Dioner Navarro a Twin?

[Brandon]

Signing Salty allows Pinto to improve defense on a lesser stage(AAA), when he is ready he can catch the majority while Salty hits enough to DH and catch 60 games in 2015 and 2016.

 

Pinto doesn't need 3 seasons at AAA to improve VS Pinto can learn on a .500 club next year while Sano and Buxton are also getting their first experience up in the majors...

[Brandon]

If he's hitting .750 his shatty defense will definitely be offset by his hitting. Put him at short in that case

 

I think he meant .750 OPS

[Brandon]

I don't care who you are and how many internet points I lose, but if you think Doumit is the answer behind the dish for more than about 20 innings, you are not baseball smart.

 

I think he could be an ok 3rd string catcher to start 5-20 games behind the plate with some back up time as well so no more than 200 innings behind the plate. yes his defense is terrible but he was brought here to be the back up/ almost but not quite platoon, since the Twins don't believe in those, catcher. He'll still get time in RF and DH and maybe some 1B as he'll get over 300 possibly 400 plate appearances this year.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I think that pitch framing could impact 8-10% of the AB which would likely affect 8-10% of the runs scored, It may not change the number of runs scored but change the AB in which the runs are plated, set up, runners advance.....

 

Given that ~70% of all ABs end in an out, it'd have to affect way more than 8-10% of the ABs to reflect a 10% increase in runs scored.

[twinscowboysbulls]

I think he could be an ok 3rd string catcher to start 5-20 games behind the plate with some back up time as well so no more than 200 innings behind the plate. yes his defense is terrible but he was brought here to be the back up/ almost but not quite platoon, since the Twins don't believe in those, catcher. He'll still get time in RF and DH and maybe some 1B as he'll get over 300 possibly 400 plate appearances this year.

(TO YOUR FIRST QUOTE)

I agree, Pinto doesn't need 3 seasons at AAA. That is 100% not what I was saying. One year in AAA, however, will not kill him. In 2015, that would give us 2 actual catchers that could both swing it a little bit. This is a good problem to have.

 

(SECOND QUOTE)

I agree, he could be a 3rd string catcher. Those guys aren't required to catch 20 games unless you have an injury at catcher. The goal I would have this year is to mostly DH Doumit. Anytime he is at Catcher, First or OF, I would deem him an extreme liability. With that being said, if his bat is as good as it has been or could be, it would be worth playing him at other positions than DH. If he has a repeat of 2013, there is actually no reason to play the guy at all, let alone catch or OF.

 

Also, for the chatter on Doumit and 1B: When Doumit was brought in, Twins were under assumption he could play 1B. He played a couple games and made some horrendous plays there and suddenly in the media it became known that he was not comfortable at 1B. He then played some in the outfield and was atrocious. Luckily for him, he hit quite well which made it worthwhile to spell Mauer at catcher and DH on a regular basis. Likely his only positions for this season are DH/C. Hopefully he hits more like 2013 so it is worthwhile to have his bat in the lineup. Anyone that is hopeful for him to see action in OF/1B is asking for trouble and I hope the Twins are building a team that doesn't require his services ever at those positions, UNLESS HE IS RAKING and we can't have him out of the lineup.

[kab21]

Given that ~70% of all ABs end in an out, it'd have to affect way more than 8-10% of the ABs to reflect a 10% increase in runs scored.

 

Getting a called strike early in the count dramatically changes the outcome of an AB.

 

But I think both extreme defensive and catching runs saved (or given up by Doumit) are exaggerations of an imperfect data analysis. It's a nice attempt but I only like to use the results to rank players in defensive tiers instead of trying to combine offensive and defensive stats into one.

[Shane Wahl]

For the record, I was talking about the value of Doumit for other teams. It's there and he's cheap. No way do I want him sticking around on the Twins. I have made that clear for months.

 

Also, for the record: Navarro has a career WAR of 4.9 over a ten-year career. A career OPS+ of 82, even with the crazy 2013 season he had. He's always been merely slightly above average defensively (though he has been consistent there). And he's 30 on opening day.

 

Why waste any time with this. Either go big at catcher or stick with what you have. Good grief. The decisions being contemplated really tend to blow my mind.

[kab21]

For the record, I was talking about the value of Doumit for other teams. It's there and he's cheap. No way do I want him sticking around on the Twins. I have made that clear for months.

 

Also, for the record: Navarro has a career WAR of 4.9 over a ten-year career. A career OPS+ of 82, even with the crazy 2013 season he had. He's always been merely slightly above average defensively (though he has been consistent there). And he's 30 on opening day.

 

Why waste any time with this. Either go big at catcher or stick with what you have. Good grief. The decisions being contemplated really tend to blow my mind.

 

Doumit doesn't hit well enough to not be a catcher and he doesn't catch well enough to be a catcher. Pretty much every team knows this.

 

The Twins should absolutely not stick with what they have. If Pinto disappoints as a rookie or gets injured then we are looking at a season of Herrmann/Doumit/Fryer behind he plate. I think CF last year showed us how important a little depth is behind an unproven rookie. Navarro isn't a very good match but it's much better than having Herrmann or Doumit catching a lot of games.

