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  1. Grading the Twins 2021 Rookie Debuts

    flpmagikat and 7 others reacted to jmlease1 for a post in a topic

    8 points
    He didn't define it by "are you eligible for MLB's Rookie of the Year", he was talking about rookies making their MLB debut, aka "how did these guys do in their first taste of MLB". There's no need to be so damned snotty.
  2. The Oakland Athletics drafted Oklahoma outfielder Kyler Murray with the 9th pick in the 2018 Draft. One year and one round later, the Twins drafted Matt Canterino out of Rice. Murray wouldn’t join the A’s, instead opting to quarterback the Arizona Cardinals en route to NFL stardom. Canterino signed with the Twins for $1.1 million. While Murray and Canterino have taken different paths, the two crossed for a duel in Texas. Murray stepped into the box and came up empty against the right-hander. “I struck him out,” Canterino said. Striking hitters out has become a common occurrence for Canterino, who fanned 45 of the 84 batters he faced in a shortened 2021 season. Canterino suffered from elbow tendinitis, ending his dominant campaign prematurely. Canterino, 24, has pitched just 48 Minor League innings since he graduated with a 4.0 GPA in Mechanical Engineering from Rice University. In those 48 innings, he’s struck out 76 and allowed just six total runs for a 1.13 ERA. Rice has a history of pushing pitchers, and the Twins were uber-conservative with Canterino’s workload after the draft in 2019. Then COVID-19 canceled the 2020 Minor League season. Canterino eclipsed 94 or more innings in all three of his seasons in college, which he said shows an aptitude to handle a larger share. So far this offseason, so good. “I’m feeling very healthy and feeling very, very strong.” A herky-jerky, “hitch” delivery helps Canterino generate a fastball in the upper-90s. The 6-foot-2 Texan pairs that fastball, which contains excellent carry, with a sharp, biting slider and an improved changeup. He compared his delivery and mix to future Hall of Famer Clayton Kershaw. Canterino’s changeup moves like a splitter, with enough depth to dart away from lefties and crowd righties who may be looking fastball or slider. That three-pitch combination held hitters to a minuscule .111/.186/.148 batting line in 2021. “I want to think that with success I had in limited reps this year, I want to think that I can sustain that over a full season.” Sustaining a 0.78 ERA and 54% strikeout rate over an entire season would propel Canterino to the top of prospect lists everywhere and likely to Minnesota. Anything close to those gaudy numbers will undoubtedly move Canterino into the Major League picture for late-2022 and early 2023. Canterino dominated High-A hitters in 2021 and could be slated for the Double-A Wichita rotation in 2022. No matter where he pitches next season, you can bet that Canterino will have a PEZ dispenser or two handy. Often greeting his 2019 teammates and coaches with a “howdy!” prompted a pitching coach to tag Canterino with the nickname Woody, referring to the famous cowboy from Toy Story. In response, Canterino bought a five-pound bag of PEZ candy and handed it out via a Woody-themed dispenser. He carried the tradition into 2021 and plans to run it back in 2022. Canterino said he recently added a Buzz Lightyear PEZ dispenser, Woody’s galactic best friend from the movies. “If you ever catch me on a day I’m not pitching, Woody will be in my left pocket, and Buzz will be in my right.” Canterino is gearing up with his PEZ dispensers for a January return to Fort Myers. “It’s all systems go for 2022.” MORE FROM TWINS DAILY — Order the Offseason Handbook — Latest Twins coverage from our writers — Recent Twins discussion in our forums — Follow Twins Daily via Twitter, Facebook or email
  3. I think by the end of 2022 we will finally be able to grade that trade. I am betting Alcala will be a dominant RP this year we saw at the end of 2021 and we have him for 4 more years. I think we see quite a bit of Celestino too.
  4. Who wants to be the Rays?

    roger and 4 others reacted to Major League Ready for a post in a topic

    5 points
    The Twins have enough incremental revenue in comparison to the Rays that they can keep a couple of top players. The cant keep them all like the Dodgers but we can keep the most critical players. The Dodgers went from focusing on established talent (trades for established players & free agents) to a Rays type model and they have sustained excellence. Of course, the difference is they can pretty much keep all of their top players. They have built a powerhouse by keeping their best prospects. They have been very careful with long-term free agent acquisitions. It's the Rays model for a team with over double the revenue. We don't have to churn players the way the Rays do. What we need to do is exercise patients like the Rays. That means not trading good prospects for 1-2 year assets. It means not signing free agent SPs when you have several pitching prospects ready for their shot. For the Rays, it means never signing free agent pitchers to 5+ year deals because the rate of failure is simply to high. Our incremental revenue makes it more viable to sign a front of the rotation guy to a long-term contract if they build the rest of the staff from within.
  5. Grading the Twins 2021 Rookie Debuts

    DocBauer and 3 others reacted to Trov for a post in a topic

    4 points
    Kiriloff was encouraging because he was hitting the ball hard and all over the field. He started to get hits to land when he hurt his wrist, which eventually required surgery. I believe that accounts for much of his drop off. I have little worry for him. Larnach on the other hand he seems to not have much excuse other than failing to adjust to pitching. He worries me if he does not make the adjustments of how MLB pitchers will pitch to him. Hopefully a new year he has a new mind set. Gordan did what he always does, starts off a new level very slow but gets better over time. I still hope he gets an actual shot to show what he can do in regular time. He has always been slow to adjust to new level of competition. Jax strikes me as future pen guy. Limit his pitch mix and let him go all out for shorter period I think will work best for him. Ober I am excited about as he got better over time, which is always a sign of improving. Ryan seemed good right away and I am excited for him too. I do expect some regression but he has the confidence for sure. Celentio was pushed due to injuries and never would have played otherwise. Hopefully he can develop into either a trade piece, a 4th outfielder, or the fill in for Buck when he gets injured.
  6. 4 points
    I don't know who on earth would have predicted that Wade would hit 18 homers. I don't blame them for trading him, especially given that he was left-handed. I do wish they would have gotten a player that had some actual value, though. That's the real mistake to me.
  7. Who wants to be the Rays?

    roger and 3 others reacted to Major League Ready for a post in a topic

    4 points
    I agreed with you entire post Doc but wanted to highlight this portion. I don't believe for a second they changed their mind because of public pressure. They are not out polling the public. They understood a long time ago the fans loved Buxton and just like many of us here, Buxton was a priority for them. However, this was a unique situation with his injury history which made it difficult to come to an agreement both sides could live with. There was no need to rush the deal and in the end they got it done.
  8. Grading the Twins 2021 Rookie Debuts

    Hunter48 and 3 others reacted to tony&rodney for a post in a topic

    4 points
    Kirilloff made his regular season debut in 2021. He made an appearance in the 2020 post season. Those are kept as separate categories. Simple misunderstanding that many might miss. The post was just for 2021 regular season debuts.
  9. Grading the Twins 2021 Rookie Debuts

