Trade Proposals

[nicksaviking]

I wouldn’t want May if he were a free agent. Ober is already a better bullpen option than him anyway.

[tony&rodney]

If May was signed as a free agent, he cannot be traded until June. Just remember that free agents sign to be with a team for a reason and the teams cannot just send them off to another team. Was May signed to a minor league contract?

[Brandon]

I don't think Trevor May can be traded since he just signed a free agent contract.  I think there is a cooling off period before a player who just signed can be traded.  I think its June but I could be wrong.  

At this point we dont have big needs.  so if we were to make a trade it would be either a low level prospect for a reliever or a big three team deal for an ace.  I say three team because we would probably trade someone like Mahle or Gray to a 2nd team for prospects that could be included in the trade for an ace along with other prospects that we include from our own stock pile of prospects.  ow who has prospects to trade for Gray and who has an ace on a team that wants to rebuild ????

[DocBauer]

Brian Duensing for.............

[tony&rodney]

I would offer Miami Trevor Larnach, either Josh Winder or Bailey Ober, and Noah Miller for Edward Cabrera. Those talks are finished, sadly.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

3 hours ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

Interesting idea. Here's the question - When does Davis play? We have Vasquez for 3 years and Jeffers isn't a free agent until 2027 so we have him for 4 years. I know we have no depth in AAA but I'm not in favor of trading two guys who have at least some upside (Varland as maybe a #3/4 SP, and Walner as a starting OF) for depth. Would you follow up that trade by trading Jeffers?

Good point. I'll have my people get back to your people and we'll do lunch.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

4 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

Interesting idea. They would need to invest in a wrist guard and/or get him to back off the plate so he quits getting hit by pitches. And they'd need to be really sure he'll stick behind the plate. His arm is certainly good enough, but lots of talk on scouting reviews that he's too stiff to stick back there and will be moved to RF or 3B in which case he's less valuable to the Twins.

Hmmmm. Maybe I'll re-think my brilliant trade proposal. 

[chpettit19]

3 minutes ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

Hmmmm. Maybe I'll re-think my brilliant trade proposal. 

I think it's a solid idea. They seem real confident in their ability to turn questionable defensive catchers into solid catchers. Although, with the new bases they may want to get away from the 1 leg down style of catching so they can throw some people out. But he's got a grade 70 arm so it'd be real nice to have that behind the plate.

[AlwaysinModeration]

I don’t think this makes a ton of sense after the López trade, but I’d like to see the Twins trade Max Kepler to the Rockies for German Marquez.  I think Marquez could be excellent if he moved out of Coors, and I think Kepler would benefit from playing there like Morneau and Cuddyer did - and the Rockies are looking for LH outfielders, including possibly to play center.

Alternatively, they also have some good bullpen arms like Bard and Kinley.  Getting both for Kepler would be quite something.

[dxpavelka]

You can pretty much bank on the fact that by June the A's will be selling and if we're dreaming of contending we'll be looking for additional bullpen help.  Don't know if that's the deal to be made but I'm certainly making a call.

[dxpavelka]

6 hours ago, Brandon said:

I don't think Trevor May can be traded since he just signed a free agent contract.  I think there is a cooling off period before a player who just signed can be traded.  I think its June but I could be wrong.  

At this point we dont have big needs.  so if we were to make a trade it would be either a low level prospect for a reliever or a big three team deal for an ace.  I say three team because we would probably trade someone like Mahle or Gray to a 2nd team for prospects that could be included in the trade for an ace along with other prospects that we include from our own stock pile of prospects.  ow who has prospects to trade for Gray and who has an ace on a team that wants to rebuild ????

Works fine.  A's will be selling by June and we'll either be looking up at .500 or looking for bullpen help.

[Rik19753]

6 hours ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

Regarding prospect "availability", you trade away pieces for anybody you think will make you better, even if it is for middling relievers.  The issue is whether the team believes in the the prospect.  Don't get me wrong, I am not planting my flag on this Trevor May proposal, but a guy like Canterino is not close to being a useful piece to a big league club.  He is what, our 15th ranked prospect?  Injury prone as well... Are we saying do not trade the 15th best Twins prospect for useful big league piece?  (Arguing for/against May in this spot is semantics).  I would have a hard time buying into that.  Regarding Ober, I am of the belief he falls into that 4-5 SP category.  Not hard to find. (Again, my opinion).

