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    Seth Stohs

    We are ten days from the July trade deadline. Yesterday, Nick wrote about the Twins biggest need, behind the plate. But if catching is the team’s #1 need, would shortstop be #1b?

    Should the Twins continue to stand by young Danny Santana or turn things back to Eduardo Escobar? Should they look outside the organization for an option, or should they take a shot and hand over the job to Jorge Polanco?

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    Let’s start by considering the internal options.

    DANNY SANTANA

    A year ago, Santana was a surprise call-up to the Twins. He stuck and shocked most who had paid any attention to his minor league statistics. He hit .319 and showed good power to go with his speed. Of course, he played primarily centerfield instead of shortstop and finished seventh in American League Rookie of the Year voting.

    To call his sophomore season a slump would be kind. For the most part, 2015 has been a disaster for Santana. As I went to look at where his statistics compare to other MLB second baseman, I hit a wrong button and ended up with a report that showed me 248 players with 200 or more plate appearances. It was ranked by WAR and guess who came in at the bottom of the list? That’s right. Danny Santana’s -1.7 WAR is worst in baseball. 247th on that list was Jimmy Rollins at -0.9 WAR.

    Put another way, if the Twins had gone with a replacement level player such as Doug Bernier or Argenis Diaz instead of Santana this season, they likely would have had significantly better production from the shortstop position.

    Among 29 shortstops with over 200 plate appearances in 2015 Santana ranks last with a .241 on-base percentage and .547 OPS. His .306 slugging percentage ranks 27th of 29, while his .221 batting average comes in at 26th.

    Santana came into the season with the full support and backing of Terry Ryan and Paul Molitor. They wanted to give the 24-year-old every opportunity to improve. As late July approaches and the Twins remain a legitimate playoff hopeful, it’s hard to imagine he has too much more rope.

    One other consideration is that Santana is out of options in 2016.

    EDUARDO ESCOBAR

    Last year as a 25-year-old, Eduardo Escobar earned the Twins starting shortstop job. In fact, many would argue that he did enough to have been handed the gig in 2015. Of 32 shortstops who accumulated 300 plate appearances in 2014, Escobar ranked 21st with a 1.1 WAR.

    All spring, Escobar said the right things, but he had to be disappointed to return to a utility role. He has played in just 18 games at shortstop this year, less than Eduardo Nunez. Meanwhile, he has inexplicably played in 32 games in left field, including 27 starts. He has been average, or slightly below average at both positions.

    After hitting .275/.315/.406 (.721) with 35 doubles and six home runs a year ago, his bat hasn’t taken off this year. He is hitting .254/.284/.400 (.684) with 19 extra base hits. Although not great, it would be around average for an MLB shortstop.

    JORGE POLANCO

    Polanco’s Major League stat line looks pretty impressive. He has hit .333/.500/.667 (1.167). Of course, that’s just 12 plate appearances.

    Signed for his glove work as a 16-year-old in 2009, Polanco’s offense has been what has carried him to AAA and those short stints with the Twins. He played in 67 games with Chattanooga this season and hit .301/.347/.409 (.755) with 14 doubles, two triples and four home runs. Upon his promotion to AAA Rochester, he has hit .298/.317/.351 (.668) in 14 games.

    The issue with Polanco at this point looks like his ability to play shortstop. He had 16 errors and a .939 fielding percentage in AA. He has seven errors and an .865 fielding percentage in 14 games with the Red Wings. However, it is important to note that he had six errors in just his first six games for Rochester.

    EXTERNAL OPTIONS

    Or, do the Twins need to look outside for a shortstop? Here are a few options:

    JIMMY ROLLINS

    Last week on 1500ESPN.com, Phil Mackey wrote about a “somewhat crazy, yet realistic trade idea.” The 36-year-old Rollins is hardly playing better than the 24-year-old Santana. Hitting just .204/.259/.322 (.581). As mentioned above, his -0.9 WAR is second-worst to only Santana. He would certainly provide another veteran voice on the Twins roster, and I can’t imagine that it would take much of a prospect to acquire him.

    The Dodgers also have mega-prospect Corey Seager pretty much ready at AAA. Rollins had his 2015 option vest last year and is making $11 million. The hope would, of course, be that he would play like Orlando Cabrera did down the stretch in 2009.

    JEAN SEGURA

    25-year-old Jean Segura made his MLB debut as a 22-year-old in 2012. After one game, he was part of a trade that sent Zack Greinke from Milwaukee to the Angels. He has been the Brewers every day shortstop since the deal.

