Let's see your best trade with the Marlins for pitching...

[chpettit19]

An interesting way to look at this is "would you trade Luis Arraez + others for 2 years of Joe Ryan?" Ryan missed time last year due to covid, not some arm injury or anything, but otherwise he was was pretty close in everything to Lopez. Lopez averaged 5.6 innings per start (180 innings, 32 starts), Ryan was at 5.4 (147 innings, 27 starts). Lopez 3.75 ERA, Ryan 3.55. Lopez 8.7 SO9, Ryan 9.2. I don't see any reason to believe Lopez would be our #1, let alone "a #1." He's no ace. I'm not giving up more than Arraez for him, and I'm not sure I'd even give up that much.

Kepler and Nowlin for Lopez.

[tony&rodney]

21 minutes ago, cmoss84 said:

MN receives: Alcantara

Miami has stated very specifically that they will not even discuss Alcantara. Thus an offer of Ryan, Ober, Duran, Miranda, Lewis, and Lee just isn't heard because .... click.

[Mike Sixel]

25 minutes ago, Chaz1966 said:

I like Lopez and his 2 yrs of control. If things don't work we can move him at deadline in yr 2 for prospects as we' will need to restock minors. 

Marlins get;

         Kepler

         Arraez

          Ober, or maybe our 2nd rnd pick in this years draft.

Twins get;

 

Lopez

That's an insane package for a number two or three pitcher with two years of control. No way the twins should do that. 

[tony&rodney]

Is this realistic - Arraez, Larnach, Kepler, Martin, Canterino, and Miller for Cabrera and Luzardo?

Martin, Canterino and Miller do not need to be placed on the 40 person roster yet.

[cmoss84]

9 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

Miami has stated very specifically that they will not even discuss Alcantara. Thus an offer of Ryan, Ober, Duran, Miranda, Lewis, and Lee just isn't heard because .... click.

You don't think every team in every sport says this? Every franchise has their price tag on every one of their players. I'm probably a Byron Buxton or Lee/Duran short on my offer, but every GM does what is in the best interest of their franchise moving forward. 

[Vanimal46]

I know the focus is on the Marlins specifically in this thread. My thought is what are the Diamondbacks doing? What would it take to trade for Zac Gallen? 

[tony&rodney]

55 minutes ago, cmoss84 said:

I'm probably a Byron Buxton or Lee/Duran short on my offer,

All three but the no, the Marlins won't waste their time. There are players that teams will not trade ... one example from the last decade - Trout.

[cmoss84]

11 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

All three but the no, the Marlins won't waste their time. There are players that teams will not trade ... one example from the last decade - Trout.

And the Angels have paid the price dearly.

[Mike Sixel]

51 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

I know the focus is on the Marlins specifically in this thread. My thought is what are the Diamondbacks doing? What would it take to trade for Zac Gallen? 

Big fan of his. Gotta think he costs one of Lee or Lewis plus two more guys. 

[Vanimal46]

5 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Big fan of his. Gotta think he costs one of Lee or Lewis plus two more guys. 

Likely so. And likely worth it for 3 years of control for Gallen. If people want a #1, that’s the guy. 

[tony&rodney]

14 minutes ago, cmoss84 said:

And the Angels have paid the price dearly.

Ok, we just disagree. I don't think Seattle would even consider trading Julio Rodriguez, but you believe it is just a matter of price.

Minnesota could use a pitcher or two and Miami has some good pitchers worth consideration. The goal is to find a trade that might work.

I'm not a huge fan of BaseballTradeValues.com, but take a look at it. Also consider that when a team is looking for pitchers they must come up with a higher value in most every case. Scherzer, Verlander, deGrom, Cole all lead in pay for a reason. BTV has Alcantara at 144, no Twins are at 40. Arraez is 26.6. I think the Marlins might consider a couple of players not on the 40 person roster, but would definitely need a current established and a MLB ready bat with some control. That means guys like Arraez, Miranda, Larnach, Kirillof, and Lewis with Kepler and Polanco as possible pieces. What would be the pieces that work in a Marlins-Twins trade?

[MGX]

5 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

That's a terrible trade for Miami 

Do you have some reasoning behind that statement.

Miami needs hitting & some bullpen help. The Twins are looking for a RH OF & SP with years of control. I prefer Luzardo or Cabrera as they'll be more affordable than Lopez. For the people suggesting Alcantara - they're not trading him & we wouldn't want to give up what it would take to get him anyways.

