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    Cody Christie

    Teams are always searching for the a way to get a leg up on the competition. Analyzing spray charts to find the right placement for outfielders, shifting infielders to the right side against a power hitting lefty, or bringing in a LOOGY (left-handed one out guy) in the late innings. Baseball continues to evolve and the teams changing the fastest seem to find more success.

    Possibly one of the biggest flaws under the Ron Gardenhire regime was his refusal to platoon hitters. For example, take a look at Danny Valencia's tenure in Minnesota. During his rookie year, the right-handed hitter managed to hit .280/.303/.410 against righties which is pretty good. In 2011, his numbers dropped as his OPS dipped to .626 against righties while he posted a .822 mark against lefties. Gardenhire could have taken advantage of Valencia's strength and played him against lefties while utilizing another option against right-handed starters.

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    The Twins have an interesting opportunity facing them this season and it could be setting up to be a very nice platoon advantage for Paul Molitor. Byung Ho Park will almost assuredly make the team's 25-man roster when they head north. Oswaldo Arcia is out of options and it would make sense to have him at the disposal of the big league squad. Park is a right-handed batter and Arcia is a left-handed batter so the Twins might have a perfect solution.

    Arcia has been a very streaky hitter over the course of his career and that's one of the reasons the Twins let him toil in the minors for almost all of 2015. In nearly 100 minor league games last season, Arcia posted a .678 OPS versus righties which was 243 points higher than what he was able to do against lefties. This still wasn't that great as his OBP was under .280.

    In his time at the major league level, Arcia's splits are much better against right-handed hurlers. His OPS is almost 200 points higher against righties (.807 OPS vs. RHP) and only six of his 36 home runs have come against southpaws. Since Arcia has been a streaky hitter in the past, the best way to use him could be to get his at-bats exclusively against righties.

    Byung Ho Park will be facing a tough transition this season as he transitions from the KBO to the MLB level. Things have been going fairly well for him so far this spring but it's hard to take spring training numbers too seriously. Minnesota is going to want to take a long look at Park this season but his best option might be to step in more regularly against lefties.

    Last season, Park's batting average was 39 points higher against lefties and he posted a very respectable 24 to 21 strikeout to walk ratio. The right-handed slugger struck out 105 times in 343 at-bats versus righties. Park might be better suited to set-up more frequently against southpaws if the Twins want to avoid some of the struggles that come with transitioning from a foreign league.

    Overall, it seems more likely for the Twins to use Arcia in a role as fourth outfielder. This would allow him to get one or two starts a week and to step in if a player was injured. His bat coming off the bench would be a nice option but his time in Minnesota might be slowly sinking away.

    Park is going to get playing time this year as the club tries out their new acquisition. Molitor likely won't use a full platoon with Park and Arcia because this would mean playing Arcia more than Park since there are more right-handed pitchers in the baseball world.

    However, the team could benefit from giving Park the night off against tough lefties like Chris Sale and David Price.

    So, what do you think? Could the Twins take advantage of some platooning this season? Leave a COMMENT and start the discussion.

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    Great post. I'd hope that Molitor gives Park a break against the toughest righties, at least for the first month or two. Those are ideal times to play Arcia. I do think Park needs to play against righties at least some of the time if he wants to get acclimated to MLB RHP, so against the weaker ones at first I'd still hit him.  Arcia can also still get into the lineup on days when Rosario or Sano has a day off, and even when Buxton has a day off and Rosario swings over to CF.

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    5 starters, 7 relievers, 1 backup catcher, 8 position players plus a dh. You can't afford to keep a right hand bat to play only one position and play against left handers. They have to be able to play more than one position.  That is why you can't afford to keep the Valencia's around.

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    I always thought Hicks and Arcia would make the perfect platoon for right field.    Arcia would play the most but Hicks would come in the late innings defense and Hicks was probably major league ready from the right side a while ago and may never be ready from the left side.     Basically , the platoon player (Hick) would fill the role of 4th outfielder.      He could spell the other outfielders occasionally quite adequately.    I I

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    It has been the Twins practice to roster three catchers at times or roster two utility men for the bench. Those decisions have made it very difficult for a manager to use a platoon.

     

    Santana's versatility creates an opportunity to roster an extra corner player on the bench that might be used to platoon and pinch hit. Up the middle can be covered by Santana and Murphy and the other two spots could be bats.