    In 76 games this year, he is hitting .276/.305/.346 (.650) with six doubles, three triple and three home runs. After stealing 44 bags in 2013 (when he was an All-Star), he stole 20 last year and has 13 this season. When the Twins played the Brewers, Segura’s effort-level was questioned on several occasions and that isn’t something new with him.

    Segura is making just $534,000 in 2015, but he will be arbitration-eligible after the 2015 season for the first time. The Twins would have his rights for the next three years which certainly makes him a bit more intriguing. Yet, it makes it less necessary for the Brewers to deal him, so the Twins would need to give up more to get him.

    ZACK COZART

    Cozart has been the shortstop for the Cincinnati Reds since 2012. He is making $2.35 million this year, his first arbitration-eligible season. In 53 games, he is hitting .258/.310/.459 with ten doubles and nine home runs. His .769 OPS so far in 2014 is over .110 points higher than his career average and one would assume that he would not hit for as much power in Target Field as he has with the Reds.

    The 29-year-old is very strong defensively up the middle. His range is average, but he is very steady and consistent. Since he still has two more years of control, I would expect the Reds to ask quite a bit for him.

    TROY TULOWITZKI

    Here is the name we all dream about, right? Tulowitzki was the seventh overall pick of that tremendous 2005 draft out of college and quickly got to the Rockies late in the 2006 season. Since then, he has played in five All-Star games, won two Gold Gloves and two Silver Slugger Awards.

    In 82 games this season, he is hitting .320/.365/.502 (.866) with 19 doubles, 12 homers and 52 RBI. His best years were 2009 through 2011. He has been one of the best offensive shortstops through much of his career.

    The concerns with Tulowitzki are clear. First, there will always be questions for a player who leaves the offensive-friendly confines of Coors Field. Second, Tulowitzki has not been able to stay on the field consistantly. He played just 47 games in 2012, 126 games in 2013, and 91 games in 2014. But when he is healthy, he puts up big numbers. Defensively, he has always been very good. He has average range, but a strong arm and steady hands. At 30, it’s fair to wonder aloud how long he would be able to remain at shortstop.

    And those numbers helped him sign a ten year, $157.7 million deal before the 2011 season. He has five years and $98 million remaining on the deal after this 2015 season. He will make $20 million each year from 2016 through 2019. He’ll make $14 million in 2020, and then he has an option for 2021 at $15 million with a $4 million buyout. There are also quite a few bonuses that he will get for MVP votes, All-Star appearances and other individual achievements.

    The other hurdle in a possible Tulo-to-the-Twins deal is the fact that the Twins would have to give up a ton to acquire the shortstop. Those trade negotiations likely start with a combination of J.O. Berrios and Jorge Polanco, and then the Twins would likely need to add a couple of more pieces as well. That level of prospect is what would motivate the Rockies to consider dealing their popular shortstop.

    So, what should the Twins do at shortstop? Up-the-middle defense is important. Nick wrote about the catcher position yesterday, and today we consider shortstops. The trade deadline is just ten days away. Put yourself in the GM's shoes and think about what is best for the organization, short-term and long-term. What would you do?

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      On 7/23/2015 at 2:43 AM, jimmer said:

    I am cautiously optimistic that Gibson has turned a corner, I certainly want that to be the case, but that doesn't mean based on everything I've written, that I feel compelled to discard any info in Gibson due to having so little to use to begin with.  What do we do with his last start?

     

    With any young player, isn't the most recent, consistent data the most relevant?  Do we hold 2012 against Dozier or worry more about the player he is today?

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      On 7/23/2015 at 2:43 AM, TheLeviathan said:

    1) He is currently above average by a decent margin.  So this is already wrong.

     

    2) "most pitchers are who they are" is deliberately holding something against him that wasn't within his control.  It's far more relevant to analyze how he has developed since his debut.

    He's above average by a decent margin based on what? Being tied for 57th out of 94 qualifying SPs in WAR? Being 59th out of 94 in FIP? 76th out of 94 in K/9?

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      On 7/23/2015 at 2:50 AM, jimmer said:

    He's above average by a decent margin based on what? Being tied for 57th out of 94 qualifying SPs in WAR? Being 59th out of 94 in FIP? 76th out of 94 in K/9?

     

    43rd in xFIP, 27th in ERA, 35th in soft contact - and all of that is with his god awful April dragging him down.  Since May he's been well above average.

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      On 7/23/2015 at 2:45 AM, TheLeviathan said:

    With any young player, isn't the most recent, consistent data the most relevant?  Do we hold 2012 against Dozier or worry more about the player he is today?

