Eduardo Escobar,Oswaldo Arcia and Chris Parmelee sent down to AAA?

[jorgenswest]

Ryan could be wrong, but I think he sees it helping Parmelee and Arcia get untracked. It won't help the Twins in the next few weeks adding replacement level or worse players. The purpose seems more for the development than the record. I am not sure i agree it is the best for Arcia and Parmelee but I get the move.

[Joe A. Preusser]

That is BS of an excuse. He can go out and say that they suck, because they do, and they need to get their act together.

 

He can play them every day at LF and RF, with Thomas on the bench and Doumit as the DH. But not that "they need at bats".

 

Well deserved for Bernier btw and I think that the Twins fans will like what they see. Hard nosed player in the Punto mold who would be fine coming off the bench.

 

Thank you for confirming that no matter what Gardy says or does, there will always be fans on here who will stake him out over the coals and roast him alive for absolutely no reason. Maybe all the TD critics should get together and write his press copy for him? Or have him text you all from the dugout to ask if he should leave his pitcher in another inning? That might at least save you all some time writing and the rest of us reading.

[goulik]

Ryan could be wrong, but I think he sees it helping Parmelee and Arcia get untracked. It won't help the Twins in the next few weeks adding replacement level or worse players. The purpose seems more for the development than the record. I am not sure i agree it is the best for Arcia and Parmelee but I get the move.

Just FYI... Untracked or On Track are train terms...Untracked means the train is off the tracks. AKA, They are Not good. I think what you are saying is "Get On Track" meaning headed in the right direction.

there has been plenty of speculation that these guys need some honing and this seems like the ideal time to get Parms and Arcia some work at AAA while final trades are worked out before the deadline. Ryan said clearly "the next 10 games will determine" if we are buyers or sellers...we're selling. I wouldn't be surprised to see Mouneau gone in the next 3 days. Doumit, Fien, Duensing, Burton, Correia, Pelfrey, and Carroll are surely being shopped with packages that may include numerous AAAA players to anyone willing to buy. These moves are part of what we already knew. The MLB season is over and we are working on 2014. No one should be surprised, most of us knew this in April.

[goulik]

Could this move really be about Hermann for Doumit, Collabello for Morneau, and Bernier for Carroll?

[Seth Stohs]

Just FYI... Untracked or On Track are train terms...Untracked means the train is off the tracks. AKA, They are Not good. I think what you are saying is "Get On Track" meaning headed in the right direction.

 

Thank you! I didn't want to be the one to send this one.

 

Anyway, I'm pretty sure when Morneau is traded, Parmelee will be back. When Carroll is traded, Escobar will be back. This just gives them a chance to get every day at bats for a week or two before those deals happen.

 

As for Arcia, he's like 21, so they have to do what's best for him long term.

[Riverbrian]

Sad to see these guys go down... Happy to see Colabello come up.... Herrmann 2...

 

Bernier... I gotta get to know him. Hope he's in the lineup Friday.

[Winston Smith]

I don't understand the worry about our record at this point they should be looking long term and this looks like taking that direction.

[ThePuck]

I gotta be 100% honest here, I just can't get worked up about this.

[clutterheart]

Well...

Bernier & Colabello are having career years at AAA. At least it shows the Twins will reward Minor League FA when they produce. I've always liked Herrmann, I would guess the team will try him at catcher too to see if he can be counted on when/if they trade Doumit.

 

Not much silver linings to be found in this. If Arcia & Parmelee can't turn it around, we are looking at a Dark 2014.

[Craig Arko]

Could this move really be about Hermann for Doumit, Collabello for Morneau, and Bernier for Carroll?

 

Quite possibly some combination of these. Not necessarily all, but this could be preparation.

[Otto von Ballpark]

I'm not so confident Morneau and Carroll CAN be traded, much less will be.

 

Does Hermann's promotion mean anything for Pinto?

[Mike Sixel]

Yawn. Would be nice if there were some young players to promote..........something to care about.

[TheLeviathan]

Oof, that lineup on Friday might look really ugly. We'll have, what?, two or maybe three players in that lineup that have any chance of being in the lineup in three years?

[jokin]

Yawn. Would be nice if there were some young players to promote..........something to care about.

 

 

Oof, that lineup on Friday might look really ugly. We'll have, what?, two or maybe three players in that lineup that have any chance of being in the lineup in three years?

 

44 posts and I still haven't seen anyone satisfactorily explain the rationale for the promotion of Bob Dernier....oops, I mean Doug Bernier. Maybe that's because probably 90% of the TD faithful had never heard of him before this evening?

[Danchat]

44 posts and I still haven't seen anyone satisfactorily explain the rationale for the promotion of Bob Dernier....oops, I mean Doug Bernier. Maybe that's because probably 90% of the TD faithful had never heard of him before this evening?

 

My rationale on the situation is: Eduardo Escobar isn't batting well enough/outmatched at the plate so much that he needs bats in AAA, where he can start at the now wide open SS position.

 

Doug Bernier.... is now a 5th string infielder. He won't be playing much, and that's okay. The thought is that the young prospects should be starting, whether that be MLB level or AAA, and the veterans can back up. They don't need starts like the younger ones do.

 

Not sure I like him on the 40 man roster though....

[ashbury]

Just FYI... Untracked or On Track are train terms...Untracked means the train is off the tracks. AKA, They are Not good.

 

I've seen the phrase many times in the sense Seth meant, and dictionary.com seems to back him up on it, with definition 2:

 

Untracked | Define Untracked at Dictionary.com

 

2. Informal. achieving a superior level of performance after a slow start: The team suddenly got untracked and began to score.

