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    Cody Christie

    Teams are always searching for the a way to get a leg up on the competition. Analyzing spray charts to find the right placement for outfielders, shifting infielders to the right side against a power hitting lefty, or bringing in a LOOGY (left-handed one out guy) in the late innings. Baseball continues to evolve and the teams changing the fastest seem to find more success.

    Possibly one of the biggest flaws under the Ron Gardenhire regime was his refusal to platoon hitters. For example, take a look at Danny Valencia's tenure in Minnesota. During his rookie year, the right-handed hitter managed to hit .280/.303/.410 against righties which is pretty good. In 2011, his numbers dropped as his OPS dipped to .626 against righties while he posted a .822 mark against lefties. Gardenhire could have taken advantage of Valencia's strength and played him against lefties while utilizing another option against right-handed starters.

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    The Twins have an interesting opportunity facing them this season and it could be setting up to be a very nice platoon advantage for Paul Molitor. Byung Ho Park will almost assuredly make the team's 25-man roster when they head north. Oswaldo Arcia is out of options and it would make sense to have him at the disposal of the big league squad. Park is a right-handed batter and Arcia is a left-handed batter so the Twins might have a perfect solution.

    Arcia has been a very streaky hitter over the course of his career and that's one of the reasons the Twins let him toil in the minors for almost all of 2015. In nearly 100 minor league games last season, Arcia posted a .678 OPS versus righties which was 243 points higher than what he was able to do against lefties. This still wasn't that great as his OBP was under .280.

    In his time at the major league level, Arcia's splits are much better against right-handed hurlers. His OPS is almost 200 points higher against righties (.807 OPS vs. RHP) and only six of his 36 home runs have come against southpaws. Since Arcia has been a streaky hitter in the past, the best way to use him could be to get his at-bats exclusively against righties.

    Byung Ho Park will be facing a tough transition this season as he transitions from the KBO to the MLB level. Things have been going fairly well for him so far this spring but it's hard to take spring training numbers too seriously. Minnesota is going to want to take a long look at Park this season but his best option might be to step in more regularly against lefties.

    Last season, Park's batting average was 39 points higher against lefties and he posted a very respectable 24 to 21 strikeout to walk ratio. The right-handed slugger struck out 105 times in 343 at-bats versus righties. Park might be better suited to set-up more frequently against southpaws if the Twins want to avoid some of the struggles that come with transitioning from a foreign league.

    Overall, it seems more likely for the Twins to use Arcia in a role as fourth outfielder. This would allow him to get one or two starts a week and to step in if a player was injured. His bat coming off the bench would be a nice option but his time in Minnesota might be slowly sinking away.

    Park is going to get playing time this year as the club tries out their new acquisition. Molitor likely won't use a full platoon with Park and Arcia because this would mean playing Arcia more than Park since there are more right-handed pitchers in the baseball world.

    However, the team could benefit from giving Park the night off against tough lefties like Chris Sale and David Price.

    So, what do you think? Could the Twins take advantage of some platooning this season? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion.

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    Nope, Lefsa.  It was like a soft taco shell. Not neccesarily gross, but when you are told you need to fill up on it....the 10th one is pretty gross

    But you could at least put butter on it, right?

     

    Was lutefisk offered at the same buffet?  I'd check myself, but "norwegian-food-reference.com" seems to be down right now... :)

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    But you could at least put butter on it, right?

     

    Was lutefisk offered at the same buffet?  I'd check myself, but "norwegian-food-reference.com" seems to be down right now... :)

     

    The site was likely shut down due to no traffic.

     

    I can't remember.  I just remember we all wanted to go to a country known for good food.  Like Italy, China, etc.  Nope, we ended up at the Norweigan buffett because it was all you can eat.  Smelled like fish, nobody in there, a general bad experience.

     

    I am bringing my family down to Disney next Friday.  A photo op will be had if Norway is still there.  It has been a punch line for 22 years.  Where should we eat?  The Norweigan buffet

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    Generally agreed.  Quentin and Sweeney can't even opt out of their minor league contracts until June 1, as I understand, so there is no real imperative to add them to the roster for opening day.  So we can easily afford another chance for Arcia.

     

    That said, Arcia is looking more and more like a bust every day.  It happens sometimes.  He obviously didn't have the past MLB success, but a lot of people here made a statement similar to yours about Joe Benson a few years ago.  Arcia is closer to Benson circa 2013 right now than he is to Ortiz circa 2002-2003.