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    Jorgens,

     

    In addition to Santana, you have two or three guys starting that can move to SS or CF at any time. With that flexibility, we need to allocate a bat on the bench.

     

    The fact that we haven't platooned more is sad. This is really math. Nothing more. But when the twins invest money in a guy they want to "get their money's worth". Like Park for example. A DH platoon of Park and Arcia would be great. But we won't do it.

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    Seems like Santana covers all the ground Nunez does, except third base, and Sano can step in there if needed. So you say bye to Nunez, use Santana as your super U, and you can platoon Arcia and Park in RF and DH. You could even rotate Park in as a first baseman to spell Mauer, especially if you want to bring all the big knockers in at once. 

     

    This all depends on if Santana shows he can hit a lick in ST. If not, I say ship him to Rochester and bring up Jorge Polanco. He can hit. 

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    5 starters, 7 relievers, 1 backup catcher, 8 position players plus a dh. You can't afford to keep a right hand bat to play only one position and play against left handers. They have to be able to play more than one position.  That is why you can't afford to keep the Valencia's around.

     

    You just named 22 players. The roster is 25

     

    All those years keeping a 3rd catcher to play once every 2 weeks, we definitely could not have found room to have Valencia mash lefties 2-3 times a week.  

     

    PS: How did the Blue Jays and A's find room for Valencia to platoon, did they have an extra roster spot than us?

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    However, the team could benefit from giving Park the night off against tough lefties like Chris Sale and David Price.

    Wouldn't they want Park to face those guys, instead of Arcia? Plus, the Twins seem to have Chris Sale's number. They rocked him last year. He dominated the rest of the league & struggled mightily against the Twins.

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    You just named 22 players. The roster is 25

     

    All those years keeping a 3rd catcher to play once every 2 weeks, we definitely could not have found room to have Valencia mash lefties 2-3 times a week.  

     

    PS: How did the Blue Jays and A's find room for Valencia to platoon, did they have an extra roster spot than us?

    You would have no bench?

    The reports are that the A's are going to use Valencia  as a full time 3b. Last year he had far more AB against right handers than left, hardly used as a platoon.

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    Traditional platoons (like Pags/Leius basically sharing 3B in 91) are pretty much a thing of the past, fallen victim to the ever increasing size of pitching staffs.  As old nurse notes above, there just isn't room.

     

    You can still use your bench (backup OF and IF, C) and mix/match who is the day's DH to take advantage of the platoon advantage to a certain degree, IF your bench offers that opportunity, and IF it makes sense to take the regular out of the lineup.  Dozier, for example, isn't going to sit just because there's a RH pitcher on the mound..  There's no platoon advantage possible at C for the Twins, and depending on who the 4th OF is at the moment, there may not be much opportunity anywhere else, either.  Nunez, as well, as a RH hitter typically  replaces a RH hitter in the lineup, so no platoon advantage there, either.

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    I'm hoping Aaron Hicks has a fantastic career as a starting player.

    I wonder why.   Not in a judging way but curiosity.     I was hoping he would have a fantastic career as a starting player for the Twins .  Or as a fantastic platoon player for the Twins.    Now I hope   Murphy has a fantastic career as a starting player.   

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    I wonder why.   Not in a judging way but curiosity.     I was hoping he would have a fantastic career as a starting player for the Twins .  Or as a fantastic platoon player for the Twins.    Now I hope   Murphy has a fantastic career as a starting player.   

     

    Can't you hope for both Murphy and Hicks? No place did he even mention Hicks.

     

    Me, I want everyone to be happy and productive, so I too am rooting for Mr. Hicks to do well. why not?

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    Traditional platoons (like Pags/Leius basically sharing 3B in 91) are pretty much a thing of the past, fallen victim to the ever increasing size of pitching staffs.  As old nurse notes above, there just isn't room.

     

    You can still use your bench (backup OF and IF, C) and mix/match who is the day's DH to take advantage of the platoon advantage to a certain degree, IF your bench offers that opportunity, and IF it makes sense to take the regular out of the lineup.  Dozier, for example, isn't going to sit just because there's a RH pitcher on the mound..  There's no platoon advantage possible at C for the Twins, and depending on who the 4th OF is at the moment, there may not be much opportunity anywhere else, either.  Nunez, as well, as a RH hitter typically  replaces a RH hitter in the lineup, so no platoon advantage there, either.