 

[ashbury]

Not sure I like him on the 40 man roster though....

 

Changes are surely coming and I'm not inclined to get much worked up over one slot on the 40-man except if it involves exposing someone young to waivers.

[diehardtwinsfan]

I think technically Walters was DFAd when Pelfrey came off the DL... so that spot is open.

[Bark's Lounge]

44 posts and I still haven't seen anyone satisfactorily explain the rationale for the promotion of Bob Dernier....oops, I mean Doug Bernier. Maybe that's because probably 90% of the TD faithful had never heard of him before this evening?

I certainly did not know about Bernier until I was checking the individual player stats of the Red Hawks a few weeks back.

 

I said to myself "who the hell is this guy?" 10 seconds later, after a brief investigation and trying to keep down the vomit from exiting my mouth onto my computer - I understood who Doug Bernier was.

 

There is no rationale for Mr. Bernier's promotion.

[jokin]

My rationale on the situation is: Eduardo Escobar isn't batting well enough/outmatched at the plate so much that he needs bats in AAA, where he can start at the now wide open SS position.

 

Doug Bernier.... is now a 5th string infielder. He won't be playing much, and that's okay. The thought is that the young prospects should be starting, whether that be MLB level or AAA, and the veterans can back up. They don't need starts like the younger ones do.

 

Not sure I like him on the 40 man roster though....

 

Your last statement actually argues against your first 2 paragraphs.

 

There are others in the system, on and off the current 40-man roster, that might actually end up being on the team down the road, that could benefit both themselves and the team in being called up and getting some valuable major league experience. A cup of coffee for a rostered guy like Santana could be a good thing, even in a limited role for a week or two, Beresford being added to the 40-man as well (doesn't he have to be added to the 40-man or subject to Rule 5 anyway?).

 

The only rationale I can see is that the Twins can say to future prospective AAAAers that the Twins are trying to sign is that promoting Berner is proof that they, too, will have a genuine opportunity for a shot at the major league roster.

 

Personally, I'd rather they give Bob Dernier another shot, he seems more qualified:

 

Bob Dernier Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

There is no rationale for Mr. Bernier's promotion.

 

I don't know much about him either, but Gardy has always loved having several middle infielders on the bench. I'm guessing he wanted to replace Escobar with another middle infielder, and Florimon and Dozier have played well enough to keep them from giving Beresford a tryout.

[diehardtwinsfan]

Now that I think of it with Beresford, he's not on the 40 man (as Jokin mentioned). This means they'd burn an option on him this year when he is eventually sent down.

[YourHouseIsMyHouse]

All 3 of the guys should probably be playing in triple A, so I'm really okay with this. I'm glad Colabello will be playing too. On the other hand, Bernier should NOT be on a major league roster. I'm not of strong belief that Chris Herrmann should be just yet either. I would have much preferred to see the Twins opt for Josmil Pinto instead. However, I think Herrmann and Bernier will just be used as bench players so there is no big reason for outrage. They won't be here long.

[Bark's Lounge]

I don't get it. Bernier has no MLB future. Herrmann has hit .217 with a .650 OPS since being sent down. I like seeing Colabello get a chance but not at the expense of Parmelee.

 

Already on a 3-12 skid, the Twins are taking away reasons to watch. Not good.

 

This, this and this... and another this.

[YourHouseIsMyHouse]

Now that I think of it with Beresford, he's not on the 40 man (as Jokin mentioned). This means they'd burn an option on him this year when he is eventually sent down.

 

Beresford is at an age where I don't think the options matter much. He was up for the Rule V draft last year and no one took him. His value looks like its improved more though and he may get selected this year. It would make sense to add him if they have any intention of doing so in November when they may/may not be forced to.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

Quite possibly some combination of these. Not necessarily all, but this could be preparation.

 

Agreed, could be an indication of interest level shown by other GMs

[Richie the Rally Goat]

All 3 of the guys should probably be playing in triple A, so I'm really okay with this. I'm glad Colabello will be playing too. On the other hand, Bernier should NOT be on a major league roster. I'm not of strong belief that Chris Herrmann should be just yet either. I would have much preferred to see the Twins opt for Josmil Pinto instead. However, I think Herrmann and Bernier will just be used as bench players so there is no big reason for outrage. They won't be here long.

 

If you're bringing up Pinto, it had better be because Mauer is injured or traded, Pinto cannot ride the bench. Herrmann on the other hand is an excellent bench catcher/util guy candidate. Hope he sticks and Doumit brings good value in trade return.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Could Pinto now go to AAA? I admit I haven't been following the minor league catcher depth charts...

[Kwak]

Well, they have officially punted this season, so it is to be expected that some guys get demoted, as well as some get traded/put on waivers. Recall the discussions about Doumit taking ABs away from Parmalee? Now Doumit needs those ABs to showcase him as trade bait. The same for Morneau (hope does spring eternal in the Twins FO). These callups? Somebody has to be promoted--one has to be a middle INF, one has to be an OF and the third guy has to have provided some expectation that he can hit.

[Danchat]

I think technically Walters was DFAd when Pelfrey came off the DL... so that spot is open.

Your last statement actually argues against your first 2 paragraphs.

I know this. I just wanted that spot to be filled by a prospect, or maybe a DFA'd player. (Jair Jurrjens anyone?)

And I'm not trying to justify the move. I was trying to give my idea of the rationale of TR and Gardy.