[TopGunn#22]

I happen to like the BTV site because it at least gives me a sense if what I'm proposing is realistic or simply a fantasy.  Here are some player values according to the site:

Marlins P. Lopez 38.7  26 yrs old   Ed. Cabrera 14.8  24 yrs old   J. Luzardo 20.8  24 yrs old  Max Meyer  21.1  23 yrs old  Trevor Rogers  36.5  24 yrs old   Sixto Sanchez  1.6  24 years old.

Twins  Arraez 26.6  26 yrs old  Polanco 34.8  28 yrs old  Larnach 14.6 25 yrs old  Kepler 7.6  29 yrs old  Kirilloff 11.9  24 yrs old  Martin 7.5 (young) Wallner 7.3  24 yrs old Winder 8.3  25 yrs old Miranda 26.4  24 yrs old  Ober 21.8  26 yrs old.

From this, I will propose two trades that would work.  In each I slightly overpay to get young, controllable pitching.

Trade #1  Arraez 26.6 & Larnach 14.6  total 41.2  for Pablo Lopez 38.7 and Sixto Sanchez 1.6  total 40.3

Trade #2  Polanco 34.8 and Kepler 7.6 total 42.4  for Pablo Lopez 38.7 and Sixto Sanchez 1.6  total 40.3

Each trade is fair to both teams and realistic.  The Marlins get veteran bats. (or an up and coming bat in Larnach's case).  The Twins get a #1 pitcher (I disagree with those who don't think so.  Lopez is 26 years old.  Capable of throwing 180+ innings and strikes guys out.  We'd have him for two solid years and longer if at 28 they like what they've got.  We have NO ONE we could expect 180+ innings from).  The Wild Card in each trade is Sixto Sanchez who for the last two years has battled some shoulder issues but was at one time MLB's #6 overall prospect.  Sanchez is just 24 years old and his value is waaay too low.  That's who I target as a throw in that could be a huge piece down the road.  The Twins have several "young promising arms" where health has been an issue.  In Lopez, they get a horse.  In Sanchez they get a lottery ticket that would leave the Twins very deep in young talented arms for the future.  This is the kind of trade I would make ESPCIALLY now that we've got Correa for the next 6 years.  Buxton & Correa give the Twins 2 guys that can be high WAR guys if they play 140 games or more each season.

[FlyingFinn]

Kepler and Polanco for Cabrera and Luzarde. Never can have too much pitching and we would be dealing from positions where we have depth, though not at Polanco's level when he is healthy.

[Beast]

Arraez is being overvalued, IMO.   Other teams scouts know his body is breaking down, can’t hit for power, can’t play defense, can’t run.  I can’t imagine anyone wanting to give up anything significant with him as a centerpiece.  Especially not electric young pitching.

I can’t see Kepler having a ton of value either.  

We just don’t have a lot to offer right now.  Miranda, Brooks Lee, SWR, Emmanuel (we’re not giving up Ryan or Duran).  Maybe a handful of other guys in the minors.  Everyone else has injury issues or haven’t performed especially well.  You’d be selling way too low 

I’d be all for a package of Miranda, SWR, and you’d probably have throw in another promising young pitching prospect for some of the guys being mentioned.  

[cmoss84]

1 hour ago, tony&rodney said:

Ok, we just disagree. I don't think Seattle would even consider trading Julio Rodriguez, but you believe it is just a matter of price.

Minnesota could use a pitcher or two and Miami has some good pitchers worth consideration. The goal is to find a trade that might work.

I'm not a huge fan of BaseballTradeValues.com, but take a look at it. Also consider that when a team is looking for pitchers they must come up with a higher value in most every case. Scherzer, Verlander, deGrom, Cole all lead in pay for a reason. BTV has Alcantara at 144, no Twins are at 40. Arraez is 26.6. I think the Marlins might consider a couple of players not on the 40 person roster, but would definitely need a current established and a MLB ready bat with some control. That means guys like Arraez, Miranda, Larnach, Kirillof, and Lewis with Kepler and Polanco as possible pieces. What would be the pieces that work in a Marlins-Twins trade?

I looked at that site as well...not great but gives you an idea.

It also comes down to how close a team is to winning. Miami is not. The NL east is loaded. Which is why, if they get the right deal, they might trade Alcantara...if they feel it will make their team better in long run.

Seattle isn't a power house, but a playoff contender for sure. Trading Julio wouldn't make sense in their case.

Angels tried with Trout, but never got close. How many playoff games has he even played? I live near LA and have a lot of friends who are Angel fans. I tell them they should trade Trout all the time.  Pisses them off but they know they're not winning until major changes are made.

[cmoss84]

2 minutes ago, cmoss84 said:

What would be the pieces that work in a Marlins-Twins trade?

