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    Seth Stohs

    We are ten days from the July trade deadline. Yesterday, Nick wrote about the Twins biggest need, behind the plate. But if catching is the team’s #1 need, would shortstop be #1b?

    Should the Twins continue to stand by young Danny Santana or turn things back to Eduardo Escobar? Should they look outside the organization for an option, or should they take a shot and hand over the job to Jorge Polanco?

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    Let’s start by considering the internal options.

    DANNY SANTANA

    A year ago, Santana was a surprise call-up to the Twins. He stuck and shocked most who had paid any attention to his minor league statistics. He hit .319 and showed good power to go with his speed. Of course, he played primarily centerfield instead of shortstop and finished seventh in American League Rookie of the Year voting.

    To call his sophomore season a slump would be kind. For the most part, 2015 has been a disaster for Santana. As I went to look at where his statistics compare to other MLB second baseman, I hit a wrong button and ended up with a report that showed me 248 players with 200 or more plate appearances. It was ranked by WAR and guess who came in at the bottom of the list? That’s right. Danny Santana’s -1.7 WAR is worst in baseball. 247th on that list was Jimmy Rollins at -0.9 WAR.

    Put another way, if the Twins had gone with a replacement level player such as Doug Bernier or Argenis Diaz instead of Santana this season, they likely would have had significantly better production from the shortstop position.

    Among 29 shortstops with over 200 plate appearances in 2015 Santana ranks last with a .241 on-base percentage and .547 OPS. His .306 slugging percentage ranks 27th of 29, while his .221 batting average comes in at 26th.

    Santana came into the season with the full support and backing of Terry Ryan and Paul Molitor. They wanted to give the 24-year-old every opportunity to improve. As late July approaches and the Twins remain a legitimate playoff hopeful, it’s hard to imagine he has too much more rope.

    One other consideration is that Santana is out of options in 2016.

    EDUARDO ESCOBAR

    Last year as a 25-year-old, Eduardo Escobar earned the Twins starting shortstop job. In fact, many would argue that he did enough to have been handed the gig in 2015. Of 32 shortstops who accumulated 300 plate appearances in 2014, Escobar ranked 21st with a 1.1 WAR.

    All spring, Escobar said the right things, but he had to be disappointed to return to a utility role. He has played in just 18 games at shortstop this year, less than Eduardo Nunez. Meanwhile, he has inexplicably played in 32 games in left field, including 27 starts. He has been average, or slightly below average at both positions.

    After hitting .275/.315/.406 (.721) with 35 doubles and six home runs a year ago, his bat hasn’t taken off this year. He is hitting .254/.284/.400 (.684) with 19 extra base hits. Although not great, it would be around average for an MLB shortstop.

    JORGE POLANCO

    Polanco’s Major League stat line looks pretty impressive. He has hit .333/.500/.667 (1.167). Of course, that’s just 12 plate appearances.

    Signed for his glove work as a 16-year-old in 2009, Polanco’s offense has been what has carried him to AAA and those short stints with the Twins. He played in 67 games with Chattanooga this season and hit .301/.347/.409 (.755) with 14 doubles, two triples and four home runs. Upon his promotion to AAA Rochester, he has hit .298/.317/.351 (.668) in 14 games.

    The issue with Polanco at this point looks like his ability to play shortstop. He had 16 errors and a .939 fielding percentage in AA. He has seven errors and an .865 fielding percentage in 14 games with the Red Wings. However, it is important to note that he had six errors in just his first six games for Rochester.

    EXTERNAL OPTIONS

    Or, do the Twins need to look outside for a shortstop? Here are a few options:

    JIMMY ROLLINS

    Last week on 1500ESPN.com, Phil Mackey wrote about a “somewhat crazy, yet realistic trade idea.” The 36-year-old Rollins is hardly playing better than the 24-year-old Santana. Hitting just .204/.259/.322 (.581). As mentioned above, his -0.9 WAR is second-worst to only Santana. He would certainly provide another veteran voice on the Twins roster, and I can’t imagine that it would take much of a prospect to acquire him.