     

    You have to be smart about your 25 guys, no question.  Other teams have done it.  You can typically find corner OF guys in the $2-4m range that can play each corner, sometimes guys that can play in the infield as well that have nice splits and mix and match them. Super utility types.

     

    But it would take getting rid of this, player X is making this much and needs to play every day mentality.  When I was 10 we were at Disneyworld and my Dad made us all eat at Norway because they had a buffett.  Of course Norway has terrible food and we had to "get our moneys worth", so my brothers and I ate about ten pieces of lefsa.  It was gross but we did it.  We paid our money so we had to do it.

     

    The Twins are going to do the same with Park.  They made a 4 year commitment so he will hit against righties even though our team would be better off if Arcia did.

     

     

     

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    I have nothing against Hicks but I just can't do it because:

     

    http://i.imgur.com/ie1u9YD.gif

     

    Could you make that just a wee bit bigger, I don't think the guy sitting 200 feet behind me could see it clearly......but, I get your point. Almost no one likes the Yankees.

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    Traditional platoons (like Pags/Leius basically sharing 3B in 91) are pretty much a thing of the past, fallen victim to the ever increasing size of pitching staffs.  As old nurse notes above, there just isn't room.

     

    You can still use your bench (backup OF and IF, C) and mix/match who is the day's DH to take advantage of the platoon advantage to a certain degree, IF your bench offers that opportunity, and IF it makes sense to take the regular out of the lineup.  Dozier, for example, isn't going to sit just because there's a RH pitcher on the mound..  There's no platoon advantage possible at C for the Twins, and depending on who the 4th OF is at the moment, there may not be much opportunity anywhere else, either.  Nunez, as well, as a RH hitter typically  replaces a RH hitter in the lineup, so no platoon advantage there, either.

    Of course I might be missing something but a bench should serve these purposes.    1.  Give regulars occasional days off,   2.  Provide late inning pinch running.  3.  Provide late inning power or R/L matchups.  4.  Provide late inning defense 5.  Guard against injury.   

    1.  Arcia or Park can give Mauer or the Sano breaks and you will then have Mauer and Sano as bench players plus two other guys for other positions not counting catcher.  

    2.   Plouffe is the only obvious guy here for pinch running replacement along with the DH's and you have Santana and Nunez for this.  Shouldn't happen more than twice a game.   

    3.   Late inning power is still provided by whoever didn't start at DH and this isn't the light hitting Twins of old.    There are no obvious guys like Punto or Butera that beg for late inning pinch hitting replacements but again you have the sitting DH and Nunez.   

    4.   Late inning defense will be limited to right field.    Santana is plenty adequate for that.

    5.   Insurance against injury is not really that big a deal.   Any injury is likely to happen before all the bench has been used up and in that case the makeup of the bench is irrelevant anyway.

    All of these things pale when considering cases like Hicks and Arcia who have splits of .800 plus OPS from one side and .600 or less from the other side.     Since the non platooning player becomes a bench player little is lost.   If we had the personnel such that the splits were that different but complemented each other I would be just fine with up to 3 spots being on a platoon basis.   A daily improvement of .200 OPS in three different spots more than makes up for any perceived loss of utility of the bench.   I know I am simplifying and missing stuff but again a difference of .200 OPS in a platoon is pretty huge.  

     

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    Can't you hope for both Murphy and Hicks? No place did he even mention Hicks.

     

    Me, I want everyone to be happy and productive, so I too am rooting for Mr. Hicks to do well. why not?

    His exact words were "I'm hoping Aaron Hicks has a fantastic career as a starting player." so yes, Hicks was mentioned and in fact the focus of the entire post.

    As a world view I guess I want everyone to be happy and productive but if Hicks is a full time player it just means someone else is not and I am not really more attached to that unnamed player than I am to Hicks now that he is no longer a Twin.   I honestly would be just as happy if you were the starting outfielder for the Yankees and Hicks never played another inning in the majors.   Its not wishing Hicks to fail but rather not caring if he does or does not now that he is not a Twin.   I am way more of a Twins fan than individual player fan so if we trade Hicks for Murphy it is Murphy that I want to succeed and Hicks is as irrelevant to my life as Luke Hughes.  That's nothing against Luke Hughes but I don't spend my time hoping he has a fantastic career as a starting player.  .    I don't know why a Twins fan would want a not Twins player to have a fantastic career as a starting player unless there is more than just the connection that he used to play for the Twins.