[Marta Shearing]

I just gotta roll my eyes at all the "catching experts" who think Pinto needs to start the year in AAA to work on his defense. For goodness sakes, he can flat out rake. His defensive deficiencies are so overblown. Let him work them out ON THE JOB under Steinbach's guidance.

[Chance]

Mike Berardino reports that the Twins are one of about 5 teams in on Navarro.

[Shane Wahl]

Doumit doesn't hit well enough to not be a catcher and he doesn't catch well enough to be a catcher. Pretty much every team knows this.

 

The Twins should absolutely not stick with what they have. If Pinto disappoints as a rookie or gets injured then we are looking at a season of Herrmann/Doumit/Fryer behind he plate. I think CF last year showed us how important a little depth is behind an unproven rookie. Navarro isn't a very good match but it's much better than having Herrmann or Doumit catching a lot of games.

 

What about Navarro's career numbers indicates that he is a better value than 500K Chris Herrmann, if such a Pinto scenario happens?

[Shane Wahl]

I just gotta roll my eyes at all the "catching experts" who think Pinto needs to start the year in AAA to work on his defense. For goodness sakes, he can flat out rake. His defensive deficiencies are so overblown. Let him work them out ON THE JOB under Steinbach's guidance.

 

Yeah, I endorse this.

[diehardtwinsfan]

I think that pitch framing could impact 8-10% of the AB which would likely affect 8-10% of the runs scored, It may not change the number of runs scored but change the AB in which the runs are plated, set up, runners advance.....

If pitch framing is this important, then MLB needs a way to automate strike and ball calls.

[twinscowboysbulls]

If pitch framing is this important, then MLB needs a way to automate strike and ball calls.

 

If that happens, baseball may as well pack their bags.

[kab21]

What about Navarro's career numbers indicates that he is a better value than 500K Chris Herrmann, if such a Pinto scenario happens?

 

He has actually played at the MLB level. It's not a real good match for the Twins though. He's much better from the right handed side and Pinto is also a righty. But this would put Pinto in the position where he was the primary starter with an experienced backup.

[johnnydakota]

Yeah, Doumit's value is as a DH, pinch hitter (from both sides, adds value) and as that third catcher on the roster that can fill-in as backup catcher for a DL stint from one of the other two catchers (so they don't have to call another player up). There is some value there.

 

Ok so your saying keeping Doumit will improve the team?

Dont we already have Arcia,Parmele,Willingham and Pinto who are going to need time in the DH spot?Do we really need a 3rd catcher this year? If needed, a catcher for 1 game couldnt Joe slide back behind the plate for 1 game or half a game till the plane lands for Rochester?

[stringer bell]

I agree that many have gone overboard on the Doumit's defense behind the dish. He doesn't excel at anything, but he's passable in most areas (arm, blocking pitches, working with the pitchers and maybe calling a good game. I doubt Pinto will DH much, if at all, if he makes the club (I'd put the over-under at 5 games). If the Twins add a catcher, I would hope it would be a veteran who can work with Pinto and the young pitchers on the staff. I know that Navarro was available for nothing once (DFAed or released) and maybe a second time as well. He's had a couple of good years and was horrible the rest. If he were a great receiver, teams would look the other way when he struggled at the plate, but he has moved around, indicating to me that he is not a defensive wizard.

[Shane Wahl]

Ok so your saying keeping Doumit will improve the team?

Dont we already have Arcia,Parmele,Willingham and Pinto who are going to need time in the DH spot?Do we really need a 3rd catcher this year? If needed, a catcher for 1 game couldnt Joe slide back behind the plate for 1 game or half a game till the plane lands for Rochester?

 

NO! I want nothing to do with him. I want him gone and was just saying that he has some value for how cheap he is. In. terms. of. a. trade.

[Shane Wahl]

Signing Navarro would be a desperate "let's sign someone, anybody, anybody at all" move. This is clear.

[TheLeviathan]

Signing Navarro would be a desperate "let's sign someone, anybody, anybody at all" move. This is clear.

 

Maybe, but it would be nice to have at least one capable, known commodity at catcher on the roster. kab's right, CF should've been a lesson on being obviously thin at a premium defensive position.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I think a guy like Navarro is a good idea. Slot him in and let Pinto acclimate to the majors and then reevaluate the position in 2015.

[Shane Wahl]

Is there anything the Twins can do you would actually like? I have seen you say you don't like a lot of things lately.

 

Nolasco and Navarro. Who else have I been negatively-linked to out there?

[mudcat14]

I like the Navarro idea. Especially if he came aboard with the understanding that he is here to help season his fellow Venezuelan, Pinto. A year or two at $2.5 per should get it done.

[johnnydakota]

NO! I want nothing to do with him. I want him gone and was just saying that he has some value for how cheap he is. In. terms. of. a. trade.

 

Whew..Me bad , while Doumit was a decent add for the 1st contract, he just isint a guy who should get 400 at bats in a season,especially in the outfield

[snepp]

I like the Navarro idea. Especially if he came aboard with the understanding that he is here to help season his fellow Venezuelan, Pinto. A year or two at $2.5 per should get it done.

 

 

No "or twos" though. Guys like that shouldn't get a second year, unless it happens to come in the form of a team option (with little to no buyout).

[old nurse]

Nolasco and Navarro. Who else have I been negatively-linked to out there?

Offering 4 poor players for Homer Bailey