    The Dodgers also have mega-prospect Corey Seager pretty much ready at AAA. Rollins had his 2015 option vest last year and is making $11 million. The hope would, of course, be that he would play like Orlando Cabrera did down the stretch in 2009.

    JEAN SEGURA

    25-year-old Jean Segura made his MLB debut as a 22-year-old in 2012. After one game, he was part of a trade that sent Zack Greinke from Milwaukee to the Angels. He has been the Brewers every day shortstop since the deal.

    In 76 games this year, he is hitting .276/.305/.346 (.650) with six doubles, three triple and three home runs. After stealing 44 bags in 2013 (when he was an All-Star), he stole 20 last year and has 13 this season. When the Twins played the Brewers, Segura’s effort-level was questioned on several occasions and that isn’t something new with him.

    Segura is making just $534,000 in 2015, but he will be arbitration-eligible after the 2015 season for the first time. The Twins would have his rights for the next three years which certainly makes him a bit more intriguing. Yet, it makes it less necessary for the Brewers to deal him, so the Twins would need to give up more to get him.

    ZACK COZART

    Cozart has been the shortstop for the Cincinnati Reds since 2012. He is making $2.35 million this year, his first arbitration-eligible season. In 53 games, he is hitting .258/.310/.459 with ten doubles and nine home runs. His .769 OPS so far in 2014 is over .110 points higher than his career average and one would assume that he would not hit for as much power in Target Field as he has with the Reds.

    The 29-year-old is very strong defensively up the middle. His range is average, but he is very steady and consistent. Since he still has two more years of control, I would expect the Reds to ask quite a bit for him.

    TROY TULOWITZKI

    Here is the name we all dream about, right? Tulowitzki was the seventh overall pick of that tremendous 2005 draft out of college and quickly got to the Rockies late in the 2006 season. Since then, he has played in five All-Star games, won two Gold Gloves and two Silver Slugger Awards.

    In 82 games this season, he is hitting .320/.365/.502 (.866) with 19 doubles, 12 homers and 52 RBI. His best years were 2009 through 2011. He has been one of the best offensive shortstops through much of his career.

    The concerns with Tulowitzki are clear. First, there will always be questions for a player who leaves the offensive-friendly confines of Coors Field. Second, Tulowitzki has not been able to stay on the field consistantly. He played just 47 games in 2012, 126 games in 2013, and 91 games in 2014. But when he is healthy, he puts up big numbers. Defensively, he has always been very good. He has average range, but a strong arm and steady hands. At 30, it’s fair to wonder aloud how long he would be able to remain at shortstop.

    And those numbers helped him sign a ten year, $157.7 million deal before the 2011 season. He has five years and $98 million remaining on the deal after this 2015 season. He will make $20 million each year from 2016 through 2019. He’ll make $14 million in 2020, and then he has an option for 2021 at $15 million with a $4 million buyout. There are also quite a few bonuses that he will get for MVP votes, All-Star appearances and other individual achievements.

    The other hurdle in a possible Tulo-to-the-Twins deal is the fact that the Twins would have to give up a ton to acquire the shortstop. Those trade negotiations likely start with a combination of J.O. Berrios and Jorge Polanco, and then the Twins would likely need to add a couple of more pieces as well. That level of prospect is what would motivate the Rockies to consider dealing their popular shortstop.

    So, what should the Twins do at shortstop? Up-the-middle defense is important. Nick wrote about the catcher position yesterday, and today we consider shortstops. The trade deadline is just ten days away. Put yourself in the GM's shoes and think about what is best for the organization, short-term and long-term. What would you do?

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    Escobar isn't good enough defensively to be the everyday SS, that single on his "diving" catch is a perfect example, Santana or any other good defensive SS has the range to make that play and throw the runner out.

     

    If Escobar was ever good enough to stick defensively at SS the White Sox wouldn't have traded him in the first place. Escobar is good enough to stick defensively at 2B or 3B but his bat isn't big enough (plus he is big time blocked on the Twins anyways)

    Escobar is what he is: a decent Util guy, basically a poor mans Nick Punto with a little more pop, less defensive value and sub par head first slides into first skills.

