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  1. Twins aren't done with their offseason so this is pretty premature. I think bot the Twins and White Sox will add more pieces. Maybe even KC and Detroit.
    3 points
  2. Other than an injury prone bizarre COVID season, Garver has done nothing but work his ass off and improve. He was rated below Turner, and has had massive sceptics even as he rose, until they could only embrace him in 2019, as he was not to be denied. That let them easily willing to sellout on him in 2020. I bet he is back with a vengence in 2021.
    3 points
  3. He came to the USA last winter on a tourist visa. Was it to go ice-fishing in the great Minnesota northlands? No, it was to be part of Twins Fest. Did he get any compensation, such as room and board? If so, he violated immigration laws, and was subject to a 5 year ban. When he got to Atlanta on the way to spring training and was questioned, was he likely to lie about why he had come to Minnesota in January? When you read the comments on traderumours, it is mostly surmising about criminal conduct being the reason for the release. I don't know anything about Fernando Romero as a person, but I am much more inclined to blame ICE and the Twins than Fernando. Obviously, this opinion could be completely wrong, but I do know a fine young person who was even white that was banned for 5 five years for a similar offense.
    3 points
  4. I’m more of a Didi or Simmons. Maybe you use Arraez as the super utility.
    2 points
  5. David you have too much time, too little to do. Come up north, I have a couple extra chain saws. We can thin the forest, get some fresh air, and let the winter settle in before going crazy with Twins wins predictions.
    2 points
  6. When traveling to the US, it's important to bring your own stash due to the widespread shortages faced here.
    2 points
  7. It is hard to say what Garver did last year is what to expect, just as it is hard to say what he did 2019 is what to expect. If he can start hitting the fastball again he should be fine. The article says he faced same amount of fastballs, but I am wondering if he saw them at same counts. What I mean is did he see same first pitch fastballs? It says he took first pitch much more often, but was that because he was taking fastballs or they were off-speed pitches? Garver was well known to be a guy that would attack fastballs early and take any borderline pitches and off-speed. If first pitch off-speed was up with taking strikes on them for get me over pitches, expecting him to take, then later in count fastballs that could lead to more misses too. Think about it, he takes 0-0 off-speed for a strike, now behind 0-1. He now needs to be concerned of that pitch again and may not be sitting on fastball. Then as he had the off-speed in mind fastballs get faster and he is more likely to miss. Teams may have started to pitch "backwards" against him. Could be he just was off due to strange season and injuries. Let's hope for a bounce back season.
    2 points
  8. I'm glad we had a mini-season last year, but I'm evaluating very few players on what happened during.
    2 points
  9. I think it's fair to be concerned that Garver's 2019 had something to do with the juiced ball they were using. He was so much better at age 28 than in any other MLB season that it's fair to consider that it may have been a fluke year. It's great that there are some advanced stats to show that the great hitter might still be in there, and I'm reluctant to put too much stock in anything from the short COVID season, especially when a lot of hitters struggled...but the concern is real. Now, even if he hits more like 2018 if he defends like 2019-2020 he's still a very solid catcher and contributor for the team. I think he'll bounce back...I just don't know how high the rebound will be.
    2 points
  10. This is the British style. It’s, um, a stylistic choice. Yeah, that’s it...
    2 points
  11. Twins released Romero and is rumored that he will sign with the Yokohama BayStars in Japan. Twins to get approx. $300k.
