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    Jeremy Nygaard

    Now that we’ve got to see Miguel Sano play third base for the better part of a month, it’s probably fair to say that he’s going to man the hot corner for the foreseeable future (or at least until Mauer moves on). The pop-ups that plagued him last year haven’t been an issue (yet) and the barehanded plays that he seems to make on a consistent basis are starting to prove the doubters wrong.

    And he’s taking walks and hitting bombs again.

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    Pre-arbitration extensions have been pretty popular around the league. There have been eight such deals in baseball since the end of the winter meetings. Though the Twins, who have a whole nucleus of players that fit in that pre-arb category, were not one of those teams.

    That should change with Sano.

    Currently, Sano is a 1+ player, which means that he’ll be a pre-arbitration (near minimum) player again in 2018. He’ll enter his first of three arbitration years in 2019 and will first be eligible to be a free agent after the 2021 season.

    Looking specifically at deals of players with 1+ year of experience, we need to look no further to find one than the most recent extension that was signed: The Cardinals and outfielder Stephen Piscotty. The two parties entered into an agreement that will earn Piscotty $1 million in each of the 2017 and 2018 seasons. He will earn $7 million in each of his first two scheduled arbitration years and $7.25 in what would be his final arbitration year and his first free agent season. The Cardinals hold an option at $15 million for the 2023 season with a $1 million buyout. Piscotty also got a $2 million signing bonus and is three years older than Sano. The formatting of this deal - the large jump into arbitration and the small jump into free agency - is definitely unique. He also was given a $2 million signing bonus. His guarantee is $32.5 million over the six years that begin next season.

    We can look further though to see, perhaps, a better comparison: Christian Yelich of the Marlins. Yelich was 24 when he signed his deal, a year older than Sano is currently. Yelich also holds an advantage in bWAR, both career-wise and in head-to-head seasons. Any potential deal should probably follow the Yelich framework. Scheduled to receive $570,000 and $1 million in his final two pre-arb years, Yelich will get a big bump during his arbitration years, earning $3.5 million, $7 million and $9.75 million. His first two free agent years are bought out at $12 million and $14 million. Then there is a team option for $15 million with a $1.25 million buyout. All told, Yelich is guaranteed $49 million from his 2+ year through two years of free agency plus an option (seven years).

    Using those two as models, what would an offer to Sano potentially look like?

    It would be fair to assume that the bump he’ll receive in his final pre-arb year (‘18) will be $1 million. Piscotty’s deal gives a significant bump in the first year of arbitration, but not the first year of free agency, which makes Yelich’s a more believable model.

    Looking at the Twins pre-arb extensions, they’ve used even jumps from arbitration years to the next. (Span was $1.75m and Dozier was $3m.) Using $3 million as a good starting point with $3.5 million increases, Sano would make $3 million, $6.5 million and $10 million.

    The part that I will always feel the Twins screwed up with Dozier’s deal was not buying out any free agent years. The Twins can’t make that mistake with Sano.

    Though the Marlins got two years of Yelich plus an option, I’m not going to suggest the Twins do the same with Sano. Mostly because I don’t think his reps would go for it. But my contention has always been that the tradeoff of cost-certainty for the team and guaranteed money for a young player isn’t fair. There has to be an added benefit for the team. And that comes in the form of a free agent year and a team option.

    The $12 million that Yelich is getting for his first free agent year is fair and the $15 million option that the teams are getting on both players are getting is also fair. As an added bonus for Sano, the team’s buyout will be $2.5 million, increasing the guarantee.

    Here’s the breakdown:

    2018: $1 million

    2019: $3 million (would be first arbitration year)

    2020: $6.5 million

    2021: $10 million

    2022: $12 million (would be first free agent year)

    2023: $15 million or $2.5 million buyout

    Six years and $35 million.

    Would you?

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    Yes, but most teams would keep it in house instead of having the press do their dirty work AND making public statements about it.

    I don't think that reflects reality. There's dirty laundry aired on all clubs, especially if they are losing.

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    I respectfully disagree.

    I've heard dirty laundry the last year on Arizona, Colorado, San Diego and LA Dodgers, and I stopped thinking about it after the NL West.

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    I've heard dirty laundry the last year on Arizona, Colorado, San Diego and LA Dodgers, and I stopped thinking about it after the NL West.

    How many of those were about the best player on their respective teams?

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    After looking at Sano's stats regarding how many games he has played in both minor and major, I just dont think you can sign him to any megadeal without first seeing if he can actually play a full season and be able to justify the kind of longevity and price some of you are talking about.

    Don't forget that minor league seasons are shorter.

     

    In 7 pro seasons to date, Sano has played "full" seasons in 5 of them.  He's only been on a disabled list twice: June 2016 (hamstring strain during the RF experiment), and his 2014 TJ season.  29 starts in a row to begin 2017 too.

     

    There are reasons to question some of the bigger mega-contract proposals we've seen on this thread, but durability doesn't seem to be one of them.  Especially now that we're committed to him at 3B/1B/DH.

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    What happens if Buxton ends the season with a .750 or better OPS? Who do you prioritize this offseason?

    And no, you can't say both. It's possible the Twins could lock up both but who do you target first and most aggressively?

     

    Sano, and not close. His comparables (Harper and Machado) are going to sign monster free agent contracts after 2018. This is the pretty much the last chance to lock him up.

     

    I still wouldn't mind more information on Buxton, though in your hypothetical scenario I would certainly be open to an extension.

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    What happens if Buxton ends the season with a .750 or better OPS? Who do you prioritize this offseason?