     

    Arcia was already around replacement level even with his early career power.  If Arcia's power is gone (and it largely was in 2015, .107 ISO in MLB, .090 in the second half at AAA, .000 so far this spring), that's a pretty bad player.

    Absolutely, which is why I wouldn't give him a long leash, just one more opportunity to make good on his talent.

     

    To me, the difference between Arcia and Benson is that Arcia smacked around MLB pitching for quite some time while Benson stumbled before he even reached the majors. Yeah, Arcia's offense was offset by his horrible defense but still, a bench bat/spot starter with his potential has value to a contending team.

     

    Like I said earlier, I'd shoot for 100 plate appearances and then reevaluate (and that evaluation wouldn't be entirely based on numbers, it'd be more about his approach and attitude).

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    Arcia was already around replacement level even with his early career power.  If Arcia's power is gone (and it largely was in 2015, .107 ISO in MLB, .090 in the second half at AAA, .000 so far this spring), that's a pretty bad player.

     

    He was 22+23 years old, and his being "replacement level" had a lot to do with terrible defense... it's his bat that is worth keeping around.  

    2 weeks of Spring training results are meaningless.  

     

    Considering this roster is largely void of Left handed hitters, especially power options... it would be absurd to give up on him right now.  I would give him the entire season before deciding whether he's worth keeping around.  

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    Absolutely, which is why I wouldn't give him a long leash, just one more opportunity to make good on his talent.

     

    To me, the difference between Arcia and Benson is that Arcia smacked around MLB pitching for quite some time while Benson stumbled before he even reached the majors. Yeah, Arcia's offense was offset by his horrible defense but still, a bench bat/spot starter with his potential has value to a contending team.

     

    Like I said earlier, I'd shoot for 100 plate appearances and then reevaluate (and that evaluation wouldn't be entirely based on numbers, it'd be more about his approach and attitude).

     

    But if he can sniff an .800 OPS against righties (career average), who else will accomplish that at the DH position?  With the defensive flexibility on our roster and the fact that he is making peanuts still, I would like to see someone put up those numbers before cutting him loose.

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    But if he can sniff an .800 OPS against righties (career average), who else will accomplish that at the DH position?  With the defensive flexibility on our roster and the fact that he is making peanuts still, I would like to see someone put up those numbers before cutting him loose.

    If he's hitting RHP anywhere near .800, that's a no-brainer. You keep that guy, especially given the makeup of the current Twins roster.

     

    I'm worried he might struggle to hit .700, not .800. He has looked various shades of terrible for quite some time now.

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    If he's hitting RHP anywhere near .800, that's a no-brainer. You keep that guy, especially given the makeup of the current Twins roster.

     

    I'm worried he might struggle to hit .700, not .800. He has looked various shades of terrible for quite some time now.

     

    Even if he hits righties at a .750 clip, Park is nowhere near a lock to do that.  He struck out over 30% of the time against righties last year in Korea (with about half the BB rate)

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    The guy who posted an OPS+ of 100 at age 22, and 108 at age 23? And has hit 36 major league home runs before his 25th birthday, even with a lost season in there?

     

    Yes. The complete disaster that was 2015 aside, I do not disagree that he has been talented at the plate. In fact, I really found his swagger and flair for the dramatic to be quite refreshing. At the same time, I can not stand when he "hot dogs" simple plays.

     

    My gripes:

    * Not knowing how many outs there are

    * Not running out pop flies & grounders after batting a ball in play

    * Not making a full effort toward batted balls hit to him while on defense

     

    One play - which quantifies my point: http://m.mlb.com/video/v81918783/minkc-arcia-drops-moustakas-fly-ball-in-the-6th/?query=arcia+error

     

    I honestly think this behavior has set him back a lot. Effort is something that needs to be present... at an absolute minimum. If he were hitting a ton, there would be a bit more forgiveness on issues like this. He's not. It's clear that you feel differently, and obviously I understand if the Twins bring him north. If that happens, I'll root for him; same as always.

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    I was disappointed in the way the Twins have not optimized platoons in the past and last year. I think losing Hicks really takes away some great options for them.

     

    Ideally, I would have liked to see Rosario/Hicks create a platoon with the other serving as a late inning defensive replacement or bat late in games. Arcia could serve as the 5th OF'r, and platoon with Buxton/Sano/Park/Hicks to get plenty of at bats with our other OF's being able to slide around for him pretty easily. 