    2 points
  12. Combined response to Matt, Doctor Gast, and MLR, from someone who hasn't mastered the MultiQuote button. Again, I get why it makes "sense" to assume that budget will go down based on revenue projection and that that's the general assumption for most teams. It may well happen for the Twins as well. Or it may not. In my work, I often remind people that a budget is first and foremost a planning document. It's not hard and fast. Good budgets aren't locked, and when circumstances call for it, you loosen the budget as easily as you tighten it. One thing I've been impressed with in this regime is their willingness to be opportunistic, including zigging when others zag. They focus on value and make gobs of moves, but on their timetable. Last winter, for example, while they were most certainly working within broad parameters, they seemed more focused on finding perceived "value" than on staying within a fixed number. We may not have liked exactly how they made each decision, but they made a good-faith attempt to address every need they had with a good value. That included a trade on Maeda and waiting until the price seemed right to sign Donaldson. One of those worked out better than the other, at least for last year. That included giving the QO to Odo and signing Hill. One of those worked out better than the other. And there was Clippard, Wisler, Chacin, again a mixture of results, but all good risks by their definitions. Those are also examples of their tendency to make multiple moves to nudge the needle rather than focusing on the splashy move. All that to say that to me, none of these options really fulfill all their needs. For example, one of the things they did well last year was entered spring training with 10 viable starting options, seven vets and three rookies, as I recall. This isn't a critique limited to you, Matt, but I'm not sure that I've seen any projections on TD that went beyond six or so deep as starting pitcher options. So while they may well shoot for a decreased budget, I think there's at least more than the proverbial non-zero chance that they will match or even exceed last year's total when they consider what the needs are and what's committed. They may well wait Cruz out, for example, but if they get to a point where they've committed $122M, Cruz falls to their target, and they still don't feel like they are where need to be, I think they'll plop down the remaining amount needed, even if it pushes them over the "budget." As an overspend, I think letting Rosario go was as much about the timing as it was the dollar. They didn't want to commit to an overspend that early in the offseason. If it was a February decision and they knew where they were elsewhere, they might have run with him. Pohlad seems to spend money when it's called for. He looks for value, but keeps the focus on the overall goal (including doing "corporate culture" things like paying minor leagues for a full season and giving to BLM). He most certainly is working from a revenue projection, but he's also smart enough to see the opportunity of a ton of revenue coming their way in 2022 if they strategically zig and go over budget far enough to have a legit shot at taking it all. And similarly, while they most certainly are looking at current revenue projections, they also most certainly are NOT looking at just one-year budgeting cycles. If they ended up close to a projected $140M after committing to Donaldson in 2020, they very well may have been targeting $150M in their two-years-out budget for 2021. They knew it was a four-year commitment to Donaldson, not a one-year commitment. The 2020 season is now a sunk cost, and a Pohlad doesn't approach his 2021 feeling the need to make back his losses on 2020. So even if you take a 10 percent cut from a planned 2021 budget of $150M, for example, you're still talking $135M, not $125M. So that's why I vote for "none of the above," but I'm not smart enough and haven't been following closely enough to have an alternate proposal at that level. I just don't think that they will try to shoehorn 12 spots (more really, when depth is considered) into just $40M when there's a division and more to be won. (Edit to add: Maybe another way to say it is, Pohlad seems like the kind of guy who would say, "Look, COVID has really messed things up. We don't know how things are going to play themselves. Revenue might be way down, but it might not be down as much as we think. Let's not overact. Go conservative on that $150M plan we had for 2021, and if we come up short on the revenue side, we'll deal with that later.")
    2 points
  13. The more I look at the IF situation, the more I believe getting one of the 3 SS on the market is a crucial move. Polanco, Arraez, and Donaldson, all have concerning injury histories. Signing a SS and moving Polanco to UI gives everyone in that group a chance to start at least 120 games each. That's if everyone stays healthy, which would be amazing, but unlikely. In that scenario, if Polanco stays healthy (which is already in question to start the season), he could easily end up getting 150 starts or so on the season. If we don't sign a SS, we likely end up giving 100 or so starts to a mix of players like Adrianza, Blankenhorn, Gordon, etc. That sounds horrible.
