Rosenthal: Sources say Gardenhire is back on a two-year deal

[Parker Hageman]

We will know more at 2:30 today but according to FoxSports.com’s Ken Rosenthal, he and Jon Morosi have been told that the Twins will retain manager Ron Gardenhire, saying that the deal they have heard is a two-year contract.

 

The Star Tribune's Lavelle E Neal adds that his sources say that the entire coaching staff will return for the 2014 season.

[Seth Stohs]

Via Twitter, Fox Sports' Ken Rosenthal said that sources have told him that Ron Gardenhire will return on a two-year deal.

 

Of course, this is not official, but Rosenthal has great sources and doesn't post things unless certain.

[gunnarthor]

I think that's a good deal. This'll probably be his last contract with the team. I think Dougie Baseball takes over in 2016 with that young core intact.

[nicksaviking]

Well those of us that think a change is needed can for the time being take solice in the fact that no mention of an Anderson extension has been announced.

 

Anderson is a good man and has been a good soldier but I don't think the front office can overlook the success of Cuellar's bullpen compared to the utter mess of Anderson's rotation over the past three or four years. Someone has to take the fall for the failure of the starters and if Ryan isn't going to take most of the blame and step down, Anderson likely will take the bullet.

[ThePuck]

Via Twitter, Fox Sports' Ken Rosenthal said that sources have told him that Ron Gardenhire will return on a two-year deal.

 

Of course, this is not official, but Rosenthal has great sources and doesn't post things unless certain.

 

So status quo and in a couple years we can keep the Twins way going by promoting from within...SWEET!

[Shane Wahl]

Three 96+ loss seasons in a row weren't enough.

[ScottyB]

I would guess that there will be another shake-up in the coaching staff. I could see Anderson out, Cuellar in as new pitching coach. I can also see Ulger and possibly Vavra out. Who would replace those three is the question.

[gunnarthor]

Man, there is no way this thread doesn't blow up.

[ScottyB]

Bernadino tweets all coaches retained.

[nicksaviking]

Bernadino tweets all coaches retained.

 

Yeah, this is discouraging.

 

Of note from Rosenthal, he states Gardy likely wanted assurances that payroll would be raised. If true, raised from what? What it is now or from the start of the season?

 

Anyone think that if Ryan keeps the band together AND the Twins once again are terrible in 2014 his job will finally be on the line?

[Mike Sixel]

Bernadino tweets all coaches retained.

 

Because they did the little things right? Because the young players got better the more they worked with these coaches? Because it wasn't their fault, the FO didn't give them enough good players to work with (who in the FO will be replaced then?)?

 

Where is there any sense of accountability, three years into being one of the worst teams in sports?

[InfraRen]

Not nearly as upset about Gardy as I am about Rick.

[gunnarthor]

 

Anyone think that if Ryan keeps the band together AND the Twins once again are terrible in 2014 his job will finally be on the line?

 

No. I think the Pohlad's have complete trust in Ryan and probably expect another losing season. If Buxton and Sano and Meyer etc bomb out in the minors next season, maybe. But other than that, no, the Pohlad's are letting Ryan run this.

[S.]

Bernadino tweets all coaches retained.

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[DaveW]

I like it, it wasn't Gardy's fault and the players do like him.

[howieramone1406390264]

Yeah, this is discouraging.

 

Of note from Rosenthal, he states Gardy likely wanted assurances that payroll would be raised. If true, raised from what? What it is now or from the start of the season?

 

Anyone think that if Ryan keeps the band together AND the Twins once again are terrible in 2014 his job will finally be on the line?

Not unless TD buys the Twins.

[Oldgoat_MN]

Not nearly as upset about Gardy as I am about Rick.

 

Exactly. Just.... exactly.

[Death Rattle]

Just do whatever you want. Sign crappy free agent, have 3 90+ loss seasons, slash payroll, crap on your fan base.

 

Just do whatever you want...Twins Baseball.

[Death Rattle]

Funny how the Cubs fire Sveum...WHAT?!?! Accountability from a losing franchise punishing a manager for poor on field results. The Cubs are revolutionizing baseball.

[Twins Daily Admin]

Ultimately, I look at the two most quotes reasons to fire Gardy and dismiss them:

1) It's hard to look at the results of this team this year and lay them at Gardy's feet. We entered the season. We entered the season thinking this was a 65-70 win team, and they were, and that lies on the head of Terry Ryan more than anyone. He didn't do what needed to be done to improve the team by signing free agent pitching and that was the primary source of problems.

 

2) The whole "Gardy didn't win in the playoffs" think confounds me. Is there any evidence whatsoever that managers impact this sort of thing? The only decision that he ever made in the playoffs that I remember vehemently disagreeing with was letting Nathan go back out in the 12th(?) inning in Game 2 of 2004(?). That's it. I"m as upset about those playoff years as anyone, but I don't see why they should be laid at Gardy's feet anymore than they should be laid at the feet of Ryan or the players or the umpires or the MLB schedulers.