    Hunter48 and 3 others reacted to wabene for a post in a topic

    4 points
    Well if we gotta quibble then his official debut was 2021 since the game in 2020 was during the playoffs. I think that was stated in the article, but I'm too lazy to look.
  10. Grading the Twins 2021 Rookie Debuts

    Hunter48 and 3 others reacted to old nurse for a post in a topic

    4 points
    When the title says DEBUT perhaps you should be less critical of meanings of words
  11. 4 points
    Yeah I get that he was a rookie. I was just talking about players who debuted in ‘21
  12. 4 points
    No I left him off because he made his debut in 2020
  13. If shine means be one of the dominant pitchers in the league .... none. Berrios was bad his first year. The benchmark I am looking for will be pitchers that prove with little doubt they have what it takes to pitch at the top level and are here to stay. Another way of looking at might be they prove they are part of the solution. 2-3 guys who pass that measure as SPs would be great. I think we are also going to see a couple new BP guys emerge and this will be the year Alcala becomes the dominant RP we have been hoping he would become.
  14. I looked up the baseball definition of "shine" and Webster said it was an acronym which stands for "Slightly Higher In Nicknelson's Expectations".
  15. Hey, it’s the Christmas season and there’s no real baseball on TV. Nor is there any real baseball news, and I don’t want to discuss one more time whether the Twins are in rebuild or retool mode. But it’s a wonderful life, and there are movies to watch. On a recent road trip with my son, we tried to come up with the starting lineup on the All-Time Baseball Movie team. These are the fictional guys. It would be too easy to insert Lou Gehrig from Pride of the Yankees and Babe Ruth from any number of films. Here’s what we’ve got. Add your comments and rebuttals below. Leading off and playing center field, we have to go with the speedster Willie Mays Hayes from Major League. The original version, not Major League II, III or whatever they’re up to by now. When you hit like Mays and run like Hayes, you gotta be in the lineup. Hayes is a tough call in center over Kelly Leake from Bad News Bears and Benny “The Jet” Rodriguez from The Sandlot, but you clearly gotta keep the latter on the roster as a pinch runner. Batting second and playing left field will be Shoeless Joe. I know that I said this is fictional and Joe Jackson was real, but the movie is clearly a fantasy, and we’re talking about perhaps the best-known character in the genre. With that line drive back through the box off Ray, he’s clearly adept at going with the pitch, a skill we’re looking for in our No. 2 hitter. Batting third, where we want one of our best hitters, we have to go with The Natural, Roy Hobbs. He plays rightfield and has the lineup’s best walk-up music. If you don’t believe that, just stay after any minor league game for the fireworks show and you’ll get a listen. It’s not intentional to have worked our way around the outfield with top three spots in the order, but it came out that way. We’re kinda going to continue that by finding a way to get Major Leaguer Pedro Cerrano’s bat in the lineup, which we’ll do in the cleanup spot as the DH. Movies don’t tend to have the DH in a starring role, but Jobu hits the fastball very much. Oh, and don’t steal his rum. Catcher is tough. Some of the genre’s best characters are behind the plate. I know I’m going to get flack for not choosing Crash Davis from Bull Durham, but the dude’s a career minor league. Stay tuned, I’ve got a spot for him. Similarly, Jake Taylor from Major League is a gamer, a masterful bunter and a great handler of a pitching staff. And then there’s Hamilton Porter from The Sandlot. I don’t think I can go with him, but we need him on the bench – there can’t be a better bench jockey and trash talker in the league. But all those pale compare to the one who truly was in a League of her (Their) Own, Dottie Hinson. She’ll woman the backstop and bat fifth. Following her in the lineup and batting sixth is her teammate. Playing second base, we have the window breaking slugger, Marla Hooch. First base is a hitter’s spot, but it’s actually a little weak in the movies. Granted, Clu Heywood leads the Major League in most offensive categories, including nose hair, but we only want the good guys on our team, so we can’t use him. Similarly, Mr. 3000 is just such a bad movie that I’m not going to use Stan Ross. That leaves us with another aging slugger, back from Japan, Mr. Baseball Jack Eliot, and he’ll bat seventh. Third base is another sparse one. The potentially obvious choice here is Roger Dorn, but he pretty much showed himself a clubhouse cancer throughout Major League, so we’ll have to pass. Instead, we’ll go with our third pick from League of Their Own, Doris Murphy. She can rub teammates the wrong way, as witnessed by her taking on Kit Hinson after a rough game, but she’s clearly a gamer, the kind of player who want as a spark batting near the bottom of the lineup at No. 8. Finally, we need a shortstop. Amazingly with such a glamour position, I couldn’t come up with a good standout shortstop from a baseball movie. I mean, with his way of coaching up teammates, it seems likely that “The Jet” Rodriguez could pull out his inner Cesar Tovar and play there, but I don’t think he actually does in the movie. But I’ve got an unnamed sleeper. Unnamed in that I couldn’t remember his name ever being used in the movie. But you need defense up the middle, and with that final play to come in and bare hand the tipped ball to preserve the perfecto at the end of “For Love of the Game,” this unnamed guy will play short and bat ninth. By contrast, though it may seem that the lineup is a bit weak at the bottom, we’ve got a loaded rotation. He is, by definition, a Rookie (of the Year), but with the bionic arm, Henry Rowengartner is in the mix. I like to work young guys in slowly, so I’m going to start him at No. 5 in the rotation. And speaking of youth, we’ll have another youngster in the No. 4 spot, Amanda Wurlitzer from the Bad News Bears. Despite her youth, she does have championship experience, leading the Bears to the title game. At No. 3, we’ll go with Bingo Long from his Traveling All-Stars & Motor Kings. He’s based on Satchel Paige, so that’s impressive. Picking between the top two spots were tough, but I had to go with experience. I like Ebby Calvin “Nuke” LaLoosh’s million dollar arm in Bull Durham, but I don’t want someone with a five-cent head getting the start on opening day, so he’ll have to wait for game two. Which means that our opening day starter will be Billy Chapel from For Love of the Game. When you wrap up your Hall of Fame career with a perfect game and demonstrate that “the cathedral that is Yankee Stadium belongs to a Chapel,” you’ve shown you have the moxie to get the Opening Day start. There’s several noteworthy candidates to fill out the staff while pitching out of the bullpen, including Kit Hinson from League of the Their and Eddie Harris from Major League, but we know that it will be the Wild Thing, Ricky Vaughn from Major League, marching out of the bullpen to close games after a stellar career in the California Penal League. The team’s top pitching prospect is the newly signed Rigo (“Peanut Boy”) Sanchez from Trouble with the Curve. So there’s the roster. But before we get away, we have to recognize that it takes more than players to run a team. You need a coaching staff, for example, and baseball movies have given us a few. Because they formed the best manager/coach duo, our team will be led by Pop Fisher and Red Blow from The Natural. There are other noteworthy coach/managers who can fill out the coaching staff, namely Frank Perry (For Love of the Game), Jimmy Dugan (League of Their Own) and Lou Brown (Major League). I’m big on character, so it’s against my better judgment, but