    2 points
  14. This offseason was always going to be incredibly weird. Coming off a pandemic shortened season, with no fans, and an unprecedented amount of uncertainty still ahead, how teams would tackle preparations for 2021 is a mystery. The Twins are good though, and despite a few holes they want to get better. What if they go all in? This morning at ESPN Jeff Passan penned a piece regarding some rumblings he’s heard around the league. One of them was a note on the Minnesota Twins circling like a shark in the water. Executives had apparently suggested that Minnesota is “lurking” and appears “ready to strike with a big move as they did last season.” That big move alluded to was the signing of Josh Donaldson to a $100 million deal. How could something like that be replicated? On the free agent market there’s only a couple of splashes that would fall into that category in and of themselves. Signing Trevor Bauer, George Springer, or J.T. Realmuto would push dollar signs into that realm. Bauer is arguably the most natural fit of the group, and his next deal could be the most interesting. He’s previously said he’d like to by an assassin for hire and string together lucrative one-year deals. Agent Rachel Luba has commented that they’re open to whatever the best fit is. Bauer makes sense in Minnesota, but I’d imagine there’s other more desirable markets. Looking at the latter two options, the Twins would be in a bit of a weird spot even though both are clear upgrades. Springer plays corner outfield, and despite the departure of Eddie Rosario, the assumption is that top prospect Alex Kirilloff will take over in short order. Mitch Garver had a down and injury plagued year in 2020, but Ryan Jeffers looked the part of a starting quality option. Realmuto would push both to the bench, although he could make the DH spot less of a pressing Nelson Cruz matter. I don’t think anything else on the free agency front would qualify as Donaldson-esque. Maybe signing Didi Gregorious, Marcus Semien, or Andrelton Simmons to be the starting shortstop creates ripples, but none of those guys should break the bank. If it’s not going to happen on the open market, swinging a deal is something Derek Falvey and Thad Levine have done well with. Although the system isn’t as loaded as it once was, the Twins minor league depth right now is in a great place. Royce Lewis probably remains off the table, but he’s less untouchable than I assumed even a year ago. Beyond that, everyone should be under consideration. Jordan Balazovic and Jhoan Duran headline the pitching while Trevor Larnach, Aaron Sabato, and Keoni Cavaco are the offensive gems. Without reading too much into what Passan has reported, there’s certainly a feeling of a silent killer right now. Chicago is looking to load up as the White Sox have their most competitive team in years. The Twins are the clear cream of the crop right now though and remaining there will take legitimate additions. After hearing about payroll decreases and scaled back financial efforts after decreased revenues in 2020, there should have been legitimate fear regarding Minnesota’s opportunity to capitalize. If this is just the beginning of smoke, and we don’t have fire for some time, the hope should be that this is an inkling of the Twins keeping their foot on the gas. The front office and development staff have pushed a largely home-grown roster to the point of opportunity. The window is wide open and continuing to jump through it as long as they can, should be the goal. One Postseason win, or a series victory is where it starts, but this organization has all the makings of a legitimate contender. For more from Off The Baggy, click here. Follow @tlschwerz
    1 point
  15. How about Semien for two years as a FA and trade Arraez and prospect(s) for pitching help?
    1 point
  16. Trading both Arreaz and Lewis for a SS that will leave after a season is a no. Trading Arreaz and one of Rooker, Larnarch, or Cave and a long range prospect like Rijo, or Colina or Jax is a more realistic package to start from.
    1 point
  17. Oh... With a headline like way too early projection, i was hoping for something like realignment in 2050 following homoginization of rules where the Central loses Detroit and Cleveland, but gains St. Loius and Denver, and becomes the plains division, making our division great again. But i got no problem enthusiastically looking forward to next season. Am glad to keep the target on our backs as well as our field.
