The Athletic: Carlos Correa, Twins accelerate talks as deal with Mets remains in limbo

[VivaBomboRivera!]

Full article here.

 

Discuss.

[AlwaysinModeration]

Define “accelerate.” 

[Squirrel]

2 minutes ago, VivaBomboRivera! said:

 

Discuss.

Is there anything else left to be said about this? But thanks for the link!

 

[Dave Overlund]

At this point I just assume every rumor has been planted by Boras in order to increase leverage to ultimately end up with the Mets. 

[VivaBomboRivera!]

2 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

But thanks for the link!

You're welcome!

 

(more love please?)

[CRF]

I agree...it's all a Boras game to get the Mets deal done. 

[TopGunn#22]

It's probably just Boras, I agree.  But I can see our hapless FO just coming to a dead stop until the "Correa situation resolves."  

[GP830]

I’m willing to believe that Heyman or Boudon’s reports could be Boras plants, though I’m skeptical. 
 

I refuse to believe that Dan Hayes or ken Rosenthal would be involved in that type of ploy. These are two of the best, most connected, and reliable.

[Dave Overlund]

5 minutes ago, GP830 said:

I refuse to believe that Dan Hayes or ken Rosenthal would be involved in that type of ploy. These are two of the best, most connected, and reliable.

I'll give ya Hayes as unlikely, you trust Rosenthal more than I do though. I would imagine that level of access involves some give and some take. 

The other interpretation would be that Boras truly is engaging the Twins, making the reporting fact, but the question then becomes the sincerity of Boras in those negotiations. 

Edited January 10, 2023 by Dave Overlund

[Dman]

Correa wants to be with the Mets that is why they exclusively negotiated with them the past two weeks or so.  The only other team seriously interested in Correa luckily for Boras is the Twins.  They have one known offer of 10\285 out there guaranteed and they don't seem as worried as the Mets about the Physical.  If the Mets don't want to reach that bar in guarantee's even if injury then maybe Correa moves on but most likely this is a leverage play to get the Mets to give more guaranteed money hard to say at this point as Boras gave NY a lot of time to get this done.

Have to believe the Mets are close to the Twins number in guaranteed money so guessing the Twins would have to move the bar a bit to come out on top?  Not sure how this is going to play out but it should be done soon as everyone seems to be tired of the drama on this deal.  There are only two players for Correa and final offers appear to be in so someone has to win.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

49 minutes ago, GP830 said:

I’m willing to believe that Heyman or Boudon’s reports could be Boras plants, though I’m skeptical. 
 

I refuse to believe that Dan Hayes or ken Rosenthal would be involved in that type of ploy. These are two of the best, most connected, and reliable.

Connected to whom? Their information has to come from somewhere and if it is planted, that doesn’t make Hayes or Rosenthal less credible.

[Doctor Gast]

As I've always said, Correa wants to be a Met but if Correa keeps playing this game , he'll find himself on the outside looking in again soon. And if that happen FO needs to find someone to finally help them put together a creative contract full of incentives.

[VivaBomboRivera!]

Phil Miller echoing this report in the Strib.

[Squirrel]

39 minutes ago, Dman said:

Correa wants to be with the Mets that is why they exclusively negotiated with them the past two weeks or so.  The only other team seriously interested in Correa luckily for Boras is the Twins.  They have one known offer of 10\285 out there guaranteed and they don't seem as worried as the Mets about the Physical.  If the Mets don't want to reach that bar in guarantee's even if injury then maybe Correa moves on but most likely this is a leverage play to get the Mets to give more guaranteed money hard to say at this point as Boras gave NY a lot of time to get this done.

Have to believe the Mets are close to the Twins number in guaranteed money so guessing the Twins would have to move the bar a bit to come out on top?  Not sure how this is going to play out but it should be done soon as everyone seems to be tired of the drama on this deal.  There are only two players for Correa and final offers appear to be in so someone has to win.

But if he really wants to be there, wouldn’t he have taken what they are offering already?

[sun]

I'd like to think that the if the Giants & Mets offers have done anything that it has helped the Twins. We don't know what kind of strategy is going on behind the scenes, but the lack of a final deal has not been to the benefit of the NL teams. The respective owners & front offices must be sending some kind of smoke signals to each other. "To stall" seems to be all that I can make out of these signals which could favor the Twins. After all, the Mets brought Correa's price down & closer to the Twins offer. Maybe Correa is more fed up with the Mets then we know about. It seems that the NL is trying to break down Correa's demands but will he give in?

[nicksaviking]

I don't think these leaks are coming from Boras, the Mets seem like they're inclined to walk away, Boras wouldn't want to give them a reason to.

If Correa is going to end up getting less than Bogaerts, I wonder if the Red Sox might jump back in the mix though.

[DJL44]

Does Dior have an after-Christmas clearance sale?

[NotAboutWinning]

I expect there are a lot of moving parts to a contract with the Twins...

- Twins need to cover any true medical issues

- Correa needs a deal that makes him the king of the off-season from his perspective

- Twins need to convince Correa that they intend to compete

- The offer needs to be insurable

- And there is the pesky reality of payroll 

 

 

 

[Squirrel]

4 minutes ago, NotAboutWinning said:

I expect there are a lot of moving parts to a contract with the Twins...