But you don't trade away pieces if you can get the same thing without giving up anything. Trading Ober and Canterino for May is like paying $10 for something that can be had for free.

The comparison shouldn't be

May vs. Ober and Canterino

it should be

May vs. (Best FA RP that can be signed for the amount that May is paid), Ober and Canterino

 

So unless the FO believes that May is better than any available FA RP, they will have no reason to give up even their last ranked prospect for May. Much less Ober and Canterino.

[pierre75275]

17 hours ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

We have a few weeks before P&C report.  Not much left to discuss on the FA market.  The roster looks relatively set, though there are a few spots in question.  I would like to hear if anybody has any legit trade proposals that would help this current team.

IMO the Twins have a surplus of borderline starting OF, mid-rotation SP, and high-end SS prospects.  I think this gives them some flexibility on the trade market.

One trade I think they could make would be a reunion with old friend Trevor May:
Twins get:  Trevor May
A's get:  Bailey Ober, Matt Canterino

What do you think?  What do you propose?

Do not understand why this would even remotely be an option.

I believe the A's signed signed May this off-season, so don't they have to wait until June 1st to trade him? May, as good as he was for the Twins, was not for the Mets.

Not only that if the Twins wanted him, they could have signed him for cash only. If they weren't willing to only pay cash for him, why would they want to send Ober, who would be a reliable pitcher in the back end of their staff for years PLUS Centerino, who could be a critical piece in their bullpen also for years?

Not only that, but they could sign a very good lefty reliever which would be better suited for their bullpen for only cash, and maybe less than for what May is signed for.

As far as trade proposals go, I really think Kepler gets moved for prospect(s).

[TopGunn#22]

I like the idea of Kepler for Marquez.  I would consider Kepler to the Yankees for Frankie Montas.  Montas was the Ace of Oakland's pitching staff when they were pretty good.  He wasn't quite "right" when the Yankees traded for him at the deadline last year and he's going to miss the first month of the season getting his shoulder healthy.  The Twins have the depth to be patient with Montas and once healthy this would be about as low as you can go to get a #1 starter.  If it works out the Twins would have pitching to deal at the trade deadline for an impact move.  Kepler for Montas is a gamble I would take.  

[Fire Dan Gladden]

9 hours ago, Rik19753 said:

So unless the FO believes that May is better than any available FA RP, they will have no reason to give up even their last ranked prospect for May. Much less Ober and Canterino.

This is kind of my point.  If the FO does believe May is better, they consider that trade.  If they think the value received is better, they make that trade.  It doesn't matter what you or I think, it matters what they think.

IMO the value of those two is comparatively low:  a fringy starter and a middle ranked prospect.  Your expectations should be low for these two.  If not, you are probably overvaluing them.

Again, I am not planting my flag on May specifically.  But you make this type of move if you are the Twins and you believe it makes you better.  

[nicksaviking]

10 hours ago, dxpavelka said:

You can pretty much bank on the fact that by June the A's will be selling and if we're dreaming of contending we'll be looking for additional bullpen help.  Don't know if that's the deal to be made but I'm certainly making a call.

I don't trust pitchers coming out of Oakland though. If they somehow "fix" Trevor May, I'll be suspicious as hell.

[Fire Dan Gladden]

Boy did this thread lose control.  I guess I am partially to blame...

I am requesting possible trade scenarios and the majority of posters are focusing on the one trade proposal I made.  I get it, you don't like what I put out there.  Fine.

Let's hear what trade proposals you think the Twins should make to improve this team. 

[Steve71]

Kepler plus $5M cash to the Marlins for Max Meyer, Dax Fulton and Ronald Hernandez.