More realistically I'm going after Luzardo. Polanco and Ober might be an overpay, but I'd do it. I like Arraez more than Polanco, but one of the 2.

[cmoss84]

32 minutes ago, Beast said:

Arraez is being overvalued, IMO.   Other teams scouts know his body is breaking down, can’t hit for power, can’t play defense, can’t run.

Why is his body breaking down?

Dude will be on the cheap for age 26, 27, and 28 seasons. .300 hitter would can be utility guy. There's value there.

[Dave Lemke]

Again Baseball Trade Values, which isnt perfect, but this is accepted there. Arraez and Kepler for Cabrera and Meyer.

[Malachi]

I kind of have that feeling of "The boys are back together" 

Like if you agree

[cmoss84]

2 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

Likely so. And likely worth it for 3 years of control for Gallen. If people want a #1, that’s the guy. 

Love Gallon. Not sure if he is a 1...if he isnt hes a really good 2. Who knows where Arizona is. They are really confusing. Maybe they want to rebuild and get out of Marte's contract also? Who knows.

Gallon and Marte for?

Arraez, Polanco, Larnach, Ober, and Kepler? 

 

[Vanimal46]

5 minutes ago, cmoss84 said:

Love Gallon. Not sure if he is a 1...if he isnt hes a really good 2. Who knows where Arizona is. They are really confusing. Maybe they want to rebuild and get out of Marte's contract also? Who knows.

Gallon and Marte for?

Arraez, Polanco, Larnach, Ober, and Kepler? 

 

Arizona is definitely confusing. Hard to compete in the AL West with San Diego and Dodgers throwing around silly money. They’ve got a pretty deep farm system but nothing really close to MLB ready. Their acquisition of Gabriel Montero could be considered both a win-now in 2023 and 2024+ foundation move. They signed Longoria who’s old as hell. I don’t get them. 

[Danchat]

4 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

Is this realistic - Arraez, Larnach, Kepler, Martin, Canterino, and Miller for Cabrera and Luzardo?

Martin, Canterino and Miller do not need to be placed on the 40 person roster yet.

Canterino is on our 40 man right now.

[brockbesler]

Twins get:

Luzardo

Soler

Marlins get:

Wallner or Kepler

Enlow

The Twins would pay all of Soler’s salary. It is relatively even on baseball trade values. 

[RaoulDuke]

I don't really want Lopez, pay the price to get someone with more upside locked in for longer. 

Arraez is the clearest fit for them so start there, love him but he is one dimensional and at peak value in what has suddenly become a crowded infield.  Add a LH corner outfield prospect Larnach/ Wallner/ Kirilloff?.  Then add a pitching prospect which is the hardest part to come by, does Balazovic still carry enough value?   Still probably takes another good prospect piece.

I do wonder if the Sale trade is slightly more possible now, Boston could sure use a Polanco/ Farmer/ Gordon type with Story going under the knife.

[tony&rodney]

7 minutes ago, Danchat said:

Canterino is on our 40 man right now.

Thanks. I caught that a minute after I hit submit. I had Raya in for Canterino previously and then changed it but forgot to edit.

[nicksaviking]

3 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

I know the focus is on the Marlins specifically in this thread. My thought is what are the Diamondbacks doing? What would it take to trade for Zac Gallen? 

Gallen would be fun.

The screaming in these forums about his damaged UCL would be less so.

[terrydactyls]

52 minutes ago, brockbesler said:

Twins get:

Luzardo

Soler

Marlins get:

Wallner or Kepler

Enlow

The Twins would pay all of Soler’s salary. It is relatively even on baseball trade values. 

Enlow was dfa'd January 6th.  Has he gotten through waivers unclaimed?  If so, did the Twins sign him to a MiLB contract?

[ashbury]

5 minutes ago, terrydactyls said:

Enlow was dfa'd January 6th.  Has he gotten through waivers unclaimed?  If so, did the Twins sign him to a MiLB contract?

DFA lasts 10 days, during which the team must trade or release or put on waivers (or other actions I can't think of). The waivers themselves last 3 days and must be completed within those 10 days, but we don't know yet if that process was begun. People have speculated he will be part of a trade package, in which case he's probably not on waivers at this time. It's a long time to wait and wonder.

[bap3141]

7 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

I know the focus is on the Marlins specifically in this thread. My thought is what are the Diamondbacks doing? What would it take to trade for Zac Gallen? 

Just as much as it would take, possibly more that it would take, to get Alcantara.  A year ago?  Maybe.  The secret is out on Gallen after his amazing season this past year.  He's an upper tire pitcher, just like Alcantara.