     

    Which is more than Santana has shown this year.......lots of guys get traded that don't look like much until they actually play. I'm not saying Escobar is awesome, but he is better than Santana right now, imo.

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    I agree that right now our biggest priority should be to acquire a catcher, either now or this offseason, but I personally think we're going to be hung out to dry at SS until Nick Gordon gets here. Escobar and Santana were likely flukes last year, and we need to bridge the gap to Gordon (who I'm pretty sure just started hitting at CR).

    Tulo is a little old, I would only talk to CO and see if we could get him w/o Berrios if we took on his whole contract. Otherwise, I might look at Jose Ramirez of the Indians, who's blocked by Super Shortstop Francisco Lindor. He had a solid year defensively last year, and is raking at AAA right now despite struggling in the Show. I wouldn't let the fact that he's an in division rival bother me. Is he really an improvement over Santana Polanco or Escobar? He is defensively, but outside of that I have no idea, I'm just posing another option.

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    Escobar isn't good enough defensively to be the everyday SS, that single on his "diving" catch is a perfect example, Santana or any other good defensive SS has the range to make that play and throw the runner out.

     

    If Escobar was ever good enough to stick defensively at SS the White Sox wouldn't have traded him in the first place. Escobar is good enough to stick defensively at 2B or 3B but his bat isn't big enough (plus he is big time blocked on the Twins anyways)

    Escobar is what he is: a decent Util guy, basically a poor mans Nick Punto with a little more pop, less defensive value and sub par head first slides into first skills.

    I agree with all of this.

     

    The thing is that still makes him the best Twins SS option by a healthy margin.

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    The Twins are rebuilding, so no need to rent a player! Trade your prospects for Stars/Proven numbers that have at least 1+ years remaining after this year, or Escobar/Nunez take over. NO RENTALS unless we give them practically nothing in return!

    Having fun watching them contend now, really can't wait till 2016!!!!!!!!!

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    Dozier to SS, Rosario/Polanco to 2B.

     

    Will never happen, but I'd give it a shot.

    So you take the best defensive 2B in the league and put him at a position he's not used to anymore, then take a minor leaguer that's not quite an mlb ready SS and put him at 2B, where he hasn't been playing. Or Rosario, who also didn't show much at 2B.

     

    Going for a high 1st round pick in 2016?

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    Santana is dead last among position players in WAR this year. Why is anyone comfortable with that?

    people seem thrilled with Gibson too. some things make no sense.

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    Oh please.  Before his hiccup of a start today he had been excellent for the past 6 weeks and most of the regular season.  

    The guy was a 1.1 WAR pitcher going into last night.  I hadn't even seen the results of the game when I wrote that.  He is not impressive. His peripherals are nothing special.  His FIP is in the 4s, he doesn't K people.  He's an average starter at best, yet some around here talk as if he's awesome. He'll be 28 before the calendar flips 2016.  He is what he is right now and it certainly isn't anything jaw-dropping.  There are people on this site saying they wouldn't trade him for TULO!  Oh please, indeed.

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    The guy was a 1.1 WAR pitcher going into last night. I hadn't even seen the results of the game when I wrote that. He is not impressive. His peripherals are nothing special. His FIP is in the 4s, he doesn't K people. He's an average starter at best, yet some around here talk as if he's awesome. He'll be 28 before the calendar flips 2016. He is what he is right now and it certainly isn't anything jaw-dropping. There are people on this site saying they wouldn't trade him for TULO! Oh please, indeed.

    He's been King people for over two months now. His season line is tainted by really bad peripherals in April. He hasn't been that pitcher for 2 1/2 months.
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    He's been King people for over two months now. His season line is tainted by really bad peripherals in April. He hasn't been that pitcher for 2 1/2 months.

    So the real Gibson is the one that's the good Gibson.  Use that time frame only? What about last night?  Should we look at that one?