    Am I cold and unfeeling?   I did give you an endorsement for being the Yankees starting outfielder.

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    His exact words were "I'm hoping Aaron Hicks has a fantastic career as a starting player." so yes, Hicks was mentioned and in fact the focus of the entire post.

    As a world view I guess I want everyone to be happy and productive but if Hicks is a full time player it just means someone else is not and I am not really more attached to that unnamed player than I am to Hicks now that he is no longer a Twin.   I honestly would be just as happy if you were the starting outfielder for the Yankees and Hicks never played another inning in the majors.   Its not wishing Hicks to fail but rather not caring if he does or does not now that he is not a Twin.   I am way more of a Twins fan than individual player fan so if we trade Hicks for Murphy it is Murphy that I want to succeed and Hicks is as irrelevant to my life as Luke Hughes.  That's nothing against Luke Hughes but I don't spend my time hoping he has a fantastic career as a starting player.  .    I don't know why a Twins fan would want a not Twins player to have a fantastic career as a starting player unless there is more than just the connection that he used to play for the Twins.

    Am I cold and unfeeling?   I did give you an endorsement for being the Yankees starting outfielder.

     

    You can't understand how you can root for the Twins to win, and root for other players to have good careers? I can, but I am not a typical fan at all.

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    I'm hoping Aaron Hicks has a fantastic career as a starting player.

    If you check a Yankees depth chart, Hicks is the 4th outfielder. He'll get lots of playing time, but he won't be a starter.

     

    Having said that, I wish him well as well. I also wish great things for Murphy.

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    Of course I might be missing something but a bench should serve these purposes.    1.  Give regulars occasional days off,   2.  Provide late inning pinch running.  3.  Provide late inning power or R/L matchups.  4.  Provide late inning defense 5.  Guard against injury.   

    1.  Arcia or Park can give Mauer or the Sano breaks and you will then have Mauer and Sano as bench players plus two other guys for other positions not counting catcher.  

    2.   Plouffe is the only obvious guy here for pinch running replacement along with the DH's and you have Santana and Nunez for this.  Shouldn't happen more than twice a game.   

    3.   Late inning power is still provided by whoever didn't start at DH and this isn't the light hitting Twins of old.    There are no obvious guys like Punto or Butera that beg for late inning pinch hitting replacements but again you have the sitting DH and Nunez.   

    4.   Late inning defense will be limited to right field.    Santana is plenty adequate for that.

    5.   Insurance against injury is not really that big a deal.   Any injury is likely to happen before all the bench has been used up and in that case the makeup of the bench is irrelevant anyway.

    All of these things pale when considering cases like Hicks and Arcia who have splits of .800 plus OPS from one side and .600 or less from the other side.     Since the non platooning player becomes a bench player little is lost.   If we had the personnel such that the splits were that different but complemented each other I would be just fine with up to 3 spots being on a platoon basis.   A daily improvement of .200 OPS in three different spots more than makes up for any perceived loss of utility of the bench.   I know I am simplifying and missing stuff but again a difference of .200 OPS in a platoon is pretty huge.  

    I'm not disputing the platoon advantage (most hitters do better against opposite handed pitching, particularly LH hitters).  I strongly believe in it.  That's why I screamed bloody murder all winter over the Twins LH relief situation.

     

    I'm stating that, across MLB, "platoons" (two hitters sharing a position) have become so difficult to achieve, due to ever expanding pitching staffs, as to be virtually extinct.  

     

    Teams still try to use the platoon advantage (without using a strict "platoon") to the best of their ability.  But in the specific case of the Twins,  there isn't much opportunity.  You could try to use an Arcia/Park combo, but any short term OF injury that doesn't DL an outfielder makes that difficult/impossible.  My guess is the Twins will be reluctant, at least initially, to use Park solely as a lefty masher.  That's not what he was signed for, and I can understand wanting him to play every day, at least until he proves he can't do that.  You might also sit Mauer sometimes if, say, Quentin is the fourth OFer, but the Twins are going to be pretty resistant to that idea as well, for obvious reasons.

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    I'm not disputing the platoon advantage (most hitters do better against opposite handed pitching, particularly LH hitters).  I strongly believe in it.  That's why I screamed bloody murder all winter over the Twins LH relief situation.

