close to it) starting staff in MLB the previous year.

    So now you're advocating they should have signed more veterans last offseason to block younger pitchers for even longer coming into the year?

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    This doesn't make much sense. They haven't had a need for a 40 man spot, so why would they give up money and service time for nothing?

     

    I'm surprised they haven't filed a grievance, since it appears he was hurt in MN. 

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    It was clear he was injured in April.  Frankly, that should have been all that mattered to change his status from optioned to DL.  But it wasn't.  Once again the Twins organization is bowing down to the almighty dollar.  That's why they remain a second rate organization.

    It wasn't clear that Chargois was injured when they optioned him.  He even made a couple appearances in AAA before he hit the DL there.  That's a bit different case than most guys who have options rescinded.  I wouldn't jump to blame the Twins here, it may not really be possible to do this.

     

    I don't think it's likely, but hypothetically, if Chargois did get service time for the entire 2017 season, he still wouldn't be arbitration eligible until after the 2019 season at the earliest.  And he would still have 2 minor league options years remaining after this season, meaning we could option him back to the minors in 2018 and even 2019 if we so desired and potentially push back that arb timeline further (although he'd be 27-28 years old by then, and his arb salary is likely negligible if he's getting optioned those seasons).

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    I'm surprised they haven't filed a grievance, since it appears he was hurt in MN.

    Maybe, but he also never let them know he was hurt trying to win a spot out of spring.

     

    And he did reinjure himself since the original spring training injury.

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    In the Twins defense, they still don't have much need for a 40 man roster spot.

    True.  Although in relative terms, it's a slightly greater need now than before, but yeah, if not Haley, then Breslow is still a pretty obvious cut candidate.  And Gee likely will be too after our doubleheader next Saturday.

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    Maybe, but he also never let them know he was hurt trying to win a spot out of spring.

    And he did reinjure himself since the original spring training injury.

     

    right, we don't know....but if I'm him, I at least think about it. Especially with his injury history, it might be some of his real pay.

     

    It kind of reinforces the thought that trying to play thru an arm injury (or any) for a pitcher is a bad idea....

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    I don't want to derail this thread.

    Seems like a relevant point with Gee now getting the call.

     

    Signing another vet starter in the spring made sense, but the cost would be pushing Berrios and Mejia further down the depth chart coming in, and also not giving May first crack at a spot in the rotation.

     

    The front office really only had two options. Sign a vet and push prospects back or backfill with minor league signings and scrambling when it blows up. It's the consequence of mediocre pitching in the system they inherited.

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    I'm surprised they haven't filed a grievance, since it appears he was hurt in MN. 

    It's not really clear.  Chargois was optioned on March 24.  He was inactive for the first ~10 days of the minor league season, can't remember the exact timeline and reporting on his health from that period, but he made two relatively successful appearances there before his current malady was confirmed on April 28.  If that met the standard of a grievance, I think we'd see a whole ton of them.

     

    I thought Alex Meyer had a much better case last year, when he was optioned and was never deemed healthy enough to pitch until he was traded almost 3 months later.

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    right, we don't know....but if I'm him, I at least think about it. Especially with his injury history, it might be some of his real pay.

     

    It kind of reinforces the thought that trying to play thru an arm injury (or any) for a pitcher is a bad idea....

    Plus, if he shut it down earlier and didn't try and pitch through it, he might be healthy by now.

     

    It's just rarely black and white at the moment, between injury and soreness.

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    True. Although in relative terms, it's a slightly greater need now than before, but yeah, if not Haley, then Breslow is still a pretty obvious cut candidate. And Gee likely will be too after our doubleheader next Saturday.

    Turley, Wimmers, Haley in addition to Breslow. Still some guys to go if needed.

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    The front office really only had two options. Sign a vet and push prospects back or backfill with minor league signings and scrambling when it blows up. It's the consequence of mediocre pitching in the system they inherited.

    They could have done like the Rangers -- sign Gee to a minor league deal around opening day and call him up for long relief or a spot start later.  Then cut him or keep him as needed going forward.  Frankly he could have been on the roster for the last 2 months and been more useful than Breslow (admittedly a low bar to clear).

     

    Seems like we hitched our cart to the wrong horses a bit in Vogelsong and Tepesch (and of course Breslow).

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    Seems like a relevant point with Gee now getting the call.

    Signing another vet starter in the spring made sense, but the cost would be pushing Berrios and Mejia further down the depth chart coming in, and also not giving May first crack at a spot in the rotation.

    The front office really only had two options. Sign a vet and push prospects back or backfill with minor league signings and scrambling when it blows up. It's the consequence of mediocre pitching in the system they inherited.

     

    I would have put Hughes in the bullpen, and signed a FA starter. I said something similar before the season, that I did not think Hughes would make it as a starter this year, and that they should move him to the bullpen.

     

    I, not being a FO person, so not knowing every possible option, would have probably also signed different AAA types. but since I don't spend all my time looking at AAA types, I couldn't tell you who.

     

    We know that teams need 8-10 starters a year. They did not line up 8-10 starters before the season, unless people thought Hughes could be a starter. Obviously losing May hurt.