     

    Until Gibson shows he can sustain any kind of quality, you're just grabbing at the good and discarding the bad.  I'm not sure anyone is saying he's bad, BTW, just not some awesome pitcher that should be, in any way, untouchable for a player of Tulo's quality.

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    So the real Gibson is the one that's the good Gibson.  Use that time frame only? What about last night?  Should we look at that one?

     

    Until Gibson shows he can sustain any kind of quality, you're just grabbing at the good and discarding the bad.  I'm not sure anyone is saying he's bad, BTW, just not some awesome pitcher that should be, in any way, untouchable for a player of Tulo's quality.

    And that's fair but Gibson has steadily become a better player since he entered the rotation in 2013. The recent stats are more indicative of his ability than older stats.

     

    He even showed this ability in 2014 but lacked consistency. His 2014 season was marked with insane fluctuations. Going from memory, he started about 30 games. In ~15 of those games, he allowed 2 ER or less. In ~10 of those games, he allowed 5 ER or more. In 75% of his starts, he was either stellar or horrible.

     

    That's a player you mark for improvement going forward. You don't ignore the career stats but you take them with a grain of salt.

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    I don't see how cherry picking Gibson's best is any different than the Tulo people choosing to utterly ignore the guy's fragile health record the last 4 years.

     

    I like Tulo and for the right package, I'll take the gamble.  But it IS a gamble given his problems staying on the field.

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    I don't see how cherry picking Gibson's best is any different than the Tulo people choosing to utterly ignore the guy's fragile health record the last 4 years.

     

    I like Tulo and for the right package, I'll take the gamble.  But it IS a gamble given his problems staying on the field.

    Speaking only for myself, I have't ignored Tulo's health issues one bit.  But that fragile player posted 10.6 combined WAR in 2013 and 2014 during the most frequent two of those four fragile years and 4.3 WAR average over all four of those fragile 4 years (2011-2014).

     

    120 games of him and 42 from another combo is still awesome production from the shortstop position.

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    Speaking only for myself, I have't ignored Tulo's health issues one bit.  But that fragile player posted 10.6 combined WAR in 2013 and 2014 during the most frequent two of those four fragile years and 4.3 WAR average over all four of those fragile 4 years (2011-2014).

     

    120 games of him and 42 from another combo is still awesome production from the shortstop position.

     

    Using WAR to explain away a fragile health record seems like a copout to be honest.  The truth is, to be what we want him to be, he's going to need to be on the field.  His WAR doesn't help us much on the bench.

     

    I have serious concerns about a 30 year old SS with declining defensive metrics and a brutal health record continuing to put up the same production.  

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    Using WAR to explain away a fragile health record seems like a copout to be honest.  The truth is, to be what we want him to be, he's going to need to be on the field.  His WAR doesn't help us much on the bench.

     

    I have serious concerns about a 30 year old SS with declining defensive metrics and a brutal health record continuing to put up the same production.  

     

    WAR is a counting stat....accumulated by the time on the field. He's been so good, that even playing limited time, he's helped his team win as many games as Dozier does in 158 games a year or so.....So, his WAR takes into account the time missed.

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    Using WAR to explain away a fragile health record seems like a copout to be honest.  The truth is, to be what we want him to be, he's going to need to be on the field.  His WAR doesn't help us much on the bench.

     

    I have serious concerns about a 30 year old SS with declining defensive metrics and a brutal health record continuing to put up the same production.  

    How did I use WAR to explain away a fragile health record? I showed that despite the fragile health record, he's continued to be highly valuable.

     

    Do you want to say having a guy who can produce an average of 4.5 war in 120 games with others filling in the other 42 games is less valuable than a player who produces a 2 WAR (if we are lucky with our choices) over 155 games because that guy who produced a 2 WAR was on the field more? Is that the argument?

     

    Even last year, he only played 90 something games, STILL had 5.3 WAR.  

