The team's next manager

[Highabove]

Why would Maddon want to come here?? He loves the Ray's organization and their owners.

He also enjoys the Tampa St. Pete Community. There is no way he would work for Ryan or for that matter the Pohlad's.

[Pius Jefferson]

The Angels are going to back up the brinks truck to steal Maddon away from Tampa.

 

According to Patrick Reusse a second hand source says it's up to Gardy if he wants to return.

[Chance]

I said the second he was hired that he would be managing the major league team the next season. Dougie has the attitude and the youth this team needs. With that said, I don't think Gardy is going anywhere anymore.

[clutterheart]

I never even considered that Ulger would be considered for the spot. But now that I see it here I am convinced this is the way Ryan would want to go.

 

Scott Ulger - your next manager of the MN twins...just typing this makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up....

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

According to Patrick Reusse a second hand source says it's up to Gardy if he wants to return.

 

How unfortunate. I've never understood the Twins fans who defend the manager more vehemently than they defend the players, especially considering the successful guys we've seen come through here. Let's give Gardenhire some credit for managing during the good years but keep him around and we will be seeing attendance in the single thousands a year from now.

 

Folks who care more deeply about Ron Gardenhire than they care about the team itself should ask themselves if the inevitable losing season next year would leave a permanent stain on his chances to ever manage in any other organization. One bad year is an aberration, two bad years might be excused. Check out the story today in the Pioneer Press about Mauer getting "irritable" whenever Gardenhire comes to talk to him. Link

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This franchise is overdue to decide if they want to rebuild around Mauer and their top prospects and new leadership in the clubhouse, or if they want to maintain their job welfare program for Gardenhire and his good-ol'-boy network while guys like Gibson and Hicks wither on the vine. So yeah, I have an opinion about this. It's got to be someone other than Gardenhire and someone not currently on the coaching staff.

[glunn]

Maddon's job interview with Twins front office personnel...

 

Terry Ryan: Like I did with Ron, I would expect to talk with you frequently about what kind of team you'd like to field. For starters, can you tell me how you would like to see the organization go about adding talent within the constraints of our existing budget?

 

Maddon: It would be great to see you and your staff target a free agent pitcher with strong peripherals who is still affordable due to an ERA that was artificially inflated by a high BABIP and low strand rate. And maybe be willing to part with some non-essential talent to acquire a high minor league infielder who has posted strong wOBA's for his age relative to league but who is undervalued because he's blocked within his organization.

 

Entire Twins front office in unison:

http://www.mymeetingprofessional.com/wp-content/uploads/Dr-Evil-My-Meeting-Professional.jpg

BWAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAA!!!!!!!

 

I thought that Skeletor worked for the Yankees.

[glunn]

How unfortunate. I've never understood the Twins fans who defend the manager more vehemently than they defend the players, especially considering the successful guys we've seen come through here. Let's give Gardenhire some credit for managing during the good years but keep him around and we will be seeing attendance in the single thousands a year from now.

 

Folks who care more deeply about Ron Gardenhire than they care about the team itself should ask themselves if the inevitable losing season next year would leave a permanent stain on his chances to ever manage in any other organization. One bad year is an aberration, two bad years might be excused. Check out the story today in the Pioneer Press about Mauer getting "irritable" whenever Gardenhire comes to talk to him. Link

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This franchise is overdue to decide if they want to rebuild around Mauer and their top prospects and new leadership in the clubhouse, or if they want to maintain their job welfare program for Gardenhire and his good-ol'-boy network while guys like Gibson and Hicks wither on the vine. So yeah, I have an opinion about this. It's got to be someone other than Gardenhire and someone not currently on the coaching staff.

 

Moderator note:

 

Your statement about fans who care more about Gardenhire than the team is inflammatory. I read the forums a lot and have never seen anyone who meets this description.

 

This is a good example of a fairly common problem that we moderators are going to be addressing more aggressively -- exaggerations that provoke bickering and inaccurate labeling of other members.

 

Yes, Gardenhire has his defenders here, but there is ZERO basis to suggest that they care more about him than the team. Such characterizations may feel good for the givers but make the recipients feel bad. If someone were to respond by posting something about the people who are too irrational and mule headed to realize that Gardy has been given a weak lineup, then the shoe would be on the other foot and we would then have to deal with a stupid flame war.