     

    They also failed to trade Dozier. Rightly or wrongly, they did not turn their 1 legit asset they could afford to trade into anything for the future. 

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    It wasn't clear that Chargois was injured when they optioned him.  He even made a couple appearances in AAA before he hit the DL there.  That's a bit different case than most guys who have options rescinded.  I wouldn't jump to blame the Twins here, it may not really be possible to do this.

     

    I don't think it's likely, but hypothetically, if Chargois did get service time for the entire 2017 season, he still wouldn't be arbitration eligible until after the 2019 season at the earliest.  And he would still have 2 minor league options years remaining after this season, meaning we could option him back to the minors in 2018 and even 2019 if we so desired and potentially push back that arb timeline further (although he'd be 27-28 years old by then, and his arb salary is likely negligible if he's getting optioned those seasons).

     

     

    No, he did not.  He made two appearances in late April (20th and 25th - more than two weeks after the first game of the season) because they thought he was ready.  If he had been on the MLB DL, they would have been considered rehab appearances.  

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    Turley, Wimmers, Haley in addition to Breslow. Still some guys to go if needed.

    I was already assuming Wimmers was gone, and I mentioned Haley (I get cutting losses, but wasting all these months on him for absolutely nothing would hurt a bit).  Turley would get claimed, which might not be a big deal, but I think it would be premature before we've given him a real bullpen trial at Rochester first.

     

    Breslow is the obvious guy to everybody but the FO, but beyond that, we don't have quite as many obvious cut candidates as two months ago (Danny Santana and Michael Tonkin, plus O'Rourke to the 60-day DL).  Although Palka is moving toward that point, for me.  Not enough of a need yet to call the league office about weird DL machinations with Chargois, of course!

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    They could have done like the Rangers -- sign Gee to a minor league deal around opening day and call him up for long relief or a spot start later. Then cut him or keep him as needed going forward. Frankly he could have been on the roster for the last 2 months and been more useful than Breslow (admittedly a low bar to clear).

     

    Seems like we hitched our cart to the wrong horses a bit in Vogelsong and Tepesch (and of course Breslow).

    Yes, they did sign minor league guys and they were the wrong ones. You dip in that pool the results are likely to be poor, as we have seen. Getting value out of minor league signings is the exception.

     

    I don't think citing Gee is much of a change from what they actually did.

     

    Just saying "they should have done more to fix the rotation" while also demanding they create space for prospects is so lame and contradictory, but of course so remarkably consistent in its own impressive way.

     

    (And I realize that you specifically are not saying this)

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    I would have put Hughes in the bullpen, and signed a FA starter. I said something similar before the season, that I did not think Hughes would make it as a starter this year, and that they should move him to the bullpen.

     

    I, not being a FO person, so not knowing every possible option, would have probably also signed different AAA types. but since I don't spend all my time looking at AAA types, I couldn't tell you who.

     

    We know that teams need 8-10 starters a year. They did not line up 8-10 starters before the season, unless people thought Hughes could be a starter. Obviously losing May hurt.

     

    They also failed to trade Dozier. Rightly or wrongly, they did not turn their 1 legit asset they could afford to trade into anything for the future.

    The vet signing and Hughes bullpen is a good option, would have played out ok anyways.

     

    But outside if that, trading Dozier for an injured AAA starter and signing better pitchers to minor league deals would not have worked, I don't think they really exist. Relievers yes, starters almost non-existant.

     

    They went into the season with 7 guys and some minor league deals amd a wildcard in Haley. They maybe could have added another starter by pushing Hughes to the pen, but that would have been giving up Haley.

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    No, he did not.  He made two appearances in late April (20th and 25th - more than two weeks after the first game of the season) because they thought he was ready.  If he had been on the MLB DL, they would have been considered rehab appearances.  

    Those appearances came before he hit the minor league DL, just as I stated.  I also admitted his missed the first ~12 days of the minor league season -- Rochester's first game played was April 8, and Chargois debuted on April 20  -- but he did not hit the DL during that time so it's quite possible the injury was still changing/developing.

     

    I'm not familiar with the timeline of his health reports from March 24 through April 28 -- there could be evidence there for a grievance, but I'm not sure the presence of such evidence is likely.  Players don't undergo medical evaluations when they are optioned -- if he pitched at all in minor league camp after that, he probably wouldn't have a case, even if he hadn't appeared in those two AAA games.  We all know that "injured" isn't really a binary status in real-world actual health, but for the purposes of rosters and transactions, it pretty much is.

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    The vet signing and Hughes bullpen is a good option, would have played out ok anyways.

    But outside if that, trading Dozier for an injured AAA starter and signing better pitchers to minor league deals would not have worked, I don't think they really exist. Relievers yes, starters almost non-existant.

    They went into the season with 7 guys and some minor league deals amd a wildcard in Haley. They maybe could have added another starter by pushing Hughes to the pen, but that would have been giving up Haley.

     

    No idea why they get a pass on teh Haley thing. He's a non-factor, that they played games to get, and not spend money to do so. Losing Haley means nothing to this team, or any team, imo. He also took up valuable 25 man roster space, on a team desperate for pitching of any value/use.