A good looking SP prospect coming of TJS and lottery ticket C and SP prospects.  Plus, Meyer is one of us! :)

[Bigfork Twins Guy]

3 hours ago, TopGunn#22 said:

I like the idea of Kepler for Marquez.  I would consider Kepler to the Yankees for Frankie Montas.  Montas was the Ace of Oakland's pitching staff when they were pretty good.  He wasn't quite "right" when the Yankees traded for him at the deadline last year and he's going to miss the first month of the season getting his shoulder healthy.  The Twins have the depth to be patient with Montas and once healthy this would be about as low as you can go to get a #1 starter.  If it works out the Twins would have pitching to deal at the trade deadline for an impact move.  Kepler for Montas is a gamble I would take.  

Why would the Yankees trade a #1 starter (in your opinion) straight up for Kepler?  Didn't they give up the farm to the A's for him just last trading deadline?

[LA VIkes Fan]

15 hours ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

Good point. I'll have my people get back to your people and we'll do lunch.

Lunch it is. Ciao, baby.

[August J Gloop]

The only realistic trades I could see them making have to involve Winder or Sands (40 man and clearly passed on the depth charts) and whichever of Kepler, Larnach, Gordon, or Kiriloff they a) feel comfortable parting with and b) the other team has utility for. They clearly are at their limit of 40 man jettisons, otherwise we'd probably have seen a Fulmer or Matt Moore signing by now. 

Depending on the return, I can't see them being particularly reluctant to trade any of them outside maybe Kiriloff. On the other hand, they clearly are also comfortable rolling with the lot of them. That gives them strength in the negotiation. 

With the rotation depth as it is, Winder and Sands seem like great parts in a deal for pitching from the Rays or Bryan Reynolds. 

1 hour ago, Bigfork Twins Guy said:

Why would the Yankees trade a #1 starter (in your opinion) straight up for Kepler?  Didn't they give up the farm to the A's for him just last trading deadline?

Call it the curse of Clint / Jackson Frazier (he was perpetually going to be traded for everyone's best player). But He's injured and the Yanks are over the Luxury Tax. Perhaps they might want to get out of the Montas biz and into the more fiscally responsible Kepler biz. 

[specialiststeve]

On 1/31/2023 at 3:38 PM, tarheeltwinsfan said:

Trade Walner and Varland for catcher Henry Davis of the Pirates, who have 2 top 10 prospect catchers. 

Actaully not a bad idea but would make more sense to target Endy Rodriquez who is a switch hitter and having the left side of the plate option as well as Endy can fill in in the OF and 2B in a pinch... that is the direction if we were going there.... Maybe a blockbuster...

Endy Rodriguez and Reynolds

for 

Jeffers, Kiriloff, Celesto, Kepler and either Varland or Catarino ... Throw in a Yasser Mercedes as a lotto ticket if that would help get it done. 

We have minor league depth at C until Endy is ready which sounds like mid summer of a cup of coffee at the year and starting next year split the time with Vasquez ... Reynolds makes us better for the next 3 years... 

Bring up Julian to play 1st... if Arreaz can play there... pretty sure at 6'2"  Julian can... and his bat will clearly play. 

Okay.. there is my trade ... tear apart... :)

 

[HoskenPowell]

A hard NO to the May trade proposal.     Just go sign Fulmer and or Hand / Chafin.  

 

And I still see posters complaining about getting SS's....  What is so hard for baseball fans to understand that the SS is almost always the best all around player on the field????  A SS can move to ANYWHERE on the field .  Other than catcher a SS can easily move to 3b/2nd/1st.   Corner oF is another east transition.  Hand eye coordination is usually very high. usually have decent speed and almost always a strong arm.

I'm guessing way over half of SS drafted never play the majority of their MLB games at short.....Lot's are moved in the minors and NEVER play a game at SS in the bigs..

[JD-TWINS]

On 1/31/2023 at 5:53 PM, tony&rodney said:

I would offer Miami Trevor Larnach, either Josh Winder or Bailey Ober, and Noah Miller for Edward Cabrera. Those talks are finished, sadly.

Love that trade for Luzardo v. Cabrera as well…..ship has sailed.