 

Normally I would just delete your post and send you a private message, but I am calling this out to the community as a whole because it is a great example of something that we are trying to eliminate. Please consider that the reason for TD policy is to promote friendly, intelligent debate among fans who share a common love for the team. You can certainly tell people that you respectfully believe that they are totally wrong, but you must refrain from inflammatory, inaccurate labeling. We moderators are going to treat this as trolling.

 

Finally, I see lots of merit in what you say. But you need to be more respectful of your fellow fans who may disagree with you but who, under TD policy, must show similar respect for you.

[beckmt]

Doubt Gardy will leave on his own. Does he get pushed out, easy way would be to let Rick Anderson go for performance reasons, then maybe Gardy resigns. Anderson could be on the hot seat given the article in the Stribe about a week or two ago on Liarino, which brought up that the Pirates pitching coach spotted an issue in his delivery and fixed it. That raise a flag for me that said maybe this pitching coach needs to be replaced and let Bobby Cuellar have a shot at it. Starting pitching was terrible and starters up here did not seem to improve during the season.

If that does not work, my guess is that Gardy will be back, otherwise Glenn Glynn has done a great job at Rochester, he should be given the chance if the team goes internal, other choice would be Steinbach.

[old nurse]

How unfortunate. I've never understood the Twins fans who defend the manager more vehemently than they defend the players, especially considering the successful guys we've seen come through here. Let's give Gardenhire some credit for managing during the good years but keep him around and we will be seeing attendance in the single thousands a year from now.

 

Folks who care more deeply about Ron Gardenhire than they care about the team itself should ask themselves if the inevitable losing season next year would leave a permanent stain on his chances to ever manage in any other organization. One bad year is an aberration, two bad years might be excused. Check out the story today in the Pioneer Press about Mauer getting "irritable" whenever Gardenhire comes to talk to him. Link.

 

 

Mauer is injured with something that has no timetable for return nor treatment plan. To take that story where you did is an interesting way to read a story.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Moderator note:

 

Your statement about fans who care more about Gardenhire than the team is inflammatory. I read the forums a lot and have never seen anyone who meets this description.

 

This is a good example of a fairly common problem that we moderators are going to be addressing more aggressively -- exaggerations that provoke bickering and inaccurate labeling of other members.

 

Yes, Gardenhire has his defenders here, but there is ZERO basis to suggest that they care more about him than the team. Such characterizations may feel good for the givers but make the recipients feel bad. If someone were to respond by posting something about the people who are too irrational and mule headed to realize that Gardy has been given a weak lineup, then the shoe would be on the other foot and we would then have to deal with a stupid flame war.

 

Normally I would just delete your post and send you a private message, but I am calling this out to the community as a whole because it is a great example of something that we are trying to eliminate. Please consider that the reason for TD policy is to promote friendly, intelligent debate among fans who share a common love for the team. You can certainly tell people that you respectfully believe that they are totally wrong, but you must refrain from inflammatory, inaccurate labeling. We moderators are going to treat this as trolling.

 

Finally, I see lots of merit in what you say. But you need to be more respectful of your fellow fans who may disagree with you but who, under TD policy, must show similar respect for you.

 

Understood.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Mauer is injured with something that has no timetable for return nor treatment plan. To take that story where you did is an interesting way to read a story.

 

I'm not sure how to read it.

 

True, the concussion is a critical fact but don't overlook that Mauer and Gardenhire have an unflattering years-long history of back and forth bickering about whether Gardenhire was going to write Joe into the lineup on any particular day.

 

A minor story, but I do think it's news that the GM and manager told the media that the team's mild-mannered star player was so irritable that he was excused from the park -- sure does violate the "keep it in the locker room" code.

[Joe A. Preusser]

I actually think Ryan will look for an excuse to extend Gardenhire. There hasn't been any point in the season the Twins have played well enough that Ryan could justify going out and offering an extension based on current performance. However, I think he's painted himself into a corner based on past comments implying the failure isn't Gardy's fault.

 

The Twins have won two in a row, I wouldn't be surprised if they win a few more using these young guys, if Ryan uses that as justification to offer an extension before the season ends.

 

 

TR doesn't need to fabricate excuses, there are plenty of legitimate reasons to extend Gardy. If they choose to go in another direction, so be it. But let's be honest about the high quality of manager we have in place right now.