 

I know there are some traits that people don't like about Gardy, but it's hard to overlook seven different Manager of the Year votes in a nine-year span. I think we have a good one. It might be a good one that has overstayed his usefullness, but this year's assortment of dreck wasn't going to test that one way or the other. I'll give it at least one more year.

[Mike Sixel]

admin, so no one is accountable?

[BHtwins]

The Pohlads are absolutely delusional.

 

They might win again but just like I said when they were winning all those divisions. They were winning despite of Gardenhire, not because of him.

 

There is absolutely no risk of doing a poor job and no accountability. We talk about player scholarship...its clear we have front office and coaching scholarships.

[Guest USAFChief]

I'm surprised and very disappointed by this news. Very disappointed.

[gunnarthor]

admin, so no one is accountable?

 

Well, since Ryan took over, I believe he made changes in the minor league coaching staffs, fired 4 or so ML coaches. Promoted Steil to minor league development guru.

 

I know you want Ryan out but ownership is behind him 100% (which I think is a good thing). And it's good that Ryan doesn't have to do risky job security type moves (fire the manager to get another year or trade a top prospect to get wins now).

[ThePuck]

admin, so no one is accountable?

 

oh, come on now, we fired the bullpen and 1B coach last year...2011 and 2012, totally on them...oh, and injuries of course...as Ryan pointed out in the Q&A :-)

[Oldgoat_MN]

... Manager... I think we have a good one. It might be a good one that has overstayed his usefulness, but this year's assortment of dreck wasn't going to test that one way or the other....

 

To be fair, I believe most of the posters here see that Gardy has done some things well. The frustration we have all shared leads sometimes to the idea that changing things up couldn't be all bad.

 

You can want a change and not hate, or even dislike, Gardy.

It is one of the options.

[nicksaviking]

Ultimately, I look at the two most quotes reasons to fire Gardy and dismiss them:

1) It's hard to look at the results of this team this year and lay them at Gardy's feet. We entered the season. We entered the season thinking this was a 65-70 win team, and they were, and that lies on the head of Terry Ryan more than anyone. He didn't do what needed to be done to improve the team by signing free agent pitching and that was the primary source of problems.

 

2) The whole "Gardy didn't win in the playoffs" think confounds me. Is there any evidence whatsoever that managers impact this sort of thing? The only decision that he ever made in the playoffs that I remember vehemently disagreeing with was letting Nathan go back out in the 12th(?) inning in Game 2 of 2004(?). That's it. I"m as upset about those playoff years as anyone, but I don't see why they should be laid at Gardy's feet anymore than they should be laid at the feet of Ryan or the players or the umpires or the MLB schedulers.

 

I know there are some traits that people don't like about Gardy, but it's hard to overlook seven different Manager of the Year votes in a nine-year span. I think we have a good one. It might be a good one that has overstayed his usefullness, but this year's assortment of dreck wasn't going to test that one way or the other. I'll give it at least one more year.

 

How can you defend Gardy by listing his Manager of the Year near misses but previously state that managers have no impact on playoff performances?

 

I also really don't think your two listed reasons for wanting Gardy gone are the most prelevant reasons. I think most people on this site acknowledge Gardy isn't the most culpable person when it comes to this team's failures. I think most people agree he had no chance at winning with what he was given. I think those of us who want a change, want a change because a new atmosphere seems manditory to right the ship. It's going to be hard to expect different results when so many of the variables remain the same.

 

I'm actually torn on the Gardy issue. I want change; mostly I want this team to prove to me that they are willing to try new things and ideas from the sport that is not entirely encompassed within the Twins' world. But I also think the stubborn refusal to step outside the comfort zone comes from the front office and I really don't want them to make the manager the scape goat when the problems stem from deeper within the organization.

[nicksaviking]

To be fair, I believe most of the posters here see that Gardy has done some things well. The frustration we have all shared leads sometimes to the idea that changing things up couldn't be all bad.

 

You can want a change and not hate, or even dislike, Gardy.

It is one of the options.

 

Well stated, and much more concisely than I did.

[spideyo]

Who do we hold accountable for blowing away the team strikeout record? Hicks and Arcia could have been ROY candidates if they had actually connected with the ball more often. Plouffe, Willingham, and Parmelee regressed noticably. Collabello was ROY in the international league, but looked lost up here.

 

How much of that is on Bruno? Isn't it his job to help young players adjust and get the whole team prepared to face major league pitching? Even if Ryan spends $200 million on a rotation full of aces, we won't win if we keep staring at strike three

[ThePuck]

Rhett Bollinger just posted an article saying the same thing on the Twins MLB website...