I did save a spot for Morris Buttermaker from the Bad News Bears. Also in the dugout will young Bobby Savoy (The Natural) as our batboy. Billy Heywood from Little Big League was a choice for the coaching staff, but I realized that he has to be the team owner, since several other of the team owners portrayed are dirtbags. Think of Rachel Phelps from Major League and The Judge from The Natural. Heywood’s more seasoned ownership partners include Gary Wheeler (For Love of the Game) and candy bar mogul Walter Harvey (League of Their Own). Also in the team’s administration is GM Ira Lowenstein (League of Their Own). He oversees a scouting staff that includes by Gus Lobel (Trouble with the Curve) and Ernie Capadino (A League of Their Own). The latter is known for his skill in negotiating contracts, as demonstrated in signing the Hinson sisters. For astutely observing how much better Pete Taylor has been playing since his parents came to visit, Pete Klein (Trouble with the Curve) will head the team’s analytics department. Heading the scouting staff, and likely working her way up to GM on her own, is Mickey Lobel from Trouble with the Curve. With such a varied range of experience on our team, there are bound to be injuries, and we’ve got the best possible medical staff in place. Heading the group is Doc Archibald (Moonlight) Graham from Field of Dreams. Assisting him, with specializations in providing CPR and overseeing the pool at the training facility is Wendy Peffercorn from The Sandlot. A team like this needs a place to play, and fortunately they have stadium architect extraordinaire Ray Kinsella (Field of Dreams). As noted above, I do have a backup plan for Crash Davis. He’ll assist Ray as groundskeeper, with particular expertise in managing the irrigation system. Also of note in game day management is Frank Drummond (Naked Gun), who will serve as stadium security. He’s also been known to fill in for Enrico Polazzo in singing the National Anthem. A team like this certainly deserves media coverage. Again, there’s lots to choose from in the broadcasting department, since using an announcer is often part of what helps the plot flow in sports movies. They’re playing themselves, so our rules keep us from naming John Gordon (Little Big League), Vin Scully (For Love of the Game) and Curt Gowdy, Jim Palmer, Tim McCarver, Mel Allen, Dick Enberg and Dick Vitale, all from Naked Gun. But even if that rule didn’t apply, the broadcasting gig would still have to go to Harry Doyle from Major League. And finally, we need someone to wax eloquent and write Roger Angell-like essays. The clear choice for that would be Terrance Mann. So, how’d I do? Who’d I miss?
  16. 3 points
    In 2021, 10 Twins made their Major League debuts with various amounts of success. Nonetheless, a lot of these guys could play major roles in contributing to the future success of the team. Let’s see how they did. Alex Kirilloff, OF/1B Even though Alex Kirilloff played a game in the playoffs in 2020, he didn’t officially make his major league debut until April 14, 2021. Kirilloff had a rough start at the plate, going 0-for-15 to start his career despite some bad batted-ball luck. In April, Kirilloff’s xSLG was an otherworldly .825 but his actual slugging percentage was only .400. His average exit velocity was 95.4 MPH in April and 93 MPH in May. However, on May 5, the Twins placed Kirilloff on the IL because of a wrist injury. Kirilloff returned to the lineup on May 21 and was not the same the rest of the season, only hitting .260/.316/.387 the rest of the year. On July 21, it was announced that Kirilloff would undergo season-ending wrist surgery. In 2021, Kirilloff hit .251/.299/.423 (.722) but a lot of that was impacted by his nagging wrist injury. Lately, Kirilloff has been taking batting practice and should be ready to go for the 2022 season. Kirilloff remains an extremely promising player and should be a middle-of-the-order bat for the Twins for years to come. Grade: B Ben Rortvedt, C After Ryan Jeffers started the season 5-for-34 with 18 strikeouts and only one extra base hit, the Twins called up left-handed hitting Ben Rortvedt to back up Mitch Garver. On April 30, Rortvedt made his major league debut against the Kansas City Royals, going 1-for-3 with a walk. He recorded his first major league hit in the bottom of the eighth inning, hitting an RBI single off of Wade Davis to drive in Andrelton Simmons. Rortvedt was unimpressive at the plate in 2021, hitting .169/.229/.281 (.510) with three home runs in 98 plate appearances. Behind the plate, Rortvedt was a very good catcher. In only 256 innings, Rortvedt was worth five Defensive Runs Saved. This ranked 19th in all of MLB, and nobody else in the top 30 had less than 300 innings. Rortvedt also has a very good arm, throwing out 7 of 16 potential base stealers (44 percent). That was fourth in all of MLB among catchers with at least 200 innings. Rortvedt was a very good defensive catcher with subpar offensive abilities. If he can take a step forward with his bat, he has the potential to be an important part of the Twins future, especially if the Twins decide to trade Garver or Jeffers to acquire starting pitching. Grade: C Nick Gordon, UTIL Growing up in a baseball family, Nick Gordon had lofty expectations since being drafted in the first round by the Twins in 2014. Since then, he has had struggles with health and he became a bit of an afterthought in terms of Twins prospects. So when he made his Major League debut on May 6th, it was a feel good story for all. In his first plate appearance, he walked and then stole second on the next pitch. In his next plate appearance, he roped a single to right field for his first major league hit and then stole second base five pitches later. Gordon struck out his next plate appearance before being lifted for Jorge Polanco in the 8th inning. Gordon finished the day 1-for-2 with a walk and two stolen bases. On June 4, Gordon hit his first big league homer with his dad in the stands. Gordon was below-average with the bat, hitting .240/.292/.355 (.647). As the season progressed, Gordon greatly improved offensively. In September and October, Gordon had an OPS of .752 and a wRC+ of 103, meaning he was slightly above average in those months. He also was hitting the ball harder as the season progressed. Below is a graph of his hard hit rate by month. All season, Gordon’s hard hit rate hovered around 45 percent but in September it jumped to 63 percent. This is very encouraging to see from a young player. Gordon also was very versatile and showed he could move around the diamond which can be very beneficial for a team. He played at least 10 games at shortstop, second base, left field, and center field. He was also a good baserunner, going 10-for11 on stolen bases. He was in the 71st percentile of all players in sprint speed. Gordon could be a valuable asset for the Twins going forward if he continues to build off of his strong September and continues to be versatile. Grade: C+ Trevor Larnach, OF Ever since they drafted Trevor Larnach with the 20th overall pick in the 2018 draft, the Twins have had high expectations for him. After an impressive 2019 season between High-A and AA, Larnach has looked ready for the big leagues. He finally got his wish on May 8th, when he was the starting left fielder against the Detroit Tigers. Larnach didn’t exactly have a debut to remember, going 0-for-4 with a hit-by-pitch. Larnach picked up his first hit on May 12, when he doubled off of former Twin Liam Hendriks. Larnach got off to a good start in the big leagues, hitting .262/.357/.436 with a 120 wRC+ through July 9. After that date, Larnach was abysmal at the plate. From that point on he had a wRC+ of 29 and struck out in 42 percent of his plate appearances. He was not a great hitter against offspeed pitches. Among all MLB hitters with at least 50 plate appearances, Larnach had the highest whiff rate