[ThePuck]

I don't like it, but I agree. That would be such a classicly passive way to dismiss Gardy, it does sound like it's right in the organization's wheelhouse.

 

Though in my post I said "if" not "when" Gardy is replaced. Though I don't necissarily agree with it, I still think the adds are Gardy gets an extension.

 

I stopped being a Gardy supporter towards the end of the 2007 season, though I won't slam him just to slam him and I will give him his due when I think it's warranted. I would like to see someone new...but only if that someone new came from completely outside the organization. I don't see that happening.

[Squirrel]

 

Scott Ulger - your next manager of the MN twins...just typing this makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up....

 

And reading it does worse for me. Blecht.

[LaBombo]

And reading it does worse for me. Blecht.

The Ullger part or the neck hair part?

[Winston Smith]

I would think the "doing the same thing over and over and...." would come into play at some point. Can you really sell what we have seen to season ticket buyers anymore? Can you get fans excited sending out the same cast of characters (manager and coaches) again next year? Not sure dumping a few coaches again this year will cut it.

[Oldgoat_MN]

I never even considered that Ulger would be considered for the spot. But now that I see it here I am convinced this is the way Ryan would want to go.

 

Scott Ulger - your next manager of the MN twins.....

 

That was mean. I used to enjoy your posts, clutterheart.

 

You're dead to me now.

[old nurse]

I'm not sure how to read it.

 

True, the concussion is a critical fact but don't overlook that Mauer and Gardenhire have an unflattering years-long history of back and forth bickering about whether Gardenhire was going to write Joe into the lineup on any particular day.

 

A minor story, but I do think it's news that the GM and manager told the media that the team's mild-mannered star player was so irritable that he was excused from the park -- sure does violate the "keep it in the locker room" code.

 

I am sure that Joe Mauer is really happy that he can't play. I am sure that with symptoms, which he has or otherwise he would be cleared to play, he is a real joy to be around. I bet he even really likes not knowing what the heck is going to happen. Especially after he has seen the career of Morneau post concussion. It has been about three weeks and symptoms come back. I am sure he likes that. The powers that be should have said that Mauer wasn't feeling well. They said irritable. HIPPA violation, fine them.

[wavedog]

Mike Maddux. This franchise needs someone, anyone, from outside the organization to come in. As someone who used to live in Dallas and follows the Rangers as a side team the things Maddux has done for the pitching there is amazing. Built a whole new philosophy. With our young arms coming up we need someone who has proven to be able to harness their talent.

 

As I say this I'm guessing if Gardy isn't back, which I would bet he will be, the front office most likely will bring someone from within the organization.

 

100% agree with this. I live down here in Arlington and have seen Maddux make a huge impact with the Rangers pitching staff since he became pitching coach. Especially given the fact that it looks like we have a good stable of hitters coming up but pitching is where we will need the most impact.

[IdahoPilgrim]

 

Check out the story today in the Pioneer Press about Mauer getting "irritable" whenever Gardenhire comes to talk to him. Link

 

I checked the story. It looked to me like the thing that Mauer is irritated about is constant questions about his health. I didn't see anything here which indicated a greater schism between manager and star player, which is how the comment here could have been interpreted.

 

Frankly, while I by no means am intending to rag on Mauer, I think this says more about him than about Gardenhire. He's going to need to understand (and I suspect he actually does) that given his salary and his prominence on the field and in the clubhouse his recovery is going to be under a public microscope. Sucks, but that's where it is.

[70charger]

I read this story too, and what I got out of it was that irritability in and of itself is a symptom of concussions:

 

" 'Irritable' is one of the descriptions many times you will hear (associated with) concussion symptoms," Ryan said. "He got here, went through some of the paces, didn't have the response he was hoping (for), and we have to be able to address that."

 

In other words, people recovering from brain injury often don't act like themselves, which manifests in irritability (alluded to in the article), which is very out of character for Joe Mauer (also alluded to in the article), and team brass is picking up on these signals as a sign that he isn't ready to come back (also alluded to in the article).

 

It has nothing to do with Gardenhire, it honestly has very little to do with non-brain-injured Joe Mauer, but it has everything to do with concussion symptoms playing havoc with the concussion victim's mood.

[BHtwins]

I dont think TR is off the hook either. There are no other franchises that would go through 3 consecutive 90 loss seasons while staring a 4th one next season right in the eye and let the GM and manager stand.

