Article: Twins Looking for Another Pavano in Arroyo?

[kab21]

Arroyo at 3/36 is just silly. I would much rather have Pelfrey at 2/12 (latest offer).

[mcrow]

I think the fact they are still looking for experienced starters tells you that they are not confident at all with what they have in them minors. If you sign Arroyo and already have Correia(if he pitches well this year they're going to want to resign), Hughes for 3 years, and Nolasco for 4 you'd have 4 starting spots locked down for at least 2 years. So these moves would indicate they don't expect much help from the minors over the next couple of season at least.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Arroyo at 3/36 is just silly. I would much rather have Pelfrey at 2/12 (latest offer).

 

My thoughts exactly. I don't like Pelfrey but if you look at his second half, it's likely he'll provide Arroyo-esque performance at less years and half the yearly salary.

[mcrow]

My thoughts exactly. I don't like Pelfrey but if you look at his second half, it's likely he'll provide Arroyo-esque performance at less years and half the yearly salary.

 

 

Hard call, Arroyo has a much better track record in recent years. Maybe you have a guy in Pelfrey that you can have for 2 years instead of three for Arroyo but Pelfrey is probably 5th starter or maybe 4th at his best. Arroyo can be a 2nd or 3rd starter, assuming he continues to pitch well. So do you take a guy who might be a mid 4's ERA type of guy for 2 years or a guy who might be a mid to upper 3's for 3 years? Chances are that 3rd year wouldn't be a good one but there is no reason to think you can't get another two good seasons out of Arroyo. There is a chance that Pelfrey isn't even good enough that you'd want him in your rotation this year.

[Tibs]

I think the fact they are still looking for experienced starters tells you that they are not confident at all with what they have in them minors. If you sign Arroyo and already have Correia(if he pitches well this year they're going to want to resign), Hughes for 3 years, and Nolasco for 4 you'd have 4 starting spots locked down for at least 2 years. So these moves would indicate they don't expect much help from the minors over the next couple of season at least.

 

I don't completely agree. You can never have too much pitching, as has been said many times on this board. Look at what the Cardinals did last year. They had a couple injuries to the pitching staff and brought guys up from the minors without skipping a beat. A lot of our higher rated pitching prospects were in the lower levels last year. A couple of those guys might be fast movers, but I wouldn't expect those guys to be up for a couple of years like you said. However, we do still have Alex Meyer and a couple of other guys that will be in AA this year or were in AA last year that could make an impact soon. Having too much pitching isn't a real problem. You can always trade guys away or release them if you have to.

 

I think these moves are more a factor of losing so many games the last three seasons along with Joe Mauer beginning to age and two of the top prospects in baseball getting close to the majors.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Hard call, Arroyo has a much better track record in recent years. Maybe you have a guy in Pelfrey that you can have for 2 years instead of three for Arroyo but Pelfrey is probably 5th starter or maybe 4th at his best. Arroyo can be a 2nd or 3rd starter, assuming he continues to pitch well. So do you take a guy who might be a mid 4's ERA type of guy for 2 years or a guy who might be a mid to upper 3's for 3 years? Chances are that 3rd year wouldn't be a good one but there is no reason to think you can't get another two good seasons out of Arroyo. There is a chance that Pelfrey isn't even good enough that you'd want him in your rotation this year.

 

That's true. At two years, I'd take Arroyo every time. I guess it boils down to a value judgment over that third year.

[mcrow]

That's true. At two years, I'd take Arroyo every time. I guess it boils down to a value judgment over that third year.

 

Unless Arroyo is a complete trainwreck and can't even make it in the rotation at all, if the Twins got two more years like his recent years that would be a pretty decent deal, IMO.

[mcrow]

I don't completely agree. You can never have too much pitching, as has been said many times on this board. Look at what the Cardinals did last year. They had a couple injuries to the pitching staff and brought guys up from the minors without skipping a beat. A lot of our higher rated pitching prospects were in the lower levels last year. A couple of those guys might be fast movers, but I wouldn't expect those guys to be up for a couple of years like you said. However, we do still have Alex Meyer and a couple of other guys that will be in AA this year or were in AA last year that could make an impact soon. Having too much pitching isn't a real problem. You can always trade guys away or release them if you have to.

 

I think these moves are more a factor of losing so many games the last three seasons along with Joe Mauer beginning to age and two of the top prospects in baseball getting close to the majors.

 

 

Sure, you can never have too many starters but if TR thought he had a good chance of getting some good starters out of the minors soon he wouldn't be looking to sign a 36 year old to a 3 year deal either. If you think you have a good chance of having 2-3 major league ready starters coming up over the next two seasons you might be looking to sign a vet to a 1-2 year deal.

[Mike Sixel]

Rumor is they offered a two year deal to the slowest pitcher ever.....I don't get it.