    1 point
  18. Don't know if I agree putting Twins on top. Sox hitting will be best in MLB and their pitching is at least as good as ours hopes to be. Hope I'm wrong. Thanks for the article
    1 point
  19. I think some people have a false idea of what a super utility player is. It isn`t a player that can play all OF positions below average & that can hit or play any INF position below average & can hit. IMO a super utility player is someone who is very athletic, that can play the most crucial positions SS & CF (if they can play theses 2 position they can play almost anywhere) very well & can hit at least average. To me a super utility player is very valuable, very rare & the Twins been needing for a long time. Like Top Gunn noted LAD constantly develop them
    1 point
  20. NOOOOO Story. His offense is average at best away from Coors field. He is basically Polonco away from Coors field. Why give up prospect, and tons of money for offensively the same guy we already have?
    1 point
  21. Many MLB hitters couldn't find their groove in 2020, including most of the Twins. I too believe that 2021 will be friendlier to Twins hitting. yeah it seems like many Twins fans are hesitant to jump on the band wagon & quick to jump off
    1 point
  22. As I review the actions of both sides over the past year, I find it very difficult to conclude all the fault or even the majority of fault resides with ownership. Let's review what happened. The MLB clubs kept on virtually 100% of their employees knowing they were going to get creamed financially. How many companies did the same? Owners paid all Milb players in full even though they did not play a single game. Even the ones that were going to get cut. The Pohlad’s donated $25M in spite of the inevitable losses. The Players said screw the pandemic, we don’t care revenue is going to be off 50%, we want 100% for every game played or we are not playing. The really did not negotiate at all which is why we ended up with 60 games. The owners made proposals that would have given us at least 80 games. The players insisted on a number of games that was not even feasible. They countered every offer with a number of games that was not feasible resulting in a 60 game season. I believe the last offer was 82 games but the players would have gotten somewhere around 80%. Which side was thinking about the fans? Then, the MLBPA portrayed the owners as acting in bad faith because they were not living up to their agreement to pay prorated salaries. While leaking documents is not the ideal approach to getting the truth out, it turned out the two sides had agreed in no uncertain terms that the preliminary agreement assumed fans were present. There was an agreement to renegotiate if fans were not present. The MLBPA not only negotiated in bad faith, they purposely mislead the public and probably even the players. I guess it’s ok the defraud the public as long as you are doing it to make rich people look bad. This article is just another example of extreme bias. Let's blame ownership because they are not like us. What’s worse is the prejudice that is displayed here quite consistently. By prejudice, I mean hatred and the opinion one side should not be treated fairly because they belong to a given group. It’s probably not quite as heinous as hating or basing bias on color, sexual preference or any other distinction but it’s repugnant just the same.
    1 point
  23. With only 35 on the 40 man....... there is plenty of room for surprises.
    1 point
  24. Isn't the period supposed to go inside the quotation mark?
    1 point
  25. In another thread there was speculation that trading for someone like Trevor Story or signing Semian could be something the Twins are planning. I do believe the FO would like to see better "D" at Short. Story and Semian provide that. That kind of move would entail hashing out what to do with Polanco and Arraez. BOTH are above average bats that can play middle infield. Arraez can also play some 3B and some LF. Polanco can play SS & 2B. Can he play 3B? LF? The Dodgers don't have just ONE guy that can play multiple positions they have SEVERAL. Kiki Hernandez is a FA. Chris Taylor is still a Dodger. My point is, L.A. has all sorts of Swiss Army Knife types. Why can't we ? I've been pining for us to acquire Ketel Marte because in addition to being a really good hitter, he's also able to play 2B, CF & SS. But if the Twins acquired Story they could employ Polanco and Arraez however Rocco wants. There are a LOT of options for the twins FO. Teams that are willing to spend a little, could improve their team a LOT. One final thought: I want the Twins to sign Nellie Cruz. Badly. But if they swung a deal to get Story there is juice in that lineup that could mitigate the loss of Cruz. But if you somehow had Story, Cruz AND Donaldson in that lineup ?? You would never miss Rosario, Sano or Garver who would have to go to make this scenario happen.