 

Its time for the Pohlad's and St. Peter to show the fan base they are interested in something beside making money on the back of the public largesse. You got your stadium now do the fans a solid and show us that your serious about winning. Find some new blood.

[Steve Penz]

100% agree with this. I live down here in Arlington and have seen Maddux make a huge impact with the Rangers pitching staff since he became pitching coach. Especially given the fact that it looks like we have a good stable of hitters coming up but pitching is where we will need the most impact.

 

This would be interesting. I like it. I am not a gardy hater but I support shaking things up. I wish there was some occasional new blood. Why not hire from outside? Even if it was not the head coach then how about some of the other coaches?

 

Side question/request: somebody please explain why people even mention Molitor. He has barely coached. He is not currently coaching. IMO if he really wanted the job or any head coaching job he would follow the normal path to get one. Because he is hometown and was a great player are not a legit reasons to consider him.

[cmb0252]

100% agree with this. I live down here in Arlington and have seen Maddux make a huge impact with the Rangers pitching staff since he became pitching coach. Especially given the fact that it looks like we have a good stable of hitters coming up but pitching is where we will need the most impact.

 

Ron Washington used to play for the Twins so even though it is very small there is some connection. Kind of.... Ok, not really, but I love Maddux. Perfect fit.

[Musk21]

There's no doubt in my mind that if Gardy were to go, that Gene Glynn would be the next manager. The Twins aren't going to go outside of the organization, that's just not the way they do things (although one could argue they went outside the organization to bring him here in 2012). Rochester was 53-91 in 2011 under Nieto and improved to 72-72 in '12 and 77-67 this year.

 

My guess is they tell Gardy that he can stay, but Andy would need to go, so Gardy opts not to return.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I read this story too, and what I got out of it was that irritability in and of itself is a symptom of concussions:

 

In other words, people recovering from brain injury often don't act like themselves, which manifests in irritability (alluded to in the article), which is very out of character for Joe Mauer (also alluded to in the article), and team brass is picking up on these signals as a sign that he isn't ready to come back (also alluded to in the article).

 

It has nothing to do with Gardenhire, it honestly has very little to do with non-brain-injured Joe Mauer, but it has everything to do with concussion symptoms playing havoc with the concussion victim's mood.

 

People who listen regularly to the radio broadcasts of games and the complementary radio programming will have heard some really petty back-and-forths between Mauer and Gardy about why or why not Mauer was in the lineup after his Bilateral leg weakness. Mauer saying he was sore, Gardy giving him day off, Mauer coming back and saying yeah he was sore but still wanted to play, Gardy saying he let's Joe tell him what to do, etc.

 

So when I read the "irritability" story, that whole backstory came to mind.

 

Maybe concussion symptoms but hard for me to take Terry Ryan at face value after what he said about the Scott Baker injury. Also what an earlier poster in this thread said about having two young newborns and lack of sleep could make a guy irritable

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Side question/request: somebody please explain why people even mention Molitor. He has barely coached. He is not currently coaching. IMO if he really wanted the job or any head coaching job he would follow the normal path to get one. Because he is hometown and was a great player are not a legit reasons to consider him.

 

Larry Dierker came directly from the broadcast booth to lead the Astros so having no coaching experience is not unheard of... and I think there's still Molitor love left over from 2001-2002 when TK stepped down and Molitor and Gardenhire were considered to be the front runners.

 

Also, Sid Hartman -- leave it to Sid -- made a pretty blunt statement about a month ago that Dave St. Peter wants Molitor to manage (I'm sure that eased the tension in the front office).

[Willihammer]

I realize he's probably not the best or most deserving person for the job but if they are going to promote from within, I'd kind of like to see how Mientkewicz would do.

[Kwak]

The Twins made a big deal about Jim Thome's 600th HR--and he spent very little of his career at Minnesota nor was he "home-grown" ala` Molitor and Winfield for their fetes. My question is why aren't the Twins making a big deal about Gardenhire's 1000th win? My guess is that he is "on the outs" with the FO [those above Ryan]. I combine that with Gardenhire selling his MN home and conclude--he's gone after this September.

[LaBombo]

I realize he's probably not the best or most deserving person for the job but if they are going to promote from within, I'd kind of like to see how Mientkewicz would do.

We know he's still willing to mix it up if there's a bench-clearing brawl...