- Twins need to cover any true medical issues

- Correa needs a deal that makes him the king of the off-season from his perspective

- Twins need to convince Correa that they intend to compete

- The offer needs to be insurable

- And there is the pesky reality of payroll 

 

 

 

I don't think the payroll is an issue. We have room to spare and certainly Correa will no longer reach the $300million threshold of guaranteed money. I expect that no matter where he signs it will be front loaded and then incentive based and maybe a year or two of opt outs

[Dman]

37 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

But if he really wants to be there, wouldn’t he have taken what they are offering already?

He probably will but why not try to squeeze more out of them for guaranteed dollars?  Cohen will likely cave he has the money. If they get the AAV down to around 25M they can trade Esco that gives then 10M back so inserting Correa won't break the bank at 15M more to the payroll if they structure it right.

[Nashvilletwin]

7 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

I don't think the payroll is an issue. We have room to spare and certainly Correa will no longer reach the $300million threshold of guaranteed money. I expect that no matter where he signs it will be front loaded and then incentive based and maybe a year or two of opt outs

Agree 100%. Love to see 9/$240 with the first tree at 3/$105, the next three at 3/$75 and the last three at 3/$60.  Opt outs after years 2 and 5 (giving Correa 2/$70 and a chance to better the remaining 7/$170 at age 30 or 5/$165 and a chance to better the remaining 4/$75 at age 33). No trade clause thru year three.  

[Loosey]

Since the medical issue sound like they are concerns for teams in his later years.  I wonder if the Twins and Correa would be interested in an 8 year $230M deal.  That's $28+M AAV.  However, if I'm the Twins I would pay him $35M years 1-3 and then $25M years 4-8.  I would give Correa an opt out after year 3.  So if he is still performing he will be able to hit Free agency again after his age 30 season and look to make more than the $25M AAV he would be getting those last 5 years, which could be highly possible.  It's not what Correa's camp was expecting going into the offseason, but I don't think they were expecting 2 deals to fall through either.  

[NotAboutWinning]

1 hour ago, Squirrel said:

I don't think the payroll is an issue. We have room to spare and certainly Correa will no longer reach the $300million threshold of guaranteed money. I expect that no matter where he signs it will be front loaded and then incentive based and maybe a year or two of opt outs

I do think payroll becomes an issue if they intend to truly compete. That will take more parts than just Correa. I don't think he comes here for more than a year unless the Twins are willing to build out.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

4 hours ago, Squirrel said:

Is there anything else left to be said about this? But thanks for the link!

 

Probably? :-)

[clone52]

4 hours ago, AlwaysinModeration said:

Define “accelerate.” 

accelerate:  to increase in velocity.

[mnfireman]

I posted this the other day:

Posted Saturday at 06:59 PM

Go with the original 10/$285, but no opt-outs/player options. After 5 years, vesting/team options and/or performance based incentives could increase contract value, something along the lines of Buxton's. 

I don't think he wants player opt-outs, I think he wants guaranteed years/$$$, otherwise he goes through this circus after each opt out and he runs out of teams. Especially once he moves off of SS. I also think he and Boras are trying to avoid this type of contract (team options/performance based incentives).

 

 

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I apologize if someone else has brought this up in one of the other 874 (or so) threads and I missed it, and please speak up if so, but I noticed this was a vivabombo thread, so wanted to chime in here :)

The common narrative has been that two teams have passed on Correa after seeing the medical image of his lower right leg. But couldn’t we say that three teams have passed on Correa? What about Houston—couldn’t we say that the Astros passed on Houston as well when Correa entered free agency after 2021?

So I went back to google to see what Houston had offered Correa. Houston made Correa an offer before the lockout which Correa refused. The offer was 5/160. That’s a huge contract in terms of annual value, but not years.

So I wonder if we can conclude that Houston did not like that image either, and gave it 5 years max….

Edited January 10, 2023 by Hosken Bombo Disco
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[Hosken Bombo Disco]

So I wonder if we can conclude that Houston did not like that image of Correa’s injury either, and gave it 5 years max before it became too much of a concern. 

Subtracting the previous season when Correa was with the Twins, that would put the Houston contract at four more years from today.

If Correa returns to the Twins, that four years will be my gauge to whether it’s a contract favorable to the Twins. These are going to be tense negotiations, but if I were the Twins, I’d hold firm. The Twins absolutely will need the ability to get out from under this contract at some point, soon. 

I’m also concerned about the annual value being way too high, but that’s because I’m just not personally sold on Correa being a Top Ten MLB talent. But that’s just me and we can disagree on that. 

[DJL44]

2 minutes ago, Hosken Bombo Disco said:

I’m also concerned about the annual value being way too high, but that’s because I’m just not personally sold on Correa being a Top Ten MLB talent. But that’s just me and we can disagree on that. 

$28M is not Top Ten money.

[IA Bean Counter]

Ted quoted saying the offer was 9 years $275 million.  He removed that.  However the Twins have always been willing to do shorter contracts at a higher AAV that I believe the Mets were never able to do.  I do believe Correa wants a long term contract as I think he is concerned about his own health.  To me 240 mil to 250 mil while stating there will be no mitigating factors from the physical as long as he can pass it seems like a fair deal for 8-9 years.  The Twins may not even be interested in insuring the contract.