    1 point
  26. I think there is plenty of greed to go around. The owners for the most part are business men who made their living by buying at the lowest price possible and selling for the highest price possible. It's just what they do. They aren't going to operate any different just because the business is baseball. Capitalism is sort of all about greed. For the most part, employees are always trying to improve so that they can get the highest salary possible. It's no different whether you are aiming to be the CEO or the best pitcher in baseball, we all dream about reaching that pinnacle. Representing someone to help them get a job is no different whether it's the employment agency trying to get a job for an accountant, a corporate recruiter trying to land their guy that CEO job, or Boras getting Cole $324M. The thing that has changed is the intense jealousy that everybody has towards everybody that has more than they do. It used to be that we celebrated and respected success, and dreamed about how we could make it happen for ourselves. Now we just condem the success and call them evil. Think about it. Having said all that, it's a shame that the escalating amounts of money going to owners, players, agents, advertisers and cable networks has basically made a baseball game unaffordable to the average fan. That is what is destroying the game's popularity.
    1 point
  27. I'm thinking that perhaps his visa issues may now be resolved to the point they had to activate him, and they didn't want to tie up a 40 man spot on a guy that has an uncertain future going forward.
    1 point
  28. The news is this: nobody knows if the Twins are playing at $90 million or $125 million. The itch is to think positive and go with a $125 million payroll; a fun exercise. I'll play. I'm using money on Tyler Clippard and Liam Hendriks to cost me $25 million for relief. Hendriks - Rogers - Duffey - Clippard - Alcala - Stashak - Thielbar - Dobnak. Jake Odorizzi and Dobnak/Duran round out my starting staff which costs $39 million. Berrios - Maeda - Odorizzi or Kluber & Hill - Pineda - Duran. My squad will miss Cruz but add Ketel Marte and resign Adrianza for $61 million to fill out the batting side. Garver/Jeffers-Kirilloff-Arraez-Donaldson-Polanco-Marte-Buxton-Kepler-Sano with a bench of Rooker-Larnach-Adrianza. I would like to find a trade with Colorado as do others. Kluber, Hill, Walker, and others are all interesting picks too. It would also be a fun exercise to see what the Twins do at a $100 million.
    1 point
  29. The more I read about comments like yours, Minny, the more I like the idea of signing a top defensive shortstop and moving Polanco to Gonzalez role from last year. He could play a lot of second, short and third while being the DH when not in the field to keep his bat in the lineup for 150+ games a year...assuming we play a full season, which is looking unlikely. Can't make this decision, however, until they know if Cruz will be back. Probably let it go for another two weeks until after the Holiday's, then give Nelson an ultimatum. Sign something reasonable for both sides, or we are moving on.
    1 point
  30. Maybe I’m too much of a pessimist, but I don’t see how the league will avoid a labor stoppage when the CBA expires. If and when it happens, it will be the fault of greedy ownership groups that have worked tooth and nail since the last CBA to suppress player salaries and protect the “intellectual property” of Major League Baseball. They have fallen behind the times when it comes to promoting their star players and making the game easily accessible for young and casual fans. The blackout rules are absurd, and they make darn sure that people have to pay to stream. The underlying pattern is that owners believe the game—it’s revenues, it’s infrastructures, it’s history, and it’s image—belongs to them, and they have not held back trying to siphon up every last ounce. They are working knowingly or not to make the game completely irrelevant. As we’ve seen this year, everything is fragile and can end. For the “baseball is a business” crowd, here is the link to the Wikipedia page for Ichimonjiya Wasuke, a Japanese confectioner that has operated continuously for over 1,000 years: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichimonjiya_Wasuke. The business has sustained itself largely by prioritizing its long term existence ahead of its short term growth. MLB should take note, but I wouldn’t expect much foresight from venture capitalists and hedge fund managers.
    1 point
  31. Boras often gets dogged because he's a household name for being really good at his job. His job is extrapolating money from higher sources to lower sources, that's the nature of his business. Being in that middle ground, seeing monetary values on both sides, and understanding the product leaves so much to be desired is where his CEO comments come from I think. Couldn't have been more spot on.
