Listening to interview on 1500ESPN now. To paraphrase this is what he just said:

"I've seen your ERA stat, but I think the pitching has been better than the stats have indicated."

 

Phil Mackey asked about Terry Ryan's status as GM. "I'm pretty locked in here."

 

Also asked about TR about Gardy, and TR defended him, talked about how well they get along. Not sure if that means anything. Said they'll announce his status soon after the season.

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The pitching has been exactly what the stats say, that's how statistics work. They accurately reflect the outcomes achieved......

TR (paraphrasing again):

"Pelfrey has said publicly that he wants to be back, and I don't see why we wouldn't bring him back." Definitely sounds like he will be.

Listening to interview on 1500ESPN now. To paraphrase this is what he just said:

"I've seen your ERA stat, but I think the pitching has been better than the stats have indicated."

 

I hope this isn't a paraphrase like the one where Ryan said he wasn't going to sign a free agent ever again.

I don't understand why people wouldn't want pelfrey back? After a horrendous start (after coming back very very quickly from TJS) he actually pitched rather solidly

Also asked about TR about Gardy, and TR defended him, talked about how well they get along. Not sure if that means anything.

 

This will be a test of my ability to read Ryan's signals. I'm not an insider by any means, but I say the evidence suggests that this "wait and see" stuff is just cover, and that Ryan has already committed to bringing Gardy back for at least two years. I expect that this will be announced on Monday or Tuesday. And I'll save more of my commentary for then.

Because he was not good before the injury, and he has been bad this year.

It seems like TR is saying there is no need for change. Bring back Gardy, bring back Pelf, switch Duening to the rotation and we're good to go again.

I'm not sure how you sell that to the ticket buyers.

I don't understand why people wouldn't want pelfrey back? After a horrendous start (after coming back very very quickly from TJS) he actually pitched rather solidly

Because the Twins should be aiming higher than Pelfrey.

It seems like TR is saying there is no need for change. Bring back Gardy, bring back Pelf, switch Duening to the rotation and we're good to go again.

I'm not sure how you sell that to the ticket buyers.

I just read an article where the Twins are 10th in season tickets sold and 17th in total tickets sold. With Sano and Buxton on the way, I can't imagine it's a major concern.

Because the Twins should be aiming higher than Pelfrey.

 

But, Pelfrey is better than Hernandez, De Vries, Gibson, and probably Diamond. He's back end of the rotation, but we need at least 2 really good starters. TR has to go get them somewhere.

2010 MLB Attendance - Major League Baseball - ESPN

 

According to ESPN, Twins attendance over the last 4 yrs:

 

2010 per game 39798

 

2011 39112

 

2012 34275

 

2013 30585

 

Roughly 25% drop in a new stadium over just the first four years, and trending down. I'm going to guess that's a concern.

I don't understand why people wouldn't want pelfrey back? After a horrendous start (after coming back very very quickly from TJS) he actually pitched rather solidly

The guy is mediocre, period. Before TJ, he was mediocre. Now that he's recovered, he's mediocre. Why spend more than 6+ mil on a guy that has NO upside?

2010 MLB Attendance - Major League Baseball - ESPN

 

According to ESPN, Twins attendance over the last 4 yrs:

 

2010 per game 39798

 

2011 39112

 

2012 34275

 

2013 30585

 

Roughly 25% drop in a new stadium over just the first four years, and trending down. I'm going to guess that's a concern.

 

Chief, in 2010 we were contenders and Target Field was shiny and new. Attendance has dropped in MLB. The loveable losers had their worst attendance in 15 years. Our new players will put butts in the seats shortly, way before there can possibly be any sort of short term impact, much less long term.

Each day it just gets worse and worse. And to top it all off, SOMEHOW, there is still talk about bringing back Mike Pelfrey. Good god.

I don't have a problem bringing Pelfrey back as long as he's one of three free agents they bring in and the other two are Ervin Santana and Matt Garza.

Too many posts that need reply individually, so...

1) FO not presenting a plan to ticket buyers but rather to ticket sellers.

2) "...ticket sales a major concern..."--you are right it isn't a concern. The high-margin tickets are those between the bases and they always get sold. The rest are simply "sprinkles" on the whipped cream topping.

3) Resigning Pelfrey?--He pitches "TTW", doesn't "dis" management, and will work within the payroll "slot".

