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Through all of these rumors and vast speculation, the one thing I've always wondered is why Correa almost didn't just jump at the Twins offer one the deal with the Giants fell through. And more of the same with the Mets. $285-295-300M, I mean over 10yrs it's a pittance per season. And unless the information we had is greatly outdated, he has an opt out after 3-4yrs. What better way to bet on himself?

1 hour ago, Trov said:

If he really is seeking the most money in his pocket, then going to Mets over Twins is wrong call.  Yes, the total in the contract was 30 mil more, but over 2 additional years, and with the taxes and cost of living, he would actually have more money in his pocket with the Twins. Most players do not look at those things though. 

That's one heck of an assumption. You don't think players have money managers, or agents, smart enough to point out the difference in cost of living or taxes between NY and Minneapolis? You don't think the MLBPA is smart enough to figure out that the taxes are different in different states and provide their members with information on how that all works? I'd be willing to bet a whole lot of money that Carlos Correa is well aware of what amount of money he'd actually see from the 12/315 and 10/285 offers based on taxes, cost of living, agent fees, union fees, etc. I bet he's also well aware of how much more he can make in NY on promotional deals outside of his contract. Most players absolutely do look at those things, and pay a whole team of people to make sure they are making the decision they want to make.

2 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I can't really say what I've been hearing but I'm personally becoming convinced this is actually going to happen.

Well two of the last three off seasons, in early December the Twins walked into their offices, which were fully ablaze and surrounded by an angry mob. They then exited the offices the following calendar year, somehow unscathed and holding a baby dragon as a shocking new prize.

4 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

That's one heck of an assumption. You don't think players have money managers, or agents, smart enough to point out the difference in cost of living or taxes between NY and Minneapolis? You don't think the MLBPA is smart enough to figure out that the taxes are different in different states and provide their members with information on how that all works? I'd be willing to bet a whole lot of money that Carlos Correa is well aware of what amount of money he'd actually see from the 12/315 and 10/285 offers based on taxes, cost of living, agent fees, union fees, etc. I bet he's also well aware of how much more he can make in NY on promotional deals outside of his contract. Most players absolutely do look at those things, and pay a whole team of people to make sure they are making the decision they want to make.

I agree Correa definitely knows, and if he doesn't Boras for sure does. I'm in the camp that believes in giving him the same type of contract as before, only increase the pay. How about 5 yrs $175 mil with opt outs after yr 3. That gives him top dollar(35 per), and guarentees the Twins 3 Yrs to bridge us til Lee, Lewis hopefully.

2 hours ago, Brandon said:

I wonder if MLB stepped in and said something to Cohen along the lines if teams lose revenue cause he signs all of the star players the league will suffer as a whole for it and he needs to let other teams sign a star player for that reason.  

If MLB did something like that and the player's found out...collusion

I'm not excited about this because I really want the Twins to shell out for Correa, I'm excited about this because I really want something to happen.

5 minutes ago, Chaz1966 said:

I agree Correa definitely knows, and if he doesn't Boras for sure does. I'm in the camp that believes in giving him the same type of contract as before, only increase the pay. How about 5 yrs $175 mil with opt outs after yr 3. That gives him top dollar(35 per), and guarentees the Twins 3 Yrs to bridge us til Lee, Lewis hopefully.

I'd also very much like a deal along these lines. I'd be willing to do the 10/285 if he were willing to put in language about the ankle in there that takes the Twins off the hook if it explodes in 4 years, or whatever, but I'd much prefer something along the lines of what you're suggesting.

 The Twins paid Joe Mauer 23m per year over a decade ago. It seemed scary. 28M twelve years later should be easy to stomach considering how inflation has hit the rest of the league.

And I’m not scared of the injury stuff. Has a MLB player retired due to arthritis since Sandy Koufax?

Folks are too worried about the money. It's TV money & revenue sharing money. The Twins need to spend it on someone and Correa may be the only one willing to come. I would like to see him play along with our improved core, Lewis, Polanco, Arraez, Miranda, & Buck. Plus others to be determined. The Twins realize that he'll bring in the fans. But Correa wants his long term guaranteed money. Ten years should be enough but if he'll sign for $300 mil for 10 or 11 years then get it done. Buck is the wild card regarding health, not Correa. Their 2 contracts will offset each other. 

3 hours ago, Nine of twelve said:

Weirder things have happened. Ever since the Mets started getting cold feet I started to entertain that glimmer in my mind. If the Twins do sign him (still a BIG BIG if) I expect all the people who bashed the front office for apparently letting him get away to apologize. It may turn out that Falvine were timid like a fox all along.

I haven't bashed them for letting him get away, but have bashed them for not knowing 285 wasn't enough to get him and missing on other guys while waiting for a deal they should know wasn't good enough. Them blindly, yes, blindly, falling into a 2nd Correa deal wouldn't change my mind on that, and I'd absolutely not change my tune on the offseason to this point or apologize. If he ends up here, it's not because the Twins were so smart to know that the Giants and Mets would both pass on deals significantly better than theirs. They simply would've lucked into it and that's not worthy of praise.

They’ve agreed!  The deal is for 20 years.  They just haven’t agreed on how much they are giving him per year.  The Twins say 10.5 per year, whereas Correa wants 30.5 per year.  But stay tuned, this should be wrapped up shortly.

3 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

I haven't bashed them for letting him get away, but have bashed them for not knowing 285 wasn't enough to get him and missing on other guys while waiting for a deal they should know wasn't good enough. Them blindly, yes, blindly, falling into a 2nd Correa deal wouldn't change my mind on that, and I'd absolutely not change my tune on the offseason to this point or apologize. If he ends up here, it's not because the Twins were so smart to know that the Giants and Mets would both pass on deals significantly better than theirs. They simply would've lucked into it and that's not worthy of praise.