against sliders (56 percent) and the highest whiff rate against changeups (52 percent). The good news is that Larnach hit .362 with a .667 slugging percentage against fastballs. Teams figured out he had issues against offspeed and started throwing over 50 percent of pitches as offspeed pitches. Larnach showed some flashes of being a great hitter (max exit velocity in the 97th percentile), so if he adjusts to offspeed pitches he will be a cornerstone of the Twins lineup for years to come Grade: B- Bailey Ober, RHP At 6 feet 9 inches, Bailey Ober is the third tallest pitcher in Twins history behind Jon Rauch and Aaron Slegers. Ober and his imposing presence first appeared in the big leagues on May 18 against the Chicago White Sox. Ober went four innings, allowing four runs on five hits and one walk. He gave up home runs to Jake Lamb and Yasmani Grandal and struck out four. He got a no-decision and the Twins ended up winning 5-4 behind three Miguel Sano home runs. Ober made 20 starts in his rookie season, going 3-3 with a 4.19 ERA. Ober threw 92 innings and had a team high 5.05 K/BB ratio. This ratio was fifth best in the American League. Ober was in the 94th percentile of all pitchers in terms of walk rate and in the 85th percentile in terms of chase rate. Ober hardly threw pitches outside of the zone but when he did, hitters chased them at a high rate. Ober’s average fastball in 2021 was only 92 miles per hour, but his big frame causes the batters to have less reaction time because the ball is being released at around 52 feet from home plate, almost a foot closer than the average pitcher releases it from. This creates the illusion that Ober’s fastball is moving faster than it actually is. Despite having below average stuff (percentile rankings below), Ober’s large frame elevates him to being a good pitcher (102 ERA+) and if Ober can improve his stuff in the coming years he could be a fantastic pitcher for the Twins. Grade: A- Gilberto Celestino, OF With injuries to Byron Buxton, Max Kepler, Jake Cave, and Rob Refsnyder early in 2021, the Twins needed a center fielder. They decided to call up Gilberto Celestino from AA, and he made his major league debut on June 2 against the Orioles. Celestino had a rather uneventful debut, going 0-for-2 with a strikeout in a 6-3 loss. Celestino recorded his first major league hit on June 9 against the Yankees. Over the 2021 season, Celestino mightily struggled at the plate with the Twins, hitting .136/.177/.288 (.466). It was clear Celestino was overmatched at the big league level, so they sent him down to AAA St. Paul after 22 games, and he hit well at the AAA level, having a wRC+ of 125 in 49 games there. In retrospect, Celestino wasn’t ready for the big leagues but is still a good ball player. Having some big league experience under his belt will help him going forward, and he could be Byron Buxton’s primary backup going forward so we probably will be seeing Celestino in the big leagues again at some point in 2022. Grade: D Griffin Jax, RHP On June 8, Griffin Jax made history. He became the first Air Force Academy graduate to play Major League Baseball. Jax was used in a mop-up role against the Yankees in the 9th inning when the Twins were down 5-3. Jax did not have a very good debut, going one inning while allowing three runs on home runs from Miguel Andujar and Gary Sanchez. He did record his first big league strikeout when he struck out Tyler Wade on a 2-2 slider. In 2021, Griffin Jax had a tough rookie season. He went 4-5 with a 6.37 ERA. He allowed 2.52 HR/ 9 innings which was the highest among all MLB pitchers (minimum 60 innings). That number is also the highest for a single season in Twins history (min. 60 IP). The big problem was his fastball. Jax’s fastball was the fifth worst fastball in all of baseball in terms of xSLG. Jax’s fastball got crushed in 2021, but he continued to throw it almost 50 percent of the time. Jax’s slider, on the other hand, could be a very good pitch. Jax’s .271 xwOBA against the slider is good and signals that it is a pitch he should be throwing more than just 30 percent of the time, maybe up to 50 percent. Despite a bad 2021, Jax could bounce back by relying more on his off-speed pitches and revamping his pitch arsenal going into 2022. Grade: D Charlie Barnes, LHP Charlie Barnes made his major league debut in the first game of a July 17 doubleheader with the Detroit Tigers. After the first batter he faced (Robbie Grossman) went deep, Barnes was very good. Barnes went 4 2/3 innings, allowing one run on four hits and a walk while striking out one. He recorded his first major league strikeout in the second inning when he struck out Zack Short on a changeup. In Barnes’s rookie season, he went 0-3 with a 5.92 ERA. Barnes made eight starts for the Twins and threw 38 total innings. Barnes bounced back and forth between the Twins and the minor leagues quite a bit, so he never really got the chance to establish himself at the big league level. On December 23, Barnes signed with the Lotte Giants in Korea, so we wish him the best of luck in Korea as he pursues professional baseball there. Grade: D Joe Ryan, RHP Any prospect who yields a player as good as Nelson Cruz should be good enough to make an impact in the big leagues for a long time. On September 1st, Joe Ryan gave us a taste of what he will be like for years to come. Ryan had a solid major league debut, going five innings, allowing three runs on three hits and a walk while striking out five batters. He got his first career strikeout in the first inning when he struck out Ian Happ with a high fastball. Ryan had a solid debut season for the Twins, only throwing 26 innings, but going 2-1 with a 4.05 ERA. However, Ryan had some bad luck, as his xERA was 2.99. He also had 10.1 K/9 and only 1.7 BB/9. This 10.1 K/9 rate is the highest by any rookie starter in Twins history (min. 25 IP). Ryan relied on a very good high fastball/slider combination to get strikeouts. Going into 2022, Ryan is one of three starters the Twins have in the rotation. His role on the team will depend on if the Twins make any more pitching acquisitions, but expect Ryan to be a fixture in the Twins rotation next year. Grade: A- Jovani Moran, LHP Jovani Moran was very limited in year one, but he should be a fixture in the Twins bullpen in years to come. Moran made his major league debut on September 12 and went 1 1/3 innings, allowing no runs on two hits and two walks while striking out two batters. He collected his first major league strikeout when he got Nicky Lopez to chase a devastating changeup. Jovani Moran only threw eight innings for the Twins in 2021, and at first glance you wouldn’t think he was very good. He had an ERA of 7.88 and walked seven guys in eight innings. If you look deeper, Moran was unlucky. He had an xERA of 3.84, meaning he had some awful batted-ball luck. He also throws one of the best swing-and-miss pitches in the Twins organization, a disgusting changeup. His whiff rate on that pitch was an astounding 51.4 percent, meaning that over half of the swings on that pitch were misses. This changeup whiff rate was the fourth highest for any pitcher in the league. Moran was impressive in his limited work in 2021, and I am excited to see him and his changeup in the 2022 bullpen. Grade: B Final Thoughts Despite a rough season, the Twins gave us a glimpse into their future. We saw a lot to like out of some of the Twins young players in 2021 and if these players can take a step forward in 2022 and continue to develop, the Twins should be able to contend for the AL Central in the near future. What do you think of these grades? How would you grade these players for their rookie seasons? Which of these players are you most excited to watch in 2022? Who is the most likely of these players to succeed going forward? Let me know your thoughts in the comments! Thank you for reading, and Go Twins!
  17. New Years Resolutions: The Lineup

