Gleeman & The Geek, Ep 265: Replacing Terry Ryan

Gleeman did not even bring up Ryan's disregard for advanced analytics, which was arrogant and damaging to this franchise.  Ryan actually was very smug with people who asked him about this, early on in the movement.

Very frustrating to hear John, whom I have a great deal of respect for his baseball acumen, take such a odd stance.

It is his opinion, though, and he is allowed to have it.

I think John and Aaron are in need of counseling after the battle I just listened to.  

John, I'm embarrassed for your performance last night. A string of 90 loss seasons followed up by this year's likely 100 loss season isn't bad enough to fire a GM? His total disdain for statistical analysis doesn't add enough to the record to fire him? How about Nolasco and Hughes contracts? Not enough, yet? You gotta be kidding!

OK, we "borrowed" Jepson from Tampa Bay for about half a season and gave up Chi-We Hu (forgive spelling) for the privilege. Sano to right field? Berrios still in Rochester? The record of losses, bad decisions, and mishandling of players is almost beyond imagination.

The man outlived his value years ago. That you still think he deserved more time is just goofy.

Wow, Bonnes. Wow.

I'm flabbergasted by what I'm listening to and by the comments above.

First, John has every right to have his own opinion. He stated his opinion respectfully as one take on the matter and Gleeman responded as if he simply cannot accept the fact that John sees a matter differently. He didn't then proceed enter a thoughtful debate. He acted offended and disgusted that John has a different opinion. 

Aaron, it is okay if you and John don't agree. Just afford him some dignity and respect. You can explain why you see the matter differently without getting  frustrated that he doesn't agree.

As a grown-up listener, I felt a little embarrassed by Aaron's reaction, so I decided to check the comments and most of you agree with Gleeman? Do most people feel there can't be any variance in viewpoint?

Wow.

I may need to rethink my involvement in this community.

John, kudos to you for keeping a cool head and refusing to rise to the bait.

Here's to a better one next time.

John was definitely right at the end: Aaron was the ornery one. John, of course, was the crazy one.

Dare I say I actually enjoyed this one, though the frustrating part for me was the way both John and Aaron looked only at TR's tenure as a whole. I think it's perfectly fair to say that Ryan had a solid run in his first go-round, but that the new school game had passed him by by his second stint.

I look at TR's moves from 2011-2016, and I don't see many decisions that can be labeled successes--and those that could have been were undercut by decisions to hold onto guys rather than sell high, decisions to extend guys, or both. This doesn't take anything away from TR's first tenure as GM, but I'm very comfortable saying that 16 years into the 21st century, he's not the guy I want running my baseball team.

I really enjoyed this episode. The passion on both sides was great. I will say that while I disagree with Johns take he was the more mature in how he handled the discussion. I think Aaron misunderstood some of Johns point though.

John if you care to respond to YLTs question above I'd be interested in your response.

Really embarrassing performance by Bonnes. There really are no words. 

Really embarrassing performance by Bonnes. There really are no words. 

Is being embarrassed for a poster/administrator/content-provider the new formulation of an (unwarranted) personal attack that floats under the TOS?  I don't mean to run-around the mods.  But that's the second time that formulation emerged.  We can disagree without....this. 

Is being embarrassed for a poster/administrator/content-provider the new formulation of an (unwarranted) personal attack that floats under the TOS?  I don't mean to run-around the mods.  But that's the second time that formulation emerged.  We can disagree without....this. 

Well, I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean, but my post was not a "personal attack."

I listen to the podcast regularly. It was a very frustrating episode . . . Bonnes came out of nowhere to make a bizarre pro-Ryan argument with minimal justification. You can't talk about how the Twins are screwing up constantly and then turn around and say, that despite having said those 10,000 things, Ryan has done a good job and deserves more time.

Did Bonnes mean what he said on practically every other podcast? It makes zero sense. If he is going to put himself out there then it's fair game to call him out on this.

John had the opinion that Ryan should have been given another year, I believe, to allow the young players to get a little more time and see what more there is. John noted that he would have preferred Ryan stick around at least through the trade deadline. He said that the Twins from 2000-2010 were really good, some of the best years in the organization's history. That's a debatable idea, but it's certainly not crazy. John said that the playoffs are a crapshoot. I think most of us agree with that. 

 

It's possible to disagree without shutting down and calling the other person basically an idiot. But when someone is never wrong... 

That's the whole point, he knows better. How many times has the podcast covered the mishandling of trades, injuries, prospects, playing time, every possible aspect of the organization? Literally thousands.

OK, so there have been some good things. No one completely disputes that. It just has not been *enough* good things, and in any event the organization has serious ongoing problems that have not been addressed.

Things needed to change. Bonnes himself has been clear and unwavering on that point for the entire run of the podcast. Did that mean firing Ryan? Well, technically you could say not. But how do you fix the problems without doing that?

If he had a way, that would have been a perfectly fine position to take. But to advocate for the status quo was not a tenable position, by his own words and the obvious facts.

I stopped listening a long time ago, but I always appreciated you guys let it roll.

Sheesh, this guy's got a better backhand than Bjorn Borg.