    1 point
  32. I think Scott Boras is one of the more astute minds concerning the business of baseball. In fact, I think he would make some team a great general manager, except that not even the Yankees or Dodgers could afford him!
    1 point
  33. I tried to start a blog of my own but people told me I was overqualified. Now I understand.
    1 point
  34. I agree with Boras. It’s not all that different than politics, IMO. They have their club, where these crusty, corrupted individuals sit in their positions for a lifetime. In order to be truly effective they need to venture outside of that. Some semblance of integrity and threat of consequence for malfeasance would also help (as opposed to covering for fraud, steroid use, cheating, etc.). Being able to fully trust that the integrity of the game is upheld, and their team is getting a fair shake, would go a long way with fans.
    1 point
  35. Arguments can be made about who is ruining the game. The Players, the Owners, the Commisioner. I would say they are all to blame. But don't forget the Agents. Greed kills in more ways than one. The players and owners both deserve to get their fair share of revenue but what is really fair? How many players reach Free Agency and sign with the team that gives them the most money? In turn what does that do? In a way, it forces higher prices for those hotdogs, beer and TICKETS. How many Kirby Pucketts are there anymore that have the opportunity to go elsewhere for MORE money but say they love playing for their current team and stay for less? Players are greedy too. Is the $324M that Gerrit Cole signed for a good thing for anyone other than him? The ramifications of contracts like that doesn't help the game and Agents like Boras are to blame just as much as anyone. How many expensive contracts have caused Owners to raise prices? I'm not saying they had to, but to maintain their revenue they raised them to help cover it. It's a domino effect. Why do hotdogs cost $6 and not $4? Why does cost beer $8 and not $5? Why are ticket prices for a lower level seat by 1st or 3rd base $80 and not $30? Why does the baseball package on cable cost extra to add it to your package? Why does the public have to help pay for new stadiums for the owners? Why are casual fans turned off to all professional sports anymore? It's not because the game is slow or the Commisioner can make a decision on goofy rules. It's GREED!
    1 point
  36. Ken Rosenthal had interesting column today in The Athletic on possibilities of Twins trading Arraez. While he said chances are not high this will happen, he indicated there was significant demand for him. Rationale is that Twins could move Polanco to 2B, his natural position, and go after either Story or even Lindor, on a short term deal until Lewis is ready. Or alternatively sign someone like Semien to take over SS. If the Twins could use someone like Arraez to land a top starter like Snell, Darvish or Sonny Gray, this could greatly improve chances for success in playoffs. Arraez is a valuable player to date, but nothing wrong with trading him at a high point, where Rosenthal thinks he is now. This would be a bold move which makes it unlikely the FO would do it, but it sure would be a decisive series of transactions that could jump start our offseason. It makes a lot of sense if the Twins pulled the trigger on this!
    1 point
  37. Twins are a bit top-heavy at 2B right now; all of their best options there are either already in MLB or sitting at AAA. So in the short term there's no real worries here. When you drop down into A ball there really isn't anyone coming along at the position that you get all that excited about...but 2B is also another one of those positions where you see a lot of guys get drafted at SS and then drop down on the defensive spectrum to 2B if they're not showing it at SS, so...who knows? I think you'll see the Twins continuing to draft guys at SS with what they see as a strong hit tool and react from there. I'm ok with that strategy. I feel bad for Nick Gordon. He's a good player, he was coming into the season ready for a shot in MLB, and then COVID wiped out his year. He's just snake-bit. Frankly, we could have used him last year to take some pressure off Arraez when he got dinged up and might have been able to do the same for Polanco. He may have missed his window in MN and his stock is low because of not playing much. I still think he's a good MLB player who will hit for average as either a utility guy or starting 2B.
    1 point
  38. Hybrid plan for me, but I'd rather have Wood than Odo. Bring back Cruz and Clippard and take some shots with rebound guys to fill the pen.