     

    This would give the Twins time to let Kepler's clock to pass and make him prove last year wasn't an aberration. If this arrangement is working out great, you can afford to keep Kepler down longer, trade one of the pieces (like Hicks or Arcia), or get a bigger piece using Kepler (only if that OF was working out great.)

     

    I also think that Plouffe should be platooned more often, as he is not very good vs RHP, but there are less options there. The one option that would have and does make sense, is having Sano play some or a lot 3B and sitting Plouffe, and sliding in Arcia to the OF, or Kepler when he's ready. 

     

    There are a lot of ways to platoon better, but not having Hicks has taken away a great option we could have used to optimize our lineup, defense, and bench. We still have options, but I highly doubt we will take advantage of them.

     

    Hopefully no one flounders enough vs same side pitchers for this to become an issue, but I see Rosario and Plouffe to continue to struggle, and maybe more.

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    My gripes:

    * Not knowing how many outs there are

    * Not running out pop flies & grounders after batting a ball in play

    * Not making a full effort toward batted balls hit to him while on defense

     

     

     

    He can learn to count outs better (how many times has this happened in his career, once or twice?), but there's no one else on the roster who can learn to hit 25 home runs from the left side. 

     

    As for not sprinting out pop ups or ground balls, 99% of players in baseball do that. The only thing I care about is that we see him jogging all the way around the bases multiple times this year. 

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    Well that's obviously not going to happen any time soon, so there's no real point in arguing for it.

    Assuming that Mauer is just going to stay as healthy as he was last year is also something that should obviously not be expected. I would speculate he could spend quite a bit of time on the DL the next few seasons, which could open up some auditions for some guys to prove themselves.

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    Assuming that Mauer is just going to stay as healthy as he was last year is also something that should obviously not be expected. I would speculate he could spend quite a bit of time on the DL the next few seasons, which could open up some auditions for some guys to prove themselves.

    I would expect Mauer to stay relatively healthy at 1B, but if he goes down, I'd assume Park goes to first full time, Sano plays more DH, and then Kepler might get his shot. Or maybe Arcia just increases his playing time and they call up Vargas.

     

    Either way, the Twins seem pretty committed to Sano in the outfield full time this year, so arguing for a scenario where Sano is at 1B (for this season) is pretty unrealistic.

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    I would expect Mauer to stay relatively healthy at 1B, but if he goes down, I'd assume Park goes to first full time, Sano plays more DH, and then Kepler might get his shot. Or maybe Arcia just increases his playing time and they call up Vargas.

     

    Either way, the Twins seem pretty committed to Sano in the outfield full time this year, so arguing for a scenario where Sano is at 1B (for this season) is pretty unrealistic.

     

    Agree. I think it's likely Sano is the Twins 1st Baseman in 4 years, but there's zero reason to believe he will play even an inning there this season.  

     

    1B pecking order; 

     

    Mauer

    Park

    Kepler

    Plouffe

    Vargas

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    Well, Beltran is almost 39 years old, and posted a -14 Rfield last year.  And as mentioned by another poster, he's a FA next winter, and Ellsbury missed significant time last year (and got benched for the wild card game).  And Gardner, the healthiest one, is just returning from an injury today himself, and has been the subject of trade rumors.

     

    I think it's quite likely that there could be a starting job there, very soon for Hicks, if his performance warrants one (as well as if/when there is an injury).

    Believe me, I understand what you are saying and agree he'll get plenty of atbats. As of now though, he's not a starter.

     

    Regarding Beltran's situation, the Twins used Torii Hunter for 567 at bats last season after he had a -18 Rfield the season before. Teams do crazy things sometimes and the Yankees aren't immune to crazy. 

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    Generally agreed.  Quentin and Sweeney can't even opt out of their minor league contracts until June 1, as I understand, so there is no real imperative to add them to the roster for opening day.  So we can easily afford another chance for Arcia.

     

    That said, Arcia is looking more and more like a bust every day.  It happens sometimes.  He obviously didn't have the past MLB success, but a lot of people here made a statement similar to yours about Joe Benson a few years ago.  Arcia is closer to Benson circa 2013 right now than he is to Ortiz circa 2002-2003.

     

    Arcia was already around replacement level even with his early career power.  If Arcia's power is gone (and it largely was in 2015, .107 ISO in MLB, .090 in the second half at AAA, .000 so far this spring), that's a pretty bad player.

    I cut bait based on what you said.
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