    Dozier's WAR his first year as a full time starter (2013) was a 2.6, then 4.8 and he's on pace for another high 4 WAR this year. I'm not sure Gibson and Dozier equate.  But I agree the last three years are the most prevalent for any player, assuming he has played that long. What have we seen in that time frame from Gibson?

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      On 7/23/2015 at 2:56 AM, jimmer said:

    Dozier's WAR his first year as a full time starter (2013) was a 2.6, then 4.8 and he's on pace for another high 4 WAR this year. I'm not sure Gibson and Dozier equate.  But I agree the last three years are the most prevalent for any player, assuming he has played that long. What have we seen in that time frame from Gibson?

     

    No equation was set up, please see the point for what it was, not what allows you to make a strawman.  Young players have to be watched in smaller samples by the nature of being new to the league.  We may be seeing the best we'll see from Gibson, but if he can maintain this it's an above average starting pitcher.  That's what I see the last three months and is the most relevant for evaluating his future.

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      On 7/23/2015 at 2:55 AM, TheLeviathan said:

    43rd in xFIP, 27th in ERA, 35th in soft contact - and all of that is with his god awful April dragging him down.  Since May he's been well above average.

    If we are dissecting his months...His God awful April?  With his ERA of 4.84? Are we ignoring his June? ERA of 4.70?

     

    Half his months this season, he's been at 4.70 ERA or higher.  Did his April and June drag him down or did his very good May and July pull him up?

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      On 7/23/2015 at 3:06 AM, jimmer said:

    If we are dissecting his months...His God awful April?  With his ERA of 4.84? Are we ignoring his June? ERA of 4.70?

     

    Half his months this season, he's been at 4.70 ERA or higher.  Did his April and June drag him down or did his very good May and July pull him up?

     

    Except his peripherals in June were similar to May and July, his peripherals in April don't even look like the same player.  

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      On 7/23/2015 at 3:09 AM, TheLeviathan said:

    Except his peripherals in June were similar to May and July, his peripherals in April don't even look like the same player.  

    except one of the three stats you JUST used to say he was above average was ERA. (while I used FIP, K/9 and WAR).  So we don;t use ERA on a month to month basis to evaluate? We toss out two months worth of ERA that drag him down and include the two months of ERA that don't and use the overall as a stat to point to as him being above average by a decent margin?

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      On 7/22/2015 at 3:01 AM, mike wants wins said:

    Santana is dead last among position players in WAR this year. Why is anyone comfortable with that?

    Because, Mike, the Twins need to desperately find a SS, and Santana is their best option right now. Not Escobar, Nunez, or Polanco. I have to hand it to Mollie, he knows this and has given Danny about 40 chances so far this year. And EVERYONE is right: he hasn't done the job this year so far. But...... the Twins were 9 games over .500 at the break, and does anyone think they would be significantly better if someone else in the Twins system had played there?

    Seth did a super job of explaining the options. The FA options next year are not exciting, to say the least.

    So what are you going to do, Twins fans? My choice, while not being the popular one on TD, would be to give Santana the job until further notice.

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      On 7/23/2015 at 3:12 AM, jimmer said:

    except one of the three stats you JUST used to say he was above average was ERA. (while I used FIP, K/9 and WAR)

    There is one month where every one of Gibson's stats is unlike the other months. That is April.

     

    As I pointed out in another thread, it wasn't hard to spot the evolution of Kyle Gibson going back to last year if you were paying attention. In 75-80% of his starts, he was either stellar (4 ER). IIRC, he had about five "mediocre" starts. That's... Strange. When examining a player in his first full season, that's a very promising sign even if the aggregate stats completely miss those nuances by adding stellar and awful to equal mediocre.

     

    Which is why you sometimes need to look past the aggregate stats when dealing with young players and why career stats are basically junk.

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      On 7/23/2015 at 3:12 AM, jimmer said:

    except one of the three stats you JUST used to say he was above average was ERA. (while I used FIP, K/9 and WAR).  So we don;t use ERA on a month to month basis to evaluate?

     

    Yes, let's continue to use ERA.  I'm evaluating Gibson based on consistent peripherals since May and the results those have yielded: an above average major league starter.  And yes, that includes one month where his ERA wasn't sterling.  I cited ERA as a stat that helps show his success, but there are others.  In fact, I'd argue, many of the best pitching stats for evaluation would show that success if we omitted April.

     

    Alas, Fangraphs doesn't allow me to go just from May until now.

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      On 7/21/2015 at 2:23 PM, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

    It appears the Twins are viewing Eduardo Escobar's 2014 season as a fluke, and Danny Santana's 2014 season as not a fluke.