     

    I'm stating that, across MLB, "platoons" (two hitters sharing a position) have become so difficult to achieve, due to ever expanding pitching staffs, as to be virtually extinct.  

     

    Teams still try to use the platoon advantage (without using a strict "platoon") to the best of their ability.  But in the specific case of the Twins,  there isn't much opportunity.  You could try to use an Arcia/Park combo, but any short term OF injury that doesn't DL an outfielder makes that difficult/impossible.  My guess is the Twins will be reluctant, at least initially, to use Park solely as a lefty masher.  That's not what he was signed for, and I can understand wanting him to play every day, at least until he proves he can't do that.  You might also sit Mauer sometimes if, say, Quentin is the fourth OFer, but the Twins are going to be pretty resistant to that idea as well, for obvious reasons.

     

    The difference between the Twins and teams that do it right is that they construct their roster with this strategy in mind. 

     

    But I would argue that the Twins could plattoon a lot more than they do.   Joe Mauer is not an elite hitter anymore that needs to play 150 times a year.  Plouffe against righties is not a no brainer that needs to be started everyday.   And a $24M commitment over four years to Park should not lock him in as your everyday guy.  Buxton is probably going to take days off to clear his head after a bad couple of games in a row (where Rosario can slide to CF).  So 3B, RF, LF, DH, 1B could  become positions that are less static.  I am not suggesting Mauer sits against lefties or Plouffe against all righties.  But if you give those guys their positions 120-130 times and mix and match the rest we could likely score more runs.

     

    I think the Twins are too traditional in their thinking

     

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    The difference between the Twins and teams that do it right is that they construct their roster with this strategy in mind. 

     

    But I would argue that the Twins could plattoon a lot more than they do.   Joe Mauer is not an elite hitter anymore that needs to play 150 times a year.  Plouffe against righties is not a no brainer that needs to be started everyday.   And a $24M commitment over four years to Park should not lock him in as your everyday guy.  Buxton is probably going to take days off to clear his head after a bad couple of games in a row (where Rosario can slide to CF).  So 3B, RF, LF, DH, 1B could  become positions that are less static.  I am not suggesting Mauer sits against lefties or Plouffe against all righties.  But if you give those guys their positions 120-130 times and mix and match the rest we could likely score more runs.

     

    I think the Twins are too traditional in their thinking

    I agree. I'm not even looking for a strict platoon; I'd be happy with occasionally rotating guys in and out of the lineup as it suits the team's needs.

     

    Outside of Sano, no hitter on this team is so good they can't sit occasionally against a weak side starter. After we've seen Dozier fade down the stretch in two consecutive seasons, it's pretty obvious he could use more breaks in the schedule. Santana doesn't seem to have a real strong/weak side split so maybe Molitor should think about trimming Dozier down to 145-150 games this season. He's not a big dude and a little rest certainly isn't going to hurt his power swing. Rest him against RHP when it makes sense.

     

    I'm going to be disappointed if we see the same lineup roll out for weeks on end. This team has flexibility right now... No, it's not the ideal form of flexibility but it's flexibility none-the-less. Use it to your advantage. That means everybody whose first name isn't Miguel either rotates around the diamond or gets a break once every week or two based on pitcher matchup.

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    I agree. I'm not even looking for a strict platoon; I'd be happy with occasionally rotating guys in and out of the lineup as it suits the team's needs.

     

    Outside of Sano, no hitter on this team is so good they can't sit occasionally against a weak side starter. After we've seen Dozier fade down the stretch in two consecutive seasons, it's pretty obvious he could use more breaks in the schedule. Santana doesn't seem to have a real strong/weak side split so maybe Molitor should think about trimming Dozier down to 145-150 games this season. He's not a big dude and a little rest certainly isn't going to hurt his power swing. Rest him against RHP when it makes sense.

     

    I'm going to be disappointed if we see the same lineup roll out for weeks on end. This team has flexibility right now... No, it's not the ideal form of flexibility but it's flexibility none-the-less. Use it to your advantage. That means everybody whose first name isn't Miguel either rotates around the diamond or gets a break once every week or two based on pitcher matchup.

     

    Yup.  Totally on the same page. 

     

    It will be interesting to see if they start being more flexible or not.  If they don't, I have a hard time getting very optimistic about the franchise even as a young, talented group may emerge.

     

    I feel like we will always spot certain teams 1-3 wins every year.

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