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    None of what you say change the fact that Chargois was obviously injured at the start of the season. If he wasn't hurt, he would have pitched. Chargois isn't a doctor. He's not necesarily going to know the difference between pain and injury.

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    No idea why they get a pass on teh Haley thing. He's a non-factor, that they played games to get, and not spend money to do so. Losing Haley means nothing to this team, or any team, imo. He also took up valuable 25 man roster space, on a team desperate for pitching of any value/use.

    I'm not sure I'm giving them a pass. They took a shot om the guy and looks like it provided no benefit.

     

    The front office has not been flawless in their decisions obviously. But there were also working with terrible pitching depth, some bad contracts, and the need to break in some prospects. Did limit the options a little. Still not an excuse for Belisle and Breslow tho.

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    Yes, they did sign minor league guys and they were the wrong ones. You dip in that pool the results are likely to be poor, as we have seen. Getting value out of minor league signings is the exception.

    I don't think citing Gee is much of a change from what they actually did.

    While the returns are generally modest and often non-existent, I think there is some skill involved in minor league free agency.  If Vogelsong was uninterested in any kind of minor league assignment, he was probably a bad idea from day 1.  People often say how "low risk" such moves are, because they don't involve much money or actual regular season roster spots, but minor league signings/invites are not truly unlimited.  Vogelsong's spot could have gone to a better player (Yusmeiro Petit?) or at least one who offered more flexibility for a minor league assignment like Gee.

     

    And I think Gee was a better option than Tepesch, considering the role they were asked to fill.  Gee has been consistently mediocre for awhile now, while Tepesch has less experience, had a 4.0 K/9 in his last MLB season of 2014, missed all of 2015, and returned with a 4.8 K/9 in AAA in 2016.

     

    And of course Breslow, whose signing I supported at the time, but probably not if I knew they were fine with him sucking up a short relief mop-up spot indefinitely...

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    None of what you say change the fact that Chargois was obviously injured at the start of the season. If he wasn't hurt, he would have pitched. Chargois isn't a doctor. He's not necesarily going to know the difference between pain and injury.

    He pitched through most of spring training, disclosed his pain soon after he was optioned.

     

    Should the team automatically know the difference between injury, soreness, and just poor performance for someone with minimal track record?

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    None of what you say change the fact that Chargois was obviously injured at the start of the season. If he wasn't hurt, he would have pitched. Chargois isn't a doctor. He's not necesarily going to know the difference between pain and injury.

    That's all fine and likely true, but it's also all likely meaningless in terms of MLB rules and roster status.  The first stages of injury are often not retroactively actionable.

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    Thanks for that last sentence! :)

     

    While the returns are generally modest and often non-existent, I think there is some skill involved in minor league free agency. If Vogelsong was uninterested in any kind of minor league assignment, he was probably a bad idea from day 1. People often say how "low risk" such moves are, because they don't involve much money or actual regular season roster spots, but minor league signings/invites are not truly unlimited. Vogelsong's spot could have gone to a better player (Yusmeiro Petit?) or at least one who offered more flexibility for a minor league assignment like Gee.

     

    And I think Gee was a better option than Tepesch, considering the role they were asked to fill. Gee has been consistently mediocre for awhile now, while Tepesch has less experience, had a 4.0 K/9 in his last MLB season of 2014, missed all of 2015, and returned with a 4.8 K/9 in AAA in 2016.

     

    And of course Breslow, whose signing I supported at the time, but probably not if I knew they were fine with him sucking up a short relief mop-up spot indefinitely...

    They have Gee now, so we shall see.

     

    I always saw Vogelsong as day 1 insurance, possible recovery of (minimal) value, not longer term depth.

     

    The Twins had a pretty clear first 7. That does impact somewhat the type of minor league signing you can make. Tepesch types are what you get.

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    Options can be rescinded.  Here's a few examples:

     

    http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/clubhouse_insider/2017/06/robbie_ross_jr_added_to_big_league_disabled_list_after

     

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/123392352/seattle-mariners-tyler-olson-placed-on-15-day-dl-option-rescinded/

     

    http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/rockies-rescind-option-on-chacin-who-goes-on-dl-34243235-050712

     

    Obviously Chargois was optioned a while ago, so I'm not sure it would be quite so straightforward, and it would be the 60-day DL rather than the 15-day DL, but I'm also not finding any language anywhere yet that strictly prohibits it.  It's an odd area of transactional rules, to be sure!  It seems that, as long as their is no dispute about his health and timeline for return, he and the player's union would welcome the MLB back pay and service time (plus freeing up a spot for an additional union member?).

     

    Otherwise, you are correct that there doesn't appear to be a direct mechanism for moving a player from a minor league DL to the MLB 60-day DL. Per Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disabled_list#Minor_League_Baseball

     

    Interesting info.

     

    That said, in our case there's plenty of 40 man chaff that can be let go... but I can see a scenario where this makes sense.  I'm sure the player won't mind getting major league pay (and back pay) along with a crack at FA quite a bit sooner.

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