    Or maybe Escobar gets bench because he misses a sign occasionally, or does some other little thing that the coaches don't appreciate, and Santana gets the start because he tries hard and needs the repetitions. Not sure what's going on.

     

    It definitely is puzzling, I'm not sure what's going on either, but it sure seems like there must be something we can't see.  Right now I prefer Escobar to any of the other options, and Santana really needs to go down.  He has just been horrible all year.

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      On 7/23/2015 at 3:22 AM, TheLeviathan said:

    Yes, let's continue to use ERA.  I'm evaluating Gibson based on consistent peripherals since May and the results those have yielded: an above average major league starter.  And yes, that includes one month where his ERA wasn't sterling.  

    Except it wasn't one month where his ERA wasn't stellar it was two.  Two out of four.  But hey, I'm not the one who even likes to point to ERA as an kind of telling stat anyway.  At least not on a year to year basis. I wasn't the one who pointed it out as a stat to consider to begin with. But if you are going to look at monthly ERAs and include or exclude as a basis of performance, look at them all individually. That would require looking at June's 4.70 ERA too.

     

    And if we want to say April was an outlier for his ERA this year and discard it as more or less meaningless in regards to his current ability, why isn't the May ERA too? Because that was amazingly awesome, no?  But we have no problem including that in his actual performance evaluation? We think an ERA of 1.36 is closer to his true ERA, with those peripherals?  

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      On 7/23/2015 at 3:35 AM, jimmer said:

     But if you are going to look at monthly ERAs and include or exclude as a basis of performance, look at them all individually. That would require looking at June's 4.70 ERA too.

     

    And if we want to say April was an outlier for his ERA this year and discard it as more or less meaningless in regards to his current ability, why isn't the May ERA too? Because that was amazingly awesome, no?  But we have no problem including that in his actual performance evaluation? We think an ERA of 1.36 is closer to his true ERA, with those peripherals?  

     

     I don't know how you keep going off the rails here, but I never excluded his June ERA.  I didn't look at monthly ERAs - I looked at monthly peripherals.  I excluded April on the basis of those, not his ERA.  

     

    Even with that poor ERA in June, he's still been above average - as have many of his key peripherals.  The only one that isn't is K/9 but that just isn't ever going to be his style.   Everything else has trended very well the last three months.

     

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    While you two can go around about Gibson all night, there's one very revealing stat:

     

    For the past 80-90 innings, Kyle has approached one strikeout per inning (somewhere around 8 per 9).

     

    Strikeouts, unlike ERA or almost any other stat, are generally not prone to wild fluctuation with moderate sample sizes. This turn in Gibson's career arc is likely not anomalous because pitchers rarely get lucky by missing bats en masse.

     

    Add in Gibson's continued ground ball dominance and you have a pitcher that looks to sustain some level of above average performance.

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      On 7/23/2015 at 3:51 AM, jimmer said:

    Let's hope those Ks continue as well as the other peripherals trending so well the last select months.

    Well, what's important is the groundball rate (highly repeatable) and the K rate (a new addition but likely repeatable). If those two things are in place, Gibson is an above average pitcher. He's never had a real issue with walks so that's not a concern.

     

    Im bullish on the K rate staying high because he has carried it over a dozen starts. Striking out 2-3 more batters per game means he's getting 5-10 more swings and misses per outing. That's up to 10% of his total pitches per start. It's highly unlikely that's luck. Maybe over 2-3 starts but not a dozen. That's the equivalent of getting 100 lucky pitches where the batter simply missed the ball. It doesn't add up.

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      On 7/23/2015 at 3:14 AM, curt1965 said:

    Because, Mike, the Twins need to desperately find a SS, and Santana is their best option right now. Not Escobar, Nunez, or Polanco. I have to hand it to Mollie, he knows this and has given Danny about 40 chances so far this year. And EVERYONE is right: he hasn't done the job this year so far. But...... the Twins were 9 games over .500 at the break, and does anyone think they would be significantly better if someone else in the Twins system had played there?
    Seth did a super job of explaining the options. The FA options next year are not exciting, to say the least.
    So what are you going to do, Twins fans? My choice, while not being the popular one on TD, would be to give Santana the job until further notice.

     

    It's a fair stance to take, if you think Santana is a prospect to be a legit MLB SS. I don't share that belief, but if that is their belief, I am glad that they are sticking with it.

     

    My choice would be to go with Escobar, who is about the same level prospect in my mind.

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    Whether Santana is the best prospect at short is irrelevant because in the here and now, he's one of the worst position players in baseball.