    TopGunn#22 and 2 others reacted to rv78 for a post in a topic

    3 points
    I would have to disagree with you about Sano. One of his biggest problems is that he chases pitches off the plate, especially when he has 2 strikes. I have said it many times on this site..... the 2 biggest holes in the lineup are Kepler and Sano and this team won't take the next step forward until they either figure out what they are doing wrong and correct it or are replaced with better hitters. I will go out on a limb and say it will be the latter.
  18. 3 points
    The most interesting point is the 4.0 gpa from Rice. Isn't Rice one of the top engineering and tech schools in the country? Was so very excited about what he was doing last year, and equally disappointed when he was shut down. Can anyone tell me if elbow tendinitis is a precursor for TJ surgery? Hope like heck it isn't, because this young man could be the best of the best of this crop of young guns approaching Target Field.
  19. Who wants to be the Rays?

    Dman and 2 others reacted to chpettit19 for a post in a topic

    3 points
    Gleeman is pretty well connected and he's reported multiple times that the Twins were entirely set to trade Buxton to the Phillies at the deadline if the Phillies had a premium prospect they could've added. He's also reported they were entirely set on trading him during the offseason, but Buxton came to them to get the deal done. I think it's more than believable that they had no plans to extend Buxton after talks broke down at the deadline. As long as he was still on their roster they had the chance to extend him, but I don't think they had any plans to until he pushed the issue. Then Levine got creative and they figured things out. Of course they aren't out there polling fans on street corners, but you think they don't have a finger on the pulse of the fanbase? You don't think the Pohlads saw the number of season ticket holders dropping, and the constant complaints from the fan base about trading both Berrios and Buxton in the span of 1 season? It's pretty widely accepted the Pohlads forced the Mauer deal since they didn't think the PR hit would be worth the saved money. The voice (well pocket books really) of the fans absolutely plays a role in FO decisions. They have interns who check out message boards, twitter, etc.. Their season ticket reps email and call ticket holders all the time to see what they're feeling. They host season ticket holder Q & As with the FO so fans can give feedback. It's a business and they're not in the business of alienating their customers. So maybe it was just that Buxton came to them, or maybe it was the fan pressure, but every report I've seen is that the Twins were entirely set on moving on from Buxton and done with the extension talks. More than possible that those reports are wrong, or I missed other reports. But I think it's more than reasonable to think they had moved on from extension talks just like they said they had at the deadline.
  20. Grading the Twins 2021 Rookie Debuts

    DocBauer and 2 others reacted to tony&rodney for a post in a topic

    3 points
    Grades are always odd entities. When a player's debut is RotY, Cy Young, MVP, or something akin to Bert Blyleven it almost seems heretical to pass out an A to anything that just exceeds our expectations and make us hopeful for future performance but is well below All Star status. The other end of the spectrum is a failing or low grade for a player forced into MLB play well before they are ready because there just isn't another body on the 40 person roster to put in uniform. Either way, judgments are made and the post is excellent with information. While I would not have handed out any A grades this year, I don't disagree with the analysis or judgments passed. I would have been too lenient on the lower end, so no fails. Ober, Ryan, and Kirilloff get S+; Moran, Barnes, Gordon, and Jax get an S; and Larnach, Celestino, and Rortvedt get an S-, which roughly corresponds to B, C, and C-. The player I expect to rise above all others is Kirilloff. I'm interested in watching how Ober and Moran develop as pitchers, and believe that Rortvedt could be much more than expected. Barnes was smart to take an opportunity to pitch in Korea because while I think he can be a decent pitcher in the big leagues, he wasn't going to get much of a chance. He can prove himself overseas and still make a living.
  21. 3 points
    Thanks. Good example of why it takes years to determine the outcome of some trades. This one could be very good for the Twins, but it may take seven or eight years to know.
  22. 3 points
    I think the grades are fair and no need to quibble about a slight adjustment here or there. Pretty right on. Was very encouraged how Celestino responded at AAA and have pretty high hopes for him going forward as a versatile regular who will probably be an excellent 4th OF with potential for more. Larnach was also rushed a bit and I'm not worried. Through college he always hit and has shown that ability and a decent eye in milb thus far. He just needs to settle in and learn and adjust some more. I think he's going to be fine. Speaking of being rushed, we've seen Rortvedt progress slowly but surely as a hitter with some power potential to go along with his great defense and game calling. Really hoping he can spend the majority of 2022 at St Paul to really get his bat right. He will probably never be a great hitter, but he doesn't have to be. All he needs is to be decent, not be a K machine, and jack some balls with his natural strength. I was actually impressed by Gordon more than some. Despite looking like a 16yo standing in with a uniform that didn't quite fit, he looked like he felt he belonged. He leaned the OF on the fly and appeared to have aptitude and ability there. I was also encouraged that he finished strong. I think he has a chance to be a nice utility player with speed and a bat that doesn't embarrass. The speed is NICE! Ryan flashed that he's a keeper. Not sure what more Ober could have done. My goodness, he's refined his delivery for better health, consistency and velocity and made adjustments all through the year. Expectations should be tempered for a pair of rookies, but I don't think either of these guys are #5 SP. Moran could be nasty with just a little more time and control. He may not break camp on the ML roster, but we're going to see a lot of him in 2022. Jax was inconsistent, to say the least, game to game and inning to inning. But that slider looks pretty nasty. I could see him developing in to a pretty good middle reliever.
  23. Who wants to be the Rays?

    Game7-91 and 2 others reacted to roger for a post in a topic

    3 points
    Interesting topic and discussion. One factor that wasn’t discussed is just how bad the stadium is. I have never been there, but have been led to believe it has terrible access in addition to being a dump. But what I am curious about is why so many of you crucify them for not spending more on player payroll. Isn’t their objective to win? They are doing that, better than most and arguably in baseball’s toughest division. How much they spend shouldn’t be a factor if they win more than most, should it? As someone who spent my life watching pennies in my businesses, I admire them.
  24. Grading the Twins 2021 Rookie Debuts

    h2oface and 2 others reacted to gman for a post in a topic

    3 points
    Do you understand the definition of rookie. Obviously not so why are you writing this article?
  25. Grading the Twins 2021 Rookie Debuts