    And no, you can't say both. It's possible the Twins could lock up both but who do you target first and most aggressively?

     

    Sano. IMO, he's a lot less risky as a hitter. And, he doesn't run into walls 2-5 times a year. 

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    Sano. IMO, he's a lot less risky as a hitter. And, he doesn't run into walls 2-5 times a year. 

    Yeah, Buxton's all-out play is something to consider. I don't believe the Twins should tell the guy to reel it in but the way he runs into things, injuries are always a concern.

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    Yeah, Buxton's all-out play is something to consider. I don't believe the Twins should tell the guy to reel it in but the way he runs into things, injuries are always a concern.

     

    right, don't hold him back, but that injury risk is legit, imo.

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    I've heard dirty laundry the last year on Arizona, Colorado, San Diego and LA Dodgers, and I stopped thinking about it after the NL West.

     

    This is not unique to the Twins, I don't care what anyone says.

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    Concussions lead to CTE, that is pretty traumatic. 

     

    Yes, like anything else one thing can lead to another if repeated.  Catastrophic is a buzz word in this scenario, not reality.

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    What happens if Buxton ends the season with a .750 or better OPS? Who do you prioritize this offseason?

    And no, you can't say both. It's possible the Twins could lock up both but who do you target first and most aggressively?

    Buxton is more valuable long term, but could be done after 2018.  Sano window is shorter, I would start  with Sano.  Buxton's contract will also be less, possibly much less and probably only cover 1 to 2 FA years, to me Sano is the new face of the franchise, let's pay him.  Also his skill does not diminish as fast as other skills.  His hitting could well last to between 35 - 40 depending on how well he took care of himself.

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    What happens if Buxton ends the season with a .750 or better OPS? Who do you prioritize this offseason?

    And no, you can't say both. It's possible the Twins could lock up both but who do you target first and most aggressively?

    Lock them both up.

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    The problem with saying, extend Buxton NOW before he pulls too far out of his slump, or "we should have extended Sano last year", is that players and agents know the ebbs and flows of player performance too.  Guys generally aren't going to sign super-team-friendly deals at low points of performance.

     

    That said, I do hope the new front office is keeping an open dialog with realistic expectations in these situations, something I was not confident the old front office was doing.

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    What happens if Buxton ends the season with a .750 or better OPS? Who do you prioritize this offseason?

    And no, you can't say both. It's possible the Twins could lock up both but who do you target first and most aggressively?

    I'd lock up Sano first.  He's pretty much established whereas Buxton, while proving to belong now, still has a bit more to prove.  I think locking up Sano now and Buxton the next offseason (if not also now) would be a prudent move.

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    Frankly, for their sake, I hope they both get PAID. I don't care about the Pohlads having more money. The only reason I want an extension is so they get PAID, and the team has them around longer. But I want them to get their fair money.

     

    Couldn't agree more. It's better for the organization and the fans when 2 young, lovable, good players are locked in for a long time... Haven't seen that since the Mauer and Morneau days. 

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    I had a bigger picture thought here too. Assuming the Twins don't collapse and actually stick and end up in the 75-80ish win range, I would consider going extension crazy.

     

    Sano, Buxton, Dozier, Kepler, Polanco. I would do them all. Build off the momentum of an improved season, new front office, and push this as the next great core.

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    Sano, Buxton, Dozier, Kepler, Polanco. I would do them all.

    "One of these things is not like the other..."

     

    Dozier is 5 days shy of his 30th birthday. Unless you know something beyond the public statements he has made (about how important it was that his contract didn't buy out any free agent years), I don't see how extending Dozier is going to be a good deal right now.  Especially not when you're extending Polanco too and your top prospect is Nick Gordon.

     

    They can always bid on him after 2018 under the right circumstances.

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    "One of these things is not like the other..."

     

    Dozier is 5 days shy of his 30th birthday. Unless you know something beyond the public statements he has made (about how important it was that his contract didn't buy out any free agent years), I don't see how extending Dozier is going to be a good deal right now. Especially not when you're extending Polanco too and your top prospect is Nick Gordon.

     

    They can always bid on him after 2018 under the right circumstances.

    I wouldn't expect a discount on Dozier. Second contracts almost never are.

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    I had a bigger picture thought here too. Assuming the Twins don't collapse and actually stick and end up in the 75-80ish win range, I would consider going extension crazy.

     

    Sano, Buxton, Dozier, Kepler, Polanco. I would do them all. Build off the momentum of an improved season, new front office, and push this as the next great core.

     

    On that list, this would be my priority:

    Sano
    Buxton
    Kepler
    Polanco
    Dozier

     

    I wouldn't even talk to Dozier until the first 4 are locked up. 

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    Yes, but most teams would keep it in house instead of having the press do their dirty work AND making public statements about it.

     

    Right... I forgot that those big market fans and media outlets are so much mite forgiving. Wait... exactly the opposite.

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    I wouldn't expect a discount on Dozier. Second contracts almost never are.

    Then why do it?  Sounds like you are committing considerable resources elsewhere (with some discount), and it's not at all clear that 2B will be an area of need for us in 2019 and beyond (or whether Dozier, at age 32+, will be able to capably fill that need).

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    Then why do it?  Sounds like you are committing considerable resources elsewhere (with some discount), and it's not at all clear that 2B will be an area of need for us in 2019 and beyond (or whether Dozier, at age 32+, will be able to capably fill that need).

     

    Because he's good, and I want to keep good players.

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    Because he's good, and I want to keep good players.

    But if you are not getting a discount, then why extend? With no discount the team takes ALL the risk.

    If no discount, just sign him when he hits FA for the same price.

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