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    Tom Froemming

    Twins pitchers have been much more successful this season when Jason Castro has been behind the plate. Are there stats we can point to that prove he’s a far superior game caller/pitcher whisperer than Chris Gimenez? Or are there too many variables that cloud the numbers?

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    One of the fun parts that came from the Twins signing Castro as a free agent over the winter was we had numerous writers take deep dives into the value of catcher framing. Castro has long been considered to be excellent at presenting pitches, and the numbers indicate he’s having another good season.

    Castro ranks ninth in the league in framing runs above average, but what about his game calling and ability to manage a pitching staff? Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to be any good way of quantifying those things.

    Twins pitchers have performed significantly better when throwing to Castro than Gimenez. Is that trend likely to continue? That I’m not sure. In terms of framing, Gimenez is no slouch, either. He ranks 31st among the 83 catchers Baseball Prospectus has ranked.

    Gimenez also controls the running game well and, at least from the outside looking in, seems to be one of the more fun guys to be around on the team. Plus, he’s provided valuable versatility and has even hit better than Castro this year.

    If it sounds like I’m trying to butter him up before I drop the hammer, it’s because that’s exactly what’s happening. I like Gimenez, and think he’s a good backup catcher, but the following numbers don’t put him in a positive light.

    Overall team stats

    Pitching to Castro: 587.2 IP, 4.13 ERA, .758 OPS against, .286 BABIP

    Pitching to Gimenez: 267.9 IP, 6.30 ERA, .882 OPS against, .324 BABIP

    Castro: 26 of 65 starts (40%) have come against teams with OPS above league average.

    Gimenez: 10 of 31 (32.3%) starts have come against teams with OPS above league average.

    Broken down by pitcher (minimum 50 IP total this season)

    Ervin Santana

    Castro: 96.2 IP, 2.61 ERA, .664 OPS against, .244 BABIP

    Gimenez: 33. IP, 5.18 ERA, .745 OPS against, .172 BABIP

    Kyle Gibson

    Castro: 56.2 IP, 6.19 ERA, .879 OPS against, .323 BABIP

    Gimenez: 38.0 IP, 5.92 ERA, .912 OPS against, .342 BABIP

    Jose Berrios

    Castro: 42.0 IP, 3.00 ERA, .558 OPS against, .254 BABIP

    Gimenez: 37.2 IP, 4.06 ERA, .776 OPS against, .297 BABIP

    Adalberto Mejia

    Castro: 55.2 IP, 4.04 ERA, .754 OPS against, .279 BABIP

    Gimenez: 14.2 IP, 4.91 ERA, .915 OPS against, .308 BABIP

    Hector Santiago

    Castro: 60.0 IP, 4.65 ERA, .715 OPS against, .242 BABIP

    Gimenez: 10.1 IP, 11.32 ERA, 1.109 OPS against, .387 BABIP

    Phil Hughes

    Castro : 28.2 IP, 6.91 ERA, 1.046 OPS against, .388 BABIP

    Gimenez: 25.0 IP, 3.96 ERA, .709 OPS against, .263 BABIP

    I’m confident in concluding that Castro has been much better at the game calling/pitcher handling aspect than Gimenez this season. I’m less confident saying Gimenez has been downright bad at it.

    Santana has thrown by far the most innings for the Twins this season, so his numbers weigh heavily on the team stats. So this could be the case where, for whatever reason, Ervin is much more comfortable pitching to Castro and his splits have skewed the big picture.

    There is some debate whether looking at catcher ERA between two guys on the same team is even valuable, but it really doesn’t hold much value when comparing guys on different teams. I’m going to do it anyway. For what it’s worth (maybe nothing) Gimenez has the worst catcher ERA among all players with at least 10 starts behind the plate.

    If it sounds like I’m having a hard time drawing conclusions from all this info, it’s because I am. That’s where you come in. Let me know what you think.

    Full disclosure: I am a huge Mitch Garver fan, but I see no reason why he can’t coexist on the roster with both Castro and Gimenez (assuming they use a four-man bench). Along with catching, Garver has played some left field and first base down in Rochester. He’s having a fantastic season, but his ability to hit lefties (.996 OPS) would be particularly valuable on the big club. So I see Mitch more as a bench bat who can catch than a threat to take over as the primary backup catcher.