    LoveMyPug and 2 others reacted to roger for a post in a topic

    3 points
    Very interesting. Perhaps the best grade overall was the fact eight young prospects got their feet wet and offer encouragement for the future (didn't include Gordon or Barnes in that group). We can all quibble with grading, however, believe your grades for both Rortvedt and Celestino were too low. Neither should have been in MLB before late last year at the earliest, thus, we should have expected their bats to be quiet. Considering that only Kirilloff was the only one who was a Top 5 prospect (Larnach wasn't top 5 last year, was he?), 2022 and beyond should be exciting for Twins fans.
  26. To me, 3-4 is the easy and obvious choice. Unless you want to include Ober and Ryan in the discussion, who have obviously already appeared and flashed despite being prospects. But we also need to define what "shining" means in regard to 2022. Ober and Ryan are still prospects, IMO, even though Ober has exceeded rookie status, based on IP. Winder is the next, obvious, next man up. I think Balzovic is the next, next man up. For both of these guys, it's just about being healthy and taking the bump daily after 2 weird years. Sands could be as good as either of these two. We keep forgetting about him. Why? Duran is the "wild card" because if the Twins could be, baseball gods bless, be in any sort of contention, he could be a late season arm for the pen before returning to the rotation. But I would do everything in my power to nurture and "baby" him in 2022 to keep him as a SP option going forward. Everyone forgets about Strotman, a top prospect who had TJ and then jumped to AAA bypassing AA ball. What's his future? He could be a 2022 surprise. I expect nothing in 2022 from SWR or Canterino because SWR is so damn young and had his 2021 year disheveled due to the Olympics. But I believe he will be ready for 2023. Canterino is a victim of 2020 and 2021 ramp up/injury. He just needs to be healthy and pitch. He'll be in AAA before the year is done. Like Duran, nurture the arm and don't give in to temptation to move him to the pen too soon. You didn't specify rotation arms vs SP arms. Unless the Twins made a mistake and someone drafts and keeps him, Jordan Gore will pitch for the Twins in 2022. Jax just might take his FB/slider combination and make a mark in the pen. There is a real chance Cano, and maybe Mason force themselves in to the pen. Not sure what "shine" means in regard to criteria, but a safe vote could be an easy vote 3-4, but there is easy potential for more.
  27. 2 points
    PLEASE don't banish him to the bullpen!!! Who cares if he's well aged in high A. I still don't see the rush to chuck him in the bullpen when he has shown such potential as a starter. Maybe as the September call up, but I'd rather see him as a bonafide starter at 27 than a bullpen arm at 25.
  28. 2 points
    Not convinced yet of Ober. He had some good moments but seldom was allowed to pitch into the fifth inning, so his ability to eat innings is unknown. That says fifth starter to me, which would be ok. Hope Baldelli shows a little more trust in him in 2022 and he earns it. Also not too optimistic on Jax but he’ll probably get some more chances.
  29. 2 points
    A big theme for me in the past year, and especially the past week, has been gratitude. During the Christmas holiday, I was able to spend time with numerous family members and close friends — in person. Maybe not as many as I would under "normal" circumstances but it was a seismic improvement over 2020, when these interactions largely took place through a computer screen. I wasn't going to take that for granted. I doubt I ever will again. One of the few silver linings to emerge from this awful pandemic is a renewed sense of perspective and awareness. You don't know what you've got til it's gone. As I look back on the 2021 Twins season, I'm struck by the same feelings. Around the All-Star break, I wrote up a post reflecting on the best and worst first half ever. It sort of summarizes my sentiments on the season as a whole. In terms of the product on the field, it sucked. The team was incredibly disappointing, and managed to effectively eliminate itself from contention by Memorial Day. There were heartbreaking defeats, devastating injuries, and seemingly endless setbacks. At the same time, to even HAVE a product on the field, and to be able to watch it live, in-person, surrounded by my baseball-loving brethren, was reinvigorating. I went to more games at Target Field than in any season before. I savored each moment in the ballpark, even as my favorite team spiraled before my eyes. A road trip to Kansas City with the wife in early June probably best epitomized my experience as a Twins fan in 2021. The six-hour cruise down I35 is one of our favorite summer traditions, and another that went conspicuously amiss in 2020. Arriving in time for a series opener between the Royals and Twins, we strolled into Kauffman Stadium on a gorgeous Friday night. After grabbing a couple of local beers, we found our way to our seats with the first inning already underway. Once we sat down, Matt Shoemaker had already given up three runs. By the end of the inning, that total would be nine. Like the Twins season as a whole, this game was really never competitive. In fact, it was at times kind of embarrassing (particularly while in hostile territory!). But you know what? I still enjoyed the hell out of it. The surrounding fans were never mean-spirited or contentious. We were all just happy to be back at the ballpark. While I very much want the Twins to get back to playing better baseball next year, the more immediate concern is whether (and when) they'll be playing baseball at all. Which brings us back to this whole lockout business. Things remain stagnant on the CBA front, as expected. Negotiations are understandably set aside during the Christmas and New Year's stretch. But once we've rung in 2022, the vibe will quickly change. Suddenly, the scheduled start of spring training is only six weeks away, with dozens of free agents unsigned, and Minnesota among many teams whose needs are largely unaddressed. Going forward, dear journal, I suspect these missives will grow more urgent and less forgiving. But for the time being, I'll happily put my energy toward celebrating the end of a weird year, and embracing my deep gratitude for everything it brought back.
  30. I would consider myself a card-carrying member of the Rocco Hater's Club, but I don't see how he would be responsible for failing to roster a collection of competitive starting pitchers. Falvey and Levine? Sure. My gut feel is that we'll see some additions when/if the lockout ends, but they won't be any guys that you can pencil in for 150+ innings or really get excited about. They'll likely be 20ish start guys like Pineda, Wily Peralta or Brett Anderson that will give you a chance to win most of their starts and shave some innings off what is needed from the young guys, but they will have IL stints and won't usually go deep in games. I could easily see a reliever leading the Twins in Wins in 2022. Hell, Thielbar almost did it last year.
  31. Who wants to be the Rays?