I don't have a problem bringing Pelfrey back as long as he's one of three free agents they bring in and the other two are Ervin Santana and Matt Garza.

 

So....that's a big "No" then?

The pitching has been exactly what the stats say, that's how statistics work. They accurately reflect the outcomes achieved......

 

But they don't reflect on how well the ball was coming off the pitchers' hands or whether or not they can spin it out there, which are two of the most important criteria of success for the people who are ru(i)ning the Twins...

I don't have a problem bringing Pelfrey back as long as he's one of three free agents they bring in and the other two are Ervin Santana and Matt Garza.

 

Garza just isn't going to happen. Not with this manager and pitching coach. Obviously I would take Garza over this manager and pitching coach, but Terry Ryan wouldn't (and yes I would take Garza over all three).

 

I would still have a problem with Pelfrey. The odds of him being even a replacement level pitcher are not too great. Maybe he over performs for a 1.0 WAR or something. Still not worth the money when the Twins can still try to find younger pitchers with upside for the league minimum and get the same performance.

The AM 1500 guys are interpreting Ryan's words as a signal they will go another way--Paul Molitor. He has seen and worked with the elite prospects in the minors and the team is going to be terrible next year, so they think Gardy is gone and Molitor will be the Twins' next manager.

Ok, I am not in Minnesota and haven't been for 10 years. Where does this Molitor talk keep coming from???

Garza just isn't going to happen. Not with this manager and pitching coach. Obviously I would take Garza over this manager and pitching coach, but Terry Ryan wouldn't (and yes I would take Garza over all three).

 

I would still have a problem with Pelfrey. The odds of him being even a replacement level pitcher are not too great. Maybe he over performs for a 1.0 WAR or something. Still not worth the money when the Twins can still try to find younger pitchers with upside for the league minimum and get the same performance.

I don't know why anyone is concerned about money, right now the Twins have almost unlimited gold. I don't care if Pelfrey comes back or not, but having 3 heathly pitchers like Correia, Gibson, and Pelfrey, who can take the ball every 5 days is far from the worst way to start a rotation.

 

An OP posted an article about the definitions of 1's, 2's, 3's etc. One of the examples used by the author for a 3 was Pelfrey.

I don't know why, but I was surprised to hear Molitor is actually older than Gardy. I did not get that it is likely that Gardy is gone from that interview. It did make me think it is possible, but I still think there is over a 50% chance he will be back. This is probably better suited for the other thread, but I thought that was the strongest that Ryan was about hinting it might be best to move Mauer.

But you KNOW that they don't look at their money as "unlimited" so there is no point to be made there.

 

On no planet is Mike Pelfrey a 3.

I don't understand why people wouldn't want pelfrey back? After a horrendous start (after coming back very very quickly from TJS) he actually pitched rather solidly

 

Im not a Pelfrey fan because anytime there is a runner on base, the pace of the game slows way down. And Pelfrey allows a lot of base runners

Garza just isn't going to happen. ...

 

I would still have a problem with Pelfrey. The odds of him being even a replacement level pitcher are not too great. Maybe he over performs for a 1.0 WAR or something. Still not worth the money when the Twins can still try to find younger pitchers with upside for the league minimum and get the same performance.

 

Shane - agree on Garza. Cannot imagine he would ever go to a team where Anderson was the pitching coach.

 

Regarding Pelfrey - where are these 'young pitchers with upside'? De Vries? Hernandez? I'd go on, but you get the idea.

 

I agree with Howieramone, Boom Boom and Halsey Hall that Correia, Pelfrey & Gibson give us a start to our rotation. Maybe not the prettiest start, but 3 guys who can give us a chance to win some games. On this team that is a big deal.

 

Would I rather have 5 pitchers who average 9 SO/9? Of course.

I hope the Twins seriously go after Tanaka. I'll be really impressed if they get him because the FA pitchers out there are not terribly awesome and I think a lot of teams will target Tanaka.

 

Pelfrey had a great July and August just coming back from TJ surgery. I would expect his arm was pretty tired by September. I don't think he's a bad bet.

 

* edit: did not mean to put words in the mouths of Boom Boom and Halsey Hall - they spoke solely of Pelfrey.

Edited September 28, 201313 yr by Oldgoat_MN

The twins should have Gibson, pelfrey and Correia as there 3/4/5 and go out and bring in two of josh Johnson, Ervin Santana, tim lincecum, etc etc to be the 1 and 2's