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    In my very humble and very old-school opinion, I would prefer a catcherthat can hit some, call a decent game, and most importantly, throw out base stealers. All the other "modern" metrics can be thrown in the garbage. Again, in my very humble and old-school opinion.

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    Call up Garner! What are the Twins waiting for?

     

    Gimenez isn't performing so poorly that they need to dump him now (see Breslow, Craig). They can wait five weeks and call up Garver September 1 and at that point, relegate Gimenez to performing the task for which he is best suited, namely pitching mop-up in games that are out of hand.

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    I don't really believe in Catcher ERA as an indicator of much... but I don't think anyone would question that Castro is the better defensive catcher. That's how he got the 3 year, $24+ million contract, and Gimenez signed on a minor league deal. But that stat does little for me. Way too many other variables go into that.

     

    That said, I have obviously been a Garver guy since he was my choice for minor league hitter of the year in 2014 in Cedar Rapids. And now his play, offense and defense have improved to the point where he's ready. For me, instead of continuing to call up Vargas, I'd call up Garver as a #3 catcher/1B/DH/PH guy. 

     

    Garver should have been called up a long time ago.  The idea of "ready" is really immaterial.  The move from minors, at any level, to MLB is a big step that few rookies are "ready".

     

    On the other hand, Garver is already 26 years old,  will turn 27 before the start of next season, and has a .905 OPS in AAA over the past two seasons.  IF he is not ready now, when will he be???  WHen he is a 34 year old, marginal catcher like Gimenez?  Then will he look interesting to this Front Office.

     

    And, to address a point you and others made in a previous thread:  OF COURSE, you treat Garver, a college draft pick, DIFFERENTLY than you treat a high school draft pick in their minor league development.  You missed the contrast.  While the Yankees drafted JOhn Ryan Murphy as an 18 year old high school catcher, they moved him up aggressively enough so that he made the Yankees roster as a 22 year old.  When you draft a COLLEGE player, they should be much more advanced so that you can move them up the minor leagues faster, more aggressively.  Murphy's first attempt at the majors was a call up from AA as a 22 year old who was not even close to the minor league hitter/catcher that Garver is.  

     

    The second point that is ignored is that Garver has been in the Twins organization that is in extreme rebuild mode:  they have lost 96, 92, 79, 103 games in the seasons Garver has been part of the organization.  

     

    Thirdly, the catchers for this team through Garver's time with the organization have been Kurt Suzuki/Eric Fryer/Juan Ceneno.  Claiming Garver isn't ready and then putting Eric Fryer in the game is ridiculous.  

     

    TO try to compete is one thing.  I get the "playoff run", but this team isn't good enough for a playoff run. The fluke 2015 season should have taught us this lesson already.  Lets position this team to compete when it is actually ready to compete.  Lets find out who in the organization that can play, starting with Mitch Garver and others, and then fill in the spots we cannot fill from the organization with mediocre players like Jaime Garcia where needed.

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    Gimenez isn't performing so poorly that they need to dump him now (see Breslow, Craig). They can wait five weeks and call up Garver September 1 and at that point, relegate Gimenez to performing the task for which he is best suited, namely pitching mop-up in games that are out of hand.

    Probably apples to oranges, but just for fun, Gimenez actually has the exact same bWAR as Breslow at this point (negative 0.1), so relative to his respective position, he is in fact performing just as poorly as Breslow by at least one metric.

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    Garver should be up before the NL games start. He can hit, and has positional flexibility. Perfect guy for NL rules. Of course, they are calling up another RP instead.

    No brainer to call up a reliever for today.

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    Turner is finally back on the Reds active roster after suspect long DL for mysterious hammey...... has been in 20 games with 43 PAs. The Reds are carrying 3 catchers again. I guess they really want him and his .179 average and .489 OPS. I remember when catchers were expected to hit, and did...... and it wasn't that long ago. Now... shortstops don't need to hit, catchers don't need to hit, center fielders don't need to hit.... it really is ridiculous. 

    Actually, these days SS's ARE expected to hit.  And, its only OUR CF's who aren't expected to hit.

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