    Dman and one other reacted to wabene for a post in a topic

    2 points
    Count me in as well. I never agreed with comments suggesting they caved to fan pressure if they even paid attention. And good thing. This was a very difficult contract to hash out, so it took time. The number one factor in why the Twins were able to sign Buxton, and really the only reason, is that he sincerely wanted to be here so was ready to meet in the middle. Edit: Now after reading chpettit's comment I want to clarify. I agree that the Twins pay attention to the fanbase's mood and desires. When it comes to big decisions and strategy, however, I don't see them reacting to fan pressure. To be in their position you must have a strong and well thought out plan. You can't then waver all the time. I'll bet they were surprised when Buxton revealed how important it was to stay. He didn't do that right away as a basic negotiating tactic. Then Buxton showed he was willing to accept an offer the front office could stomach. Falvey and Levine probably had a reaction of surprise and relief as did many of us.
  32. Been following this kid ever since I saw an earlier video of him. Great stuff and lots of movement. I think he's going to climb his way up to AAA in short order and make the Bigs in 2023. Love the bit about the "Woody" nickname.
  33. I think two things to consider with this topic are: 1. What would comprise a "successful" debut for any of these pitchers who have not yet pitched at the major league level, and 2. Though the majority of these prospects will undoubtedly NOT pan out, the fact that there are so many encourages me to think at least 1 or 2 should develop into reliable MLB starters Of the list of "high end" potential starters I break them into three groups: Near Major League ready: Duran - Winder - Strotman - Balazovic- Sands- Vallimont Likely still a year+ out: Canterino - Varland - Woods Richardson - Enlow Others with real potential but likely at least 2+ years out: Petty, Rijo, Lawyerson, Mooney, Gross While its possible that a pitcher from group two could break through and debut this season, it would be very unlikely that any would make more than a handful (max) of late season starts, Woods Richardson is most likely closest, but at his young age, I'd expect he'd have to be absolutely lights out through mid-June to be any more than a late season callup. The might be true of Vallimont. The other 5 in group one all could reasonably have the chance to debut by mid-season, and unless the roster changes dramatically between now and the beginning of the season, Duran and Strotman would each have a chance to break camp with the big team. That being said, if any of the group can reasonably be expected to be penciled in as rotation guys in 2023 (ie have similar success as Ober/Ryan had in 2021) I'd say this was a successful debut. Though I would, of course, love to see 2 or 3 establish themselves as major league pitchers, I'd be stunned if that happened in 2022.
  34. 2 points
    Hindsight is always 20/20. Badoo was a 22 year old who had missed 2020 due to no minor league baseball that season and had slashed .214/.290/.383 in 29 games in A+ in 2019. Nobody foresaw him being picked in the Rule 5 draft, much less having the season he did. If the roles had been reversed and it was the Twins who had picked him, TD posters would have been going insane saying how bad of a signing this was because he would have had to stay on the MLB roster all season. Wade had showed very little in his time with the Twins, slashing .211/.336/.347, Cave slashed .248./.328/.431 over the same period (.254/.321/.451 if you include 2018). Cave had a better track record in MLB and the Twins were hoping he would bounce back from a disappointing 2020. He got hurt early in did not. If I recall, there was some dissent here on TD about trading Wade last off-season, but nothing too bad. Until he started hitting in SF. If both continue to produce at the level they did in 2021 then yes, they can be added to the list of "The one that got away", but if they regress (see Goodrum, Niko) we will not be talking about them at all in a couple of years.
  35. The Lockout Diaries: Week 4

    Nick Nelson and one other reacted to MN_ExPat for a post in a topic

    2 points
    I agree Nick. While this last year's team underperformed and underwhelmed, it was still baseball, and I will always take even bad baseball over none at all.
  36. I blame them. They chose Cave over Wade. Turned out to be a mistake - and we compound mistake by signing Cave again. Lamont was an on base machine in his brief call up. They had to pick Cave because we traded Gil for him. Good for Wade. I am happy for him. I am sad for us.
  37. 2 points
    Click edit after hitting the 3 dots in the upper right corner of your comment. 99% of the comments? Well we got 17 comments and we all know the one comment you didn't like, so that would be 94.22%, just saying. Why do I mention this? No idea I must be very bored.
  38. 2021 Vikings Season Thread

    gunnarthor and one other reacted to Vanimal46 for a post in a topic

    2 points
    Yeah, it’s not like Zimmer’s tenure was an utter failure. As time passes on, he’ll still be remembered as a top coach in Vikings history. The team has unfortunately become stale, and it’s time for a different voice. I think the organization will be better off with a clean break of both Zimmer and Spielman to be honest. Maybe Spielman can adapt to a new coach, but why not get a fresh pair of eyes on the roster? Out of the 3 pillars on this team, Spielman, Zimmer, and Kirk I would tolerate Spielman staying in his role. And that’s not because I think we will find a better QB than Kirk in 2022. He’s just not an ideal QB to have on a rebuilding roster.
  39. 2 points
    In 2018, the Twins traded Ryan Pressly for Celestino and Alcala.
  40. 2 points
    Another informative article Andrew! I agree with a few of the responses and even your analysis that the players like Rohrtvedt and Celestino were rushed and the harsh reality of your ratings is they didn’t perform well and deserve the grade you gave them,, but that’s how life goes…doesn’t mean they won’t be much better in ‘22. It’s amazing to see the deep insight about how all these performed against league comparisons. Keep up the great posts! The debates about debuts vs rookie status feel oddly unnecessary…
  41. 2 points
    Nice write up of the 2021 debuts.
  42. Grading the Twins 2021 Rookie Debuts

    Minny505 and one other reacted to jmlease1 for a post in a topic

    2 points
    The grades on these guys are reasonable, but there's a lot of good in there even for someone of the guys with lower grades. (some...maybe not. There's a reason Charlie Barnes got cut from the 40-man.) The only thing stopping Kirilloff is health. I just hope the wrist thing isn't chronic, because he can flat-out hit, but with the bum wrist the power vanishes. But he's why I'm not terribly interested in renting a LF, because I think Kirilloff can play there just fine while mashing balls around the park. Ober & Ryan did great in their debuts, they just need more innings. The floor is 5th starter on both of them, and we won't know what their MLB ceiling is until they play more. My feeling is they're likely to be considered mid-rotation guys who could have all-star seasons if/when they have a year where everything comes together. lot to like there. Larnach had a tough year. Showed he could mash fastballs early, went to hell after they stopped throwing them to him and then got so messed up trying to deal with offspeed that he couldn't even hit fastballs once they started throwing them to him again. he was rushed a bit earlier than anyone would have liked, but I believe in his talent. Hopefully he can start the year at AAA, get a good reset, and refine his approach. Celestino is someone who looked like he had a brutal year...until you look beyond his MLB stats. He was dreadful at the plate in MLB, but he shouldn't have been up this early either. He did great when he got sent back to AAA, which is where he should have spent most of the year anyway. I like him to battle for the 4th OF job, since he should be able to play all 3 positions and the RH bat makes him a balance for the lefties in Kepler/Kirilloff in the corners and Larnach as a next man up. Moran is another guy I'm excited about. he had some rough numbers, but that changeup is legit. he's going to have to work on command so guy walk up looking to swing rather than walk, but if he gets it down enough then he's going to make some people look really silly chasing that change. Twins have had some great results with lefties throwing the change-up and Moran could be another one. I'm pumped about him.
  43. Who wants to be the Rays?