    Should Aaron Hicks have spent all of 2013 on the Twins because he was their "best" prospect? Of course not, that's ridiculous. Hicks wasn't learning in 2013. He was getting the **** kicked out of him on a nightly basis. That's not productive for the team and it's not productive for the player.

    2015 Danny Santana is 2013 Aaron Hicks. They were/are "learning" at the MLB level the same way I'd "learn" how to box by getting in the ring with Floyd Mayweather.

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    Actually, scratch one part of that post.

     

    2013 Aaron Hicks was better than 2015 Danny Santana by pretty much every standard you can grade a player (OPS, defense, WAR, whatever).

     

    All of you Santana supporters, let that sink in for a moment. 

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      On 7/23/2015 at 3:14 AM, curt1965 said:

    But...... the Twins were 9 games over .500 at the break, and does anyone think they would be significantly better if someone else in the Twins system had played there?

    Eduardo Escobar posted a 2.5 WAR in just over 400 PAs last season with the vast majority of his innings coming at short.

     

    It's not only possible the Twins would be a few games better than they are now with a different player at short, it'd be hard not to be a few games better. Santana is one of, if not the, worst position player in baseball this season. At that point, it's hard not to improve.

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      On 7/21/2015 at 8:07 PM, jimbo92107 said:

    So you take the best defensive 2B in the league and put him at a position he's not used to anymore, then take a minor leaguer that's not quite an mlb ready SS and put him at 2B, where he hasn't been playing. Or Rosario, who also didn't show much at 2B.

     

    Going for a high 1st round pick in 2016?

     

    No, I just care that much less about defense than I do offense. 

     

    Besides, Dozier wouldn't be half as helpless as you'd imply.  Santana's UZR is -9.7 and the guy that's splitting the site in half, Troy Tulowitzky is at -7.7.  Dozier is a better defensive 2B than Stephen Drew and Chris Owings who both player SS last year.

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      On 7/22/2015 at 3:48 PM, mike wants wins said:

    WAR is a counting stat....accumulated by the time on the field. He's been so good, that even playing limited time, he's helped his team win as many games as Dozier does in 158 games a year or so.....So, his WAR takes into account the time missed.

     

    Yes, but then if we are using WAR when considering how helpful he is to the team we can't simply give him an N/A for the times he sits on the bench, we would need to be subtracting Santana's negative WAR from his total.  It wouldn't take much of a decline from Tulowitzki for that number to become a Push.

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      On 7/23/2015 at 6:19 PM, nicksaviking said:

    Yes, but then if we are using WAR when considering how helpful he is to the team we can't simply give him an N/A for the times he sits on the bench, we would need to be subtracting Santana's negative WAR from his total.  It wouldn't take much of a decline from Tulowitzki for that number to become a Push.

     

    But I'd have Esco there.....so the negative WAR is zero

     

     

    nana nana, boo boo, I win!

     

    Sorry, on an awful work call, really needed to be silly for a second.....

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      On 7/23/2015 at 6:12 PM, nicksaviking said:

    No, I just care that much less about defense than I do offense. 

     

    Besides, Dozier wouldn't be half as helpless as you'd imply.  Santana's UZR is -9.7 and the guy that's splitting the site in half, Troy Tulowitzky is at -7.7.  Dozier is a better defensive 2B than Stephen Drew and Chris Owings who both player SS last year.

    Two good points.

    Still easier to just play Escobar at SS, or (my rec) bring up Polanco and leave Dozier be. This team does need to try several things if they want to compete with the big boys, including bringing up some boppers like Arcia, Vargas, and Kepler. This should be a year of free-wheeling tryouts for lots of prospects.

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      On 7/23/2015 at 8:09 PM, jimbo92107 said:

    Two good points.

    Still easier to just play Escobar at SS, or (my rec) bring up Polanco and leave Dozier be. This team does need to try several things if they want to compete with the big boys, including bringing up some boppers like Arcia, Vargas, and Kepler. This should be a year of free-wheeling tryouts for lots of prospects.

    I'd play fast and loose with Arcia and Vargas but Kepler is just getting his feet under him. Due to growing up in Germany and getting injured, I think slow and steady is the right path for Max.

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      On 7/23/2015 at 8:09 PM, jimbo92107 said:

    Two good points.

    Still easier to just play Escobar at SS, or (my rec) bring up Polanco and leave Dozier be. This team does need to try several things if they want to compete with the big boys, including bringing up some boppers like Arcia, Vargas, and Kepler. This should be a year of free-wheeling tryouts for lots of prospects.

    Twins would deserve a beating if they moved Dozier off 2B.

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