If the Twins sign Correa, these are the options:

1. They're a blind squirrel that somehow always manages to find the nut
2. They have a very specific crystal ball that only shows them the near future of Carlos Correa (and maybe Laverne & Shirley re-runs)

There is no third option.

1 minute ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

If the Twins sign Correa, these are the options:

1. They're a blind squirrel that somehow always manages to find the nut
2. They have a very specific crystal ball that only shows them the near future of Carlos Correa (and maybe Laverne & Shirley re-runs)

There is no third option.

That sounds about right!

12 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

If the Twins sign Correa, these are the options:

1. They're a blind squirrel that somehow always manages to find the nut
2. They have a very specific crystal ball that only shows them the near future of Carlos Correa (and maybe Laverne & Shirley re-runs)

There is no third option.

What's the latest, Brock? Any more hopium before the end of the day here?

2 minutes ago, dbbright said:

What's the latest, Brock? Any more hopium before the end of the day here?

Haven't heard anything in hours. This isn't surprising, as we all know Carlos Correa only signs contracts between midnight and 4am.

Just now, Brock Beauchamp said:

Haven't heard anything in hours. This isn't surprising, as we all know Carlos Correa only signs contracts between midnight and 4am.

Good point. Guess I"ll have to plan for the worst and drink for the best tonight.

17 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Haven't heard anything in hours. This isn't surprising, as we all know Carlos Correa only signs contracts between midnight and 4am.

Agrees to terms between those hours. His signing hours are TBD.

Funny thing will be, if he does change course back to MN, based on the last two months, no one will believe it to be true until ink is on the paper.

28 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Agrees to terms between those hours. His signing hours are TBD.

Funny thing will be, if he does change course back to MN, based on the last two months, no one will believe it to be true until ink is on the paper.

I'm wondering if they sign before it's announced, or, they announce it just as they sign. That whatever medicals he has to go through will be done before anything gets said. IF ...

1 hour ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Haven't heard anything in hours. This isn't surprising, as we all know Carlos Correa only signs contracts between midnight and 4am.

Or sometimes not at all!

2 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

 The Twins paid Joe Mauer 23m per year over a decade ago. It seemed scary. 28M twelve years later should be easy to stomach considering how inflation has hit the rest of the league.

And I’m not scared of the injury stuff. Has a MLB player retired due to arthritis since Sandy Koufax?

I believe Albert Belle had an arthritic hip. 

1 hour ago, chpettit19 said:

I haven't bashed them for letting him get away, but have bashed them for not knowing 285 wasn't enough to get him and missing on other guys while waiting for a deal they should know wasn't good enough. Them blindly, yes, blindly, falling into a 2nd Correa deal wouldn't change my mind on that, and I'd absolutely not change my tune on the offseason to this point or apologize. If he ends up here, it's not because the Twins were so smart to know that the Giants and Mets would both pass on deals significantly better than theirs. They simply would've lucked into it and that's not worthy of praise.

Precisely. 

If we can sign Correa do we sign Bauer to a 720,000 contract with the rest paid by the Dodgers?  That would give us an ace pitcher....

6 hours ago, AlwaysinModeration said:

Which happens first?

Correa contract
House has speaker 

SOH

Personally, I am getting excited here.  I love Buxton but he is not reliable enough.  Correa would give the Twins a true superstar.  They haven't had one since Mauer and Morneau in their primes?  He can be the face of the organization.   Plus, he is a winner.  Maybe he can help us get over the playoff problems.  

7 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Yep, the Twins. I'm hearing somewhat vague details but my gut is saying the Twins land him. I keep hearing enough information to believe the biggest stumbling blocks have been cleared and they're down to arguing about dollars.

I hope so.  That would be an undertaker sitting up in the coffin moment for me, in regard to fan morale.

I don’t have sources.  But, my gut tells me the maximum we’ll get out of this is another media cycle praising them for finishing second in the bidding…again.

“Holy moly, they just offered the two biggest free agent contracts in team history in the same offseason….times are changing…again.  Revolutionary.  Knocking down paradigms like clay pigeons. nWo style hip-thrusts at anyone that says Pohlads are cheap.”

I can’t wait for the next scripted BSN Town Hall special where screened fans ask them pre-written questions about this. 

It's not MY money, but I would be on board with signing Correa.  3 years and $105 million, 10 years, $285-$300 million is O.K. for me.  He's a cornerstone player to build around.  I'd prefer the shorter deal to see whether Lewis could play SS but I'll take whatever comes of this.

12 hours ago, Beast said:

I hope so.  That would be an undertaker sitting up in the coffin moment for me, in regard to fan morale.

I don’t have sources.  But, my gut tells me the maximum we’ll get out of this is another media cycle praising them for finishing second in the bidding…again.

“Holy moly, they just offered the two biggest free agent contracts in team history in the same offseason….times are changing…again.  Revolutionary.  Knocking down paradigms like clay pigeons. nWo style hip-thrusts at anyone that says Pohlads are cheap.”

I can’t wait for the next scripted BSN Town Hall special where screened fans ask them pre-written questions about this. 

Oh if they miss on Correa yet again, they'll be skewered by the fanbase and I'd argue it's very well-deserved.

22 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Oh if they miss on Correa yet again, they'll be skewered by the fanbase and I'd argue it's very well-deserved.

So, you think the Twins are in the driver's seat here again? Because they seem squarely behind the Mets (still) despite the recent reports. Unless you're hearing otherwise?

Sign Correa to a 10 year 350 million contract with the Twins having the opt out option after year 3.

It would never happen and would love to see an agent dumb enough to give a team an opt out clause instead of the player getting it.  Of course Boras is no idiot and it will never happen.

It would be nice to give them a taste of their own medicine.