    Twins33 and one other reacted to wsnydes for a post in a topic

    2 points
    Since and including 2008, the Rays have four losing seasons and two of those are 80-82 seasons. That run also includes three 95+ win seasons, a 100 win season, seven playoff years and two World Series appearances. They also won two-thirds of their games in 2020. All of that while playing in the AL East. That's one hell of a fluke.
  44. Who wants to be the Rays?

    cHawk and one other reacted to Vanimal46 for a post in a topic

    2 points
    There’s a reason why the Rays and A’s are consistently in the bottom 5 of attendance each year. And it’s not all directly related to their stadiums being a dump or bad locations. Why be a fan of teams that trade star players as soon as they become expensive? Sports is about entertainment, and attaching your fandom/excitement to players on your team. The Rays in their existence have only had Evan Longoria to attach their fandom to for a long period of time. Now they have Wander Franco, but I wouldn’t rule out them trading him too before his contract is up. Who was the last Oakland A’s player who wore their uniform more than 5-6 years? Would I love the Twins to replicate the Rays’ player development model? Absolutely. There are 29 other teams trying to replicate what they’re doing and only they have the voodoo magic to pull it off.
  45. Who wants to be the Rays?

    heresthething and one other reacted to chpettit19 for a post in a topic

    2 points
    As someone who follows the majors and minors as a whole I'm all for the Twins being more "Rays-esque." But there's also some bad PR stuff in moving on from your best players so frequently. For fans who don't follow the league as a whole it is understandably frustrating to have so much roster turnover and I'm sure hurts their bottom line to some extent. But if we're just talking running a baseball team that's trying to win, then, yes, I want the Twins to follow the Ray's blueprint, but spend more money. Very broadly speaking the Rays have gotten very good at not losing good players for nothing. They extend who they can early and for cheap while trading others with more than a year or 2 of service to maximize their return when they know they can't (won't?) extend that player and they have a replacement or 2 ready. They've gotten very good at developing players and that's the lifeline of every organization. They'll trade prospects when needed, but since they've built such a deep minor league system, and trade for so many prospects, they are able to keep their pipeline moving. The Dodgers took Andrew Friedman from the Rays and he's built (on paper) a monster of an organization. The Dodgers are built on homegrown guys that they continue to replenish while also being able to spend the most in the game. (On another note...this is what will kill the game, the rich guys have started stealing the smart guys and the money difference is really going to matter moving forward) The Twins are building a really solid minor league system. They capitalized on a down year by moving Berrios for maximum return and got a ton for half a season of Cruz. Continue making those types of moves while also extending guys (my complaint is they were set on trading Buxton as well until fans made it real clear they'd revolt if they did) and bringing in FAs like Tampa can't (won't?) and you're in a great spot. That's why I'm against the idea of trading prospects at this time for 1 or 2 year pitchers that won't reasonably put the Twins over the top in 2022 (or 2023). The Twins have finally started to put together a pipeline of prospects and they should be keeping them to have replacements on hand and bringing in some FAs to fill in. I think this is the general plan the Twins current FO are trying to implement. The question is have they built the systems to develop guys the way they need. I think they screw up drafting so many corner, bat first guys who have only 1 way to impact a game. Tampa is loaded with up the middle talent that they then move to corners if needed. I'll always prefer a flier on a Cavaco type prospect than a Sabato type guy. There's some things the Twins do that I don't understand, but I think they're putting together an organization than can provide sustained success. Now we just need to see the results.
  46. Who wants to be the Rays?

    flpmagikat and one other reacted to Brock Beauchamp for a post in a topic

    2 points
    What's truly extraordinary is how the Rays have convinced the general public they don't have a lot more money to spend. I did the math awhile back and the Rays receive roughly their payroll in money directly from MLB (national TV rights, MLB.tv digital split, etc) BEFORE they receive any "competitive balance" money. Guess whose local TV broadcast contract is significantly more lucrative than the Twins? I'll give you one hint: their team name rhymes with DAYS. The Tampa Bay Rays are bad for baseball and are a scam. I began actively cheering against them once I did some basic math on their payroll expenditures versus their revenue. Fans need to realize this and stop tolerating their bull****, to be frank about it. What they do with their revolving door of laundry makes for a bad fan experience and no fanbase should tolerate it.
  47. 2 points
    Maybe a bit harsh, but...also the way modern bullpens are constructed. You try to have 3-4 guys that form your core, that you think will be reliable for at least one more season, a couple of waiver pickups, and then a couple of young guys from your minor league system that look like they might be ready to contribute and develop into the next core guys. Rogers is a quality pitcher that even in a down year is very good, especially against lefties. Duffey was still very effective last season, just not dominant like the previous two years, and looks like a guy you can count on as a righty option. Thielbar has always been effective when he's been healthy and available, and he's been good as well the last two seasons. Alcala is a guy on the rise who is death against righties and maybe starting to figure out how to survive against lefties. A reasonable core to work with. Then you have guys from the system like Moran & Stashak and a few waiver guys like Garza & Cotton (both of whom have had success in MLB getting guys out in the bullpen) and you work from there. Working it this way, you can churn through guys that are ineffective until you find a combo that works, without getting stuck on a sunk cost fallacy. Teams overpay for supposed "shut-down" pitchers and "proven closers" who are really just decent relievers coming off a good year or getting put in a particular role. ChiSox are now paying Liam Hendriks $27M for the next two seasons when he's only been a dominant reliever since turning 30. If he stays dominant for these next two years, then great...but if he goes back to being the guy that he was his first 4 years as a full-time reliever, then he's drastically overpaid...and there aren't that many relievers who dominate for 5 years in a row in their 30's. The Twins approach to putting together a bullpen is a pretty good one, overall. And it should keep us from ever doing anything like trading Wilson Ramos for Matt Capps ever again.
  48. To "Shine?" The BEST case scenario, one or two. And to "Shine" I'm saying Ryan/Ober like production over 110-120 innings, not anything close to Bert Blyleven's rookie year in 1970 (10-9 3.18 ERA). The odds are much greater many of them struggle. It will be front office malpractice if a solid SP arm or two isn't added via trade before the season to provide some stability. All of us are also "assuming" that Ryan and Ober will just automatically step in and improve or at least maintain last season's productivity. I'm just as guilty as everyone else in that and it's a BIG assumption. There are always surprises every season. Good and Bad. The current collection of starting pitcher candidates is pointing to a 100 loss season. If that happens, the Pohlad's should fire Rocco. Why should he be given any more rope than Molitor was ? And of course, Falvey and Levine should be checking out their resumes as well. If 2022 is the disaster I think it's lining up to be a housecleaning is in order. I wonder if the Pohlad's have already given the FO "assurances" that another disaster is acceptable. Other than the annoying lockout messing things up, I can't see how this level of inactivity is a "good" plan.
  49. I think there will definitely be some pitchers in 2022. Past that, I cannot predict anything. After 2020 and 2021, I'm not comfortable predicting anything about this pitching pipeline but Falvine's jobs should ride on the success or failure of said pipeline.
  50. 3-4 seems like the obvious choice to me. It's also what the team will need to have in order to have any sort of relevance. If they can get more, that's not only gravy but could also keep them around .500 and/or in playoff conversations. That said, I don't know how much of that will be sustained. There will almost certainly be stretches of sheer brilliance, followed by sustained mediocrity as these guys try to get through their first big league season or debuts. I expect to see lots of fresh faces coming up from the minors. Some bigger names, some not so much so. Some will catch on and hang around, some will crash and burn and get sent back to St. Paul in short order. As @Sconnie has stated here and several other threads, there is going to be an innings gap and someone has to pitch those. It could get pretty ugly at times. It could be marvelous at times too though.
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