    1 point
  39. No mention of Nick Gordon? Seems like he is really being overlooked. I don’t see why he cant fill adrianzas role this year and back up 2b and short.
    1 point
  40. I think if Arraez does not work at second Polanco would have to shift to second and Lewis comes up.
    1 point
  41. I was pretty excited when the Twins got Vallimont in that trade. His 2019 numbers looked pretty good to me. throws mid 90's has good K rate and WHIP. Granted he was only in High A but the numbers looked solid to me. I was really hoping to see if he improve on those number or at least keep them the same as he moved up but 2020 was lost season for everyone. I liked getting a chance to see what he had to say about his approach to pitching and happy to hear he liked the how the Twins were handling their pitchers. Here's to hoping he is starter material and reaches his potential.
    1 point
  42. Obviously 1B is the least of the Twins concerns ..
    1 point
  43. No, the players aren't doing anything to suppress owner's income, COVID-19 is. Depending on which report you read, it appears the typical team went from earning anywhere from say $20M to $50M, or a lot more for a few teams, to operating losses of as much as $100M in 2020. No matter how rich they are, those magnitude of losses cause problems...just ask the owner of the Mets who has sold his team. The players didn't absorb any losses, rather, their income was reduced by about 63%. Yes, they made less money, but they still made 37% of their anticipated earnings by working about 37% of the time they were expected to work. Really no different to the waiter who had his hours cut by two-thirds but still makes his $25/hour when working one-third of the time. Losing $100M when you expected to make $10's of millions is a lot different than staying home two-thirds of the year, but getting paid your regular rate for that one-third you were at work. And although there may be two vaccines available later today, let's not kid ourselves that this pandemic is over. That's the problem owners and the league are facing as they try to plan for 2021. Can they open spring training on schedule in less than two months? How much of the public will be vaccinated by then? Will COVID and States allow fans in the stands on April 1? So many questions with so many unknowns. Should they push opening day back a month it is likely the vaccination program will be much further down the road. But what type of season can they fit into a schedule knowing that once the calendar turns to November you don't want to be playing ball in many of their markets. Yes, all those issues need to be discussed and agreed to with the MLPA, hopefully, both sides will be reasonable.
    1 point
  44. I am still curious to see what the team saw in Sabato. The minor league backups are really weak right now, but 1B is just too easy for position switches and in addition to Kiriloff and Rooker there is Larnach.
    1 point
  45. Your right “people” (individuals) sell things off. Companies with viable assets borrow against those assets. MLB teams took on substantial debt to pay for their operating losses last year. https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/mlbs-debt-8-3-billion-2020-season-coronavirus What's interesting is that the borrowing that took place is clear evidence of how much team's lost, There are still people insisting they did not have operating losses. Scott Boras claimed very recently that MLB made less profit but they did not have losses. It does not take exceptionally advanced financial skills to know this is NOT true. Therefore, Boras either is not all that financially sophisticated or he does not mind making statements he knows to be false to advance his cause. I am betting on the latter.
    1 point
  46. I take it you have never been in business..... just giving the employees their requests with something coming back is not great business and over time will be a problem for the owner of the establishment. I like others love baseball "the game".... but we have to be real and understand that just going out and risking recourses without responsibility is just not smart. Don't be emotional about this ... is just part of the deal. We should be happy as our current ownership and front office have shown to be fiscally responsible while still putting a very competitive team on the field....
    1 point
  47. The long term math works out in favor of the owners only when they sell. In the pandemic the math still sucks. According to Forbes the Twins had gate receipts of 79 million. That is close to what the 30 percent of revenue. Further down you see revenue per fan is $48. At 2.3 million fans for attendance that comes out to 110 million in revenue Forbes lists operating income. A full season without fans in 2019, using Forbes numbers, would result in a 67 million loss. I don't think that many people could withstand losing real cash
    1 point
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