Nick Franklin available for ss?

[jorgenswest]

Wow. That is a sad commentary on the board.

 

Arcia played center and left through most of his minor league career. It takes time to adjust to the way balls spin in right field. Even Kirby struggled with this in his first year over there. He's played about a half season there in the majors. Giving up on his defense at this point is silly.

 

Arcia career in minors

 

RF 239 games

CF 77 games

LF 33 games

 

Nick Franklin would be an asset to any team. I am not sure he is a good fit at SS. If he has a future as a 2B and corner OF, the Twins may have a similar player in Rosario. Would you trade Rosario for him? Probably wouldn't be enough. Franklin is further along on the growth curve and might be able to play SS. Rosario and Burton?

[cmathewson]

Arcia career in minors

 

RF 239 games

CF 77 games

LF 33 games

 

Nick Franklin would be an asset to any team. I am not sure he is a good fit at SS. If he has a future as a 2B and corner OF, the Twins may have a similar player in Rosario. Would you trade Rosario for him? Probably wouldn't be enough. Franklin is further along on the growth curve and might be able to play SS. Rosario and Burton?

 

Still not a good fit. If he played shortstop, sure. He doesn't come close to being a goo shortstop (let alone a good second baseman, for that matter). (For those who wondered where I got the idea of him playing shortstop, it's in the title of this post.)

 

But we have Dozier, Rosario and Polanco at second. I would trade one of them for a true shortstop. Swapping one player for another of equal value at the same position makes little sense.

[TheLeviathan]

Arcia career in minors

 

RF 239 games

CF 77 games

LF 33 games

 

facts, schmacts.

 

Also, at this point you could argue the Twins have done more to give up on Gibson for next year than anything anyone has said on the board. Part of why I don't like Pelfrey is that his signing almost certainly squeezes Gibson out of a regular spot. He's a guy we need to find out about in 2014 not bounce him around.

[cmathewson]

facts, schmacts.

 

Also, at this point you could argue the Twins have done more to give up on Gibson for next year than anything anyone has said on the board. Part of why I don't like Pelfrey is that his signing almost certainly squeezes Gibson out of a regular spot. He's a guy we need to find out about in 2014 not bounce him around.

 

My bad on Arcia's minor league record. I read the chart wrong.

 

If Gibson dominates in AAA, they can trade or release Correia. Also, injuries happen. Gibson has options and stuff to work on. At times last year, he would just lose control of the fastball for an inning. That's not uncommon in the first full year back from TJ. If he predictably shows he can be more consistent, they'll make room for him.

 

It's the guys without options and upside that get squeezed by the Pelfrey signing. To some, that's Diamond and Worley. I think both will regress to the mean this year. Because they were so bad last year, that means improvement this year. But neither is likely to make the team out of spring training. So that regression will likely happen elsewhere. Oh well. That was inevitable with Gibson, Meyer and May knocking on the door anyway.

[TheLeviathan]

I would feel way better if Correia was gone but right now, just due to options, Gibson gets squeezed. I like Gibson, so I don't like that. I want to see 25+ big league starts this year.

[jokin]

He traded Ben Revere after a 3.0 WAR season with us, the jury is still out on whether or not that was at "peak" value but the Phillies got 0.9 WAR from him last year.

 

He traded Dernard Span after 3.6 WAR season, the second highest in his career.

 

In both those cases he got the other team's top pitching prospect in return.

 

Correction, Trevor May was not the Phillies top pitching prospect when the Twins got him, it was Jesse Biddle, or 2 others. Joanthan Mayo's last prospect rating for May as a Phillie was as only their 4th best pitching prospect http://zozone.mlblogs.com/2011/04/03/mlb-coms-top-10-phillies-prospects/

 

It's funny, have a pretty bad year after your promotion to AA and the Phillies analysts, along with the national guys, immediately moved May from the #1 prospect going into the 2012 season, to "enigmatic", has-been, and ultimately, "cast-off" when finally dispatched to the Twins. Many of those same analysts once hot on him as being a can't-miss part of the opening day 2015 Starting Rotation, now pegged him as a future likely reliever. So obviously, while the jury is still out on May, clearly the shine and glow was already faded from May's armature once Amaro made him available to Terry Ryan.

[cmathewson]

Ok let me re-state it , who was the last guy Terry traded at the high end and recieved quality and fair value in return?, Not Ben , he got a twice hurt damaged starter and a failed AA starter ,Who went on to struggle a 2nd year in AA, Not Span while he got a lights out starter , he was only in single A, and should have recieved an addition prospect , maybe not an A prospect but at least an -B prospect. I guess a case could be made for trading Drew Butera at his high mark , and he did get fair value for him,actually probally Terry got more then fair value

 

Well, if you don't think those are fair value for players at the top of their value, it will be hard to find a case that will satisfy you. You might have to go all the way back to Knobauch. No, wait, Pierzinski. Oh wait, Milton, Guardado and Hawkins. This could take a while....

[Mike Sixel]

I think you're too late. The board seems to have given up on Hicks, Gibson, Eades, and Arcia as an outfielder.

 

The board? Really?

[TwinsTerritory]

Ok let me re-state it , who was the last guy Terry traded at the high end and recieved quality and fair value in return?, Not Ben , he got a twice hurt damaged starter and a failed AA starter ,Who went on to struggle a 2nd year in AA, Not Span while he got a lights out starter , he was only in single A, and should have recieved an addition prospect , maybe not an A prospect but at least an -B prospect. I guess a case could be made for trading Drew Butera at his high mark , and he did get fair value for him,actually probally Terry got more then fair value

 

I think the verdict on the Revere trade is still out. Revere has time to prove to be a solid, if unspectacular, major league centerfielder. May and, to a lesser extent, Worley still have a chance to be solid major league pitchers. On the other hand, I think Terry Ryan would do the Span trade over again 10 times out of 10. Span is at best an average major league outfielder while Meyer has a chance to be a #2 starter. A top of the rotation starter is way more valuable than an average outfielder.

[Willihammer]

I think you're too late. The board seems to have given up on Hicks, Gibson, Eades, and Arcia as an outfielder.

 

I haven't given up on Hicks, but he does make me scratch my head. Look at his last year.

 

1. Starting CF (Span) traded to Nats

2. Backup CF (Revere) traded to Phils

3. Great Spring Training, starting job on the Twins

4. Strikeouts, dejection, struggle

5. Demotion to minors.

6. New CF (Pressley) acquired midseason

7. No Sept callup, Pressley treading water

8. Buxton ranked No. 1 top prospect in baseball

9. "Hey Aaron we still really like you. Want to play some Winter Ball and maybe hit the ground running next spring?

 

"Nah I'm good."