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    WAR is a counting stat....accumulated by the time on the field. He's been so good, that even playing limited time, he's helped his team win as many games as Dozier does in 158 games a year or so.....So, his WAR takes into account the time missed.

    exactly

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    WAR is a counting stat....accumulated by the time on the field. He's been so good, that even playing limited time, he's helped his team win as many games as Dozier does in 158 games a year or so.....So, his WAR takes into account the time missed.

     

    Weren't you the one that told me people understand how to use WAR?  You know, as a comparative tool best used over a larger sample size?

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    How did I use WAR to explain away a fragile health record? I showed that despite the fragile health record, he's continued to be highly valuable.

     

    Do you want to say having a guy who can produce an average of 4.5 war in 120 games with others filling in the other 42 games is less valuable than a player who produces a 2 WAR (if we are lucky with our choices) over 155 games because that guy who produced a 2 WAR was on the field more? Is that the argument?

     

    Even last year, he only played 90 something games, STILL had 5.3 WAR.  

     

    You're creating a false dilemma to further fall into this trap.  Tulo isn't the only way we could improve SS, so I'm not biting on the false dilemma.   

     

    WAR seems to be a really poor way to measure that effect of injury.  The truth is that his defense, by the metrics, looks to have sharply declined.  His recent injury history is a serious red flag.  The normal aging curves for shortstops tells us that what we're seeing is typical at this age and likely to get much worse relatively quickly.

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    You're creating a false dilemma to further fall into this trap.  Tulo isn't the only way we could improve SS, so I'm not biting on the false dilemma.   

     

    WAR seems to be a really poor way to measure that effect of injury.  The truth is that his defense, by the metrics, looks to have sharply declined.  His recent injury history is a serious red flag.  The normal aging curves for shortstops tells us that what we're seeing is typical at this age and likely to get much worse relatively quickly.

    I'm not creating a false dilemma.  TR has created the dilemma all by himself by having Santana (perhaps the worst starter in baseball?) as our starting shortstop and Escobar as our backup. If you want to throw other trade options, by all means do so and let everyone disect those,but so far the discussion has mostly centered on our options or trading for Tulo.

     

    And WAR just measures what a per has done, not what he did when he was out with injury.  When out with injury, a player's WAR is zero.

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    That's great that he's accumulated WAR as a part-time player three of the last four years, that not's the point.  The point is that his declining defensive stats and age make it unlikely that continues and very likely that injuries continue to hamper his on-field contributions.

     

    And since our choices at SS don't necessarily have to be limited to Escobar, Santana, and Tulowitski....it is a false dilemma you're arguing.

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    That's great that he's accumulated WAR as a part-time player three of the last four years, that not's the point.  The point is that his declining defensive stats and age make it unlikely that continues and very likely that injuries continue to hamper his on-field contributions.

     

    And since our choices at SS don't necessarily have to be limited to Escobar, Santana, and Tulowitski....it is a false dilemma you're arguing.

     

    What are those other options? I'm all eyes......

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    What are those other options? I'm all eyes......

     

    Wait..so your contention is that those are our only options?

     

    The hell if I know what is all out there or not out there on the market, but I know this fallacious dilemma is just ridiculous.

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    If it isn't a trade....at least bench Santana.

     

    And, it is fair you don't have a full list, I don't either.

     

    I think you are underselling Tulo, but it is debatable for sure.

     

    I agree, continuing to play Santana is not wise.  I'd like to see Escobar or even Polanco at this point.

     

    I've said I'm not opposed to Tulo (especially if we're not trading anyone currently contributing) but his injury history and declining defense are pretty much right in line with SS aging curves.  And that curve is one of the most precipitous of them all.  That really makes me hesitate.  

     

    But for the right deal?  (Berrios+Kepler+?)  I could probably get on board.  It's just tremendously more risky than some are trying to pitch.

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    So the consensus is that Tulo is s great player and currently 100+odd games of him at SS with the remainder of those games going to a back up is still great production at the SS position. However we all agree there are injury issues and that a decline is likely and at some point will need to be moved to a new position.

     

    Therefore depending on how one views his aging curve and the Twins other options at SS determines where exactly one falls in the great Tulo debate?

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