[tony&rodney]

On 2/2/2023 at 12:53 PM, specialiststeve said:

Endy Rodriguez and Reynolds

for 

Jeffers, Kiriloff, Celesto, Kepler and either Varland or Catarino ... Throw in a Yasser Mercedes as a lotto ticket if that would help get it done.

Pittsburgh wants top 50 guys. 

Wonder if they listen if Celestino, Kepler, and one pitcher is replaced by Larnach, Ober, and Winder? 

I find Pittsburgh's ask for Reynolds to be curious, but then again I'm not a big fan of his. the line above is just wondering. I am a fan of the athleticism and future of Endy Rodriguez.

[Rod Carews Birthday]

I think we are probably done trading until spring training starts.  Their 40 man roster is full, as is everyone else’s.   At that point, if everyone is mostly healthy and a few clubs get bit by early injuries, it could be a great time to trade one of the outfielders and one of the pitchers either for prospects or solid bullpen help.  My vote is to trade Kepler and Sands (or Winder) for bullpen arms. 

[JD-TWINS]

On 2/1/2023 at 11:50 AM, Bigfork Twins Guy said:

Why would the Yankees trade a #1 starter (in your opinion) straight up for Kepler?  Didn't they give up the farm to the A's for him just last trading deadline?

Help the Yankees feel good & go with Kepler - Celestino - Sands…………for Montas.

They need a LF. We send them 2 above average OF that can job share R&L hitting AND a potential depth arm.

[JD-TWINS]

9 minutes ago, Rod Carews Birthday said:

I think we are probably done trading until spring training starts.  Their 40 man roster is full, as is everyone else’s.   At that point, if everyone is mostly healthy and a few clubs get bit by early injuries, it could be a great time to trade one of the outfielders and one of the pitchers either for prospects or solid bullpen help.  My vote is to trade Kepler and Sands (or Winder) for bullpen arms. 

It seems to me that trading for relievers, that teams would be willing to give up, isn’t as effective as signing one of the 4-5 FA options. The guys available in trade are like looking into a mirror of our own Farm System, a whole bunch of “maybes.”

I can’t imagine trying to quantify the value going forward of any team’s #3-#8 relievers & doubt that anybody’s #1-#2 guys are for trade.

[Rod Carews Birthday]

1 hour ago, JD-TWINS said:

It seems to me that trading for relievers, that teams would be willing to give up, isn’t as effective as signing one of the 4-5 FA options. The guys available in trade are like looking into a mirror of our own Farm System, a whole bunch of “maybes.”

I can’t imagine trying to quantify the value going forward of any team’s #3-#8 relievers & doubt that anybody’s #1-#2 guys are for trade.

Point taken and I think I agree.  I think that one of the side-benefits of a trade would be freeing up a spot on the 40 man roster, although two spots come free when Spring Training starts with Canterino and Paddack going on the 60 day.  There are indeed some good options still out there as free agents, but I think the Twins now value the players on the 40 man (whether they should or not — Pagan?) too much to just DFA someone.  So. . . someone needs to go. . . 

If those FA relievers are still out there during Spring Training, I think the Twins will sign one of them.  

[JD-TWINS]

3 hours ago, Rod Carews Birthday said:

Point taken and I think I agree.  I think that one of the side-benefits of a trade would be freeing up a spot on the 40 man roster, although two spots come free when Spring Training starts with Canterino and Paddack going on the 60 day.  There are indeed some good options still out there as free agents, but I think the Twins now value the players on the 40 man (whether they should or not — Pagan?) too much to just DFA someone.  So. . . someone needs to go. . . 

If those FA relievers are still out there during Spring Training, I think the Twins will sign one of them.  

Agreed - they may have a handshake deal with one of the 5 & have agreed to wait to sign. Hope so.

Look at the 2 relievers we are willing to trade - (perfect examples of the trade market) I think you’ll agree, they are upside guys that we’re ready to bail on………J. Lopez & Pagan. We would promote analytics like spin rate - velocity - # of pitches each has - strikeouts/9, but then COMMAND IN THE ZONE comes up & all that other stuff doesn’t seem to matter!!!