Eovaldi to the Rangers

[CRF]

There goes another one. 

[tony&rodney]

If the Twins have any plans to add a starting pitcher at all, I hope they consider trading for either Edward Cabrera and/or Pablo Lopez. Some do not like that Lopez has only two remaining years of control, so perhaps Cabrera should be the target. The Twins could potentially give Miami their pick of a Twins player from: Jeffers, Arraez, Miranda, Larnach, Wallner, or Kepler. A one for one trade. Cabrera has huge upside.

[mikelink45]

The Rangers moved - the Twins obsessed over a SS.  We lose again.

[Linus]

He has signed with the Rangers for 2 years $34 million.  Fricken $17 million a year for a starter that would jump to the top of our rotation. It’s just more of the same confounding obstinate decision making by our FO. I have no confidence they will ever put together consistently good pitching staffs. 
And I know about the injuries. He would fit right in with our pitching MO. 

[Mike Sixel]

38 minutes ago, Linus said:

He has signed with the Rangers for 2 years $34 million.  Fricken $17 million a year for a starter that would jump to the top of our rotation. It’s just more of the same confounding obstinate decision making by our FO. I have no confidence they will ever put together consistently good pitching staffs. 
And I know about the injuries. He would fit right in with our pitching MO. 

It's ownership. Every FO has operated the same. 

[HerbieFan]

Do we really think Eovaldi was going to come to Minnesota?  That said...for (very) roughly $50 million they theoretically could've have had Contreras, Bass and Eovaldi.  They were willing to spend roughly $45 mil on Correa and Vazquez so the money is comparable.  I would like this team a lot better with that trio.

[HerbieFan]

...sorry...Bassitt

[Mike Sixel]

I'd have gone 2/40 easy. But it's clear the owners are pocketing money this year without a trade for an expensive player. 

[D.C Twins]

One of the last players out there in FA that could have moved the needle.

Also, we have 3 SP hitting FA after this year.... so  the FO seems to be awfully confident in their pitching pipeline. 

Let's hope they're right, because if not, things are going to get ugly and fast. 

[Mike Sixel]

12 minutes ago, D.C Twins said:

One of the last players out there in FA that could have moved the needle.

Also, we have 3 SP hitting FA after this year.... so  the FO seems to be awfully confident in their pitching pipeline. 

Let's hope they're right, because if not, things are going to get ugly and fast. 

I'm sure Next Year they'll sign a big time free agent....... Not.

[old nurse]

Eovaldi, 12 seasons, 2 healthy. 10 not. Now he is well over 30. What am I missing that would indicate he is a solid starter. The Rangers are paying for a half season if Eovaldi is the pitcher some say he is. How many thousand comments were there about starters being injured in 2022. Be happy they did not add one more to the mix for the IL Last year was a mess with coming and going

[howeda7]

33 minutes ago, D.C Twins said:

One of the last players out there in FA that could have moved the needle.

Also, we have 3 SP hitting FA after this year.... so  the FO seems to be awfully confident in their pitching pipeline. 

Let's hope they're right, because if not, things are going to get ugly and fast. 

Hopefully this FO doesn't have to worry about 2024 because they'll be fired by by October 2023. 

[Linus]

1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

It's ownership. Every FO has operated the same. 

This is really the reality. Although with this payroll they have room to sign plenty of guys like this. 

[Linus]

13 minutes ago, old nurse said:

Eovaldi, 12 seasons, 2 healthy. 10 not. Now he is well over 30. What am I missing that would indicate he is a solid starter. The Rangers are paying for a half season if Eovaldi is the pitcher some say he is. How many thousand comments were there about starters being injured in 2022. Be happy they did not add one more to the mix for the IL Last year was a mess with coming and going

Sorry. Would you rather pay Eovaldi and take a chance or watch the Pohlad family add $34 million to their portfolio?  I know what I want - he is literally the last free agent starter that can make a difference. 

[old nurse]

4 minutes ago, Linus said:

Sorry. Would you rather pay Eovaldi and take a chance or watch the Pohlad family add $34 million to their portfolio?  I know what I want - he is literally the last free agent starter that can make a difference. 

It is not an either or situation.

[Linus]

9 minutes ago, old nurse said:

It is not an either or situation.

So you think they are spending that money on other pitching?  I’m not trying to be confrontational but want to know what you have in mind. 

[Parfigliano]

2 hours ago, Linus said:

He has signed with the Rangers for 2 years $34 million.  Fricken $17 million a year for a starter that would jump to the top of our rotation. It’s just more of the same confounding obstinate decision making by our FO. I have no confidence they will ever put together consistently good pitching staffs. 
And I know about the injuries. He would fit right in with our pitching MO. 

But they know how to build a pitching pipeline

[Mike Sixel]

25 minutes ago, old nurse said:

It is not an either or situation.

Who else is out there to sign that is better than what they have on the roster? 

[Nashvilletwin]

2 hours ago, HerbieFan said:

...sorry...Bassitt

No worries - we knew who you meant. Btw, add Gallo for $11MM to Correa and Vasquez and your point is even stronger…..

[HerbieFan]

19 minutes ago, Nashvilletwin said:

No worries - we knew who you meant. Btw, add Gallo for $11MM to Correa and Vasquez and your point is even stronger…..

Didn't include him b/c I don't think they bring him in if Correa doesn't leave?

[Mark G]

8 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

It's ownership. Every FO has operated the same. 

True; goes all the way back to '61 and Calvin.  From father to son to nephew, both in the Griffiths and the Pohlads, from Ryan to Falvine, what has ever truly changed about the direction of the franchise?  It has always been a business that needs to make a profit; hence the limits have always been the same.  

So, unless the Pohlad family changes direction, takes the lead along the lines of a Steve Cohen for example, handling the negotiations first hand and spending what it takes, (within in the boundaries of the market, of course) or steps aside and gives their GM free reign, with the authority and responsibility alike to build/buy a team, as the man once said: you do what you've always done, you're gonna get what you've always got.  But, as another wise man once said: the only thing worse than losing is.........not playing at all.  At least we have the team.  

[old nurse]

32 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Who else is out there to sign that is better than what they have on the roster? 

Eovaldi had one good year 2 years ago. Earlier in the thread it was about him being best pitcher. Now it is beat out number 5. Is Eovaldi better than developing one of Winder, SWR, Varland or any other prospect? Based on last year, what did he do to be even worth 16 million?  Regression to his mean says a better 2022 but fewer games.

9 hours ago, Linus said:

So you think they are spending that money on other pitching?  I’m not trying to be confrontational but want to know what you have in mind. 

Why would a pitcher come here? Last established pitcher to come here and get better was ?

[Nashvilletwin]

2 hours ago, old nurse said:

Eovaldi had one good year 2 years ago. Earlier in the thread it was about him being best pitcher. Now it is beat out number 5. Is Eovaldi better than developing one of Winder, SWR, Varland or any other prospect? Based on last year, what did he do to be even worth 16 million?  Regression to his mean says a better 2022 but fewer games.

Why would a pitcher come here? Last established pitcher to come here and get better was ?

Maeda did pretty well. But you’re point is a good one. Come here and you get five innings or two times through the order - whichever comes first. Not a good place to establish yourself as a top FA. Gray probably can’t wait to split.

Question: whether we want to or not, how many of Gray, Mahle and Maeda do we extend this season? Answer: zero.  If they pitch badly or are injury prone, we won’t want them. If they pitch well, they will want to go on to greener pastures. Either result is a failed strategy. 

[chpettit19]

13 hours ago, Linus said:

He has signed with the Rangers for 2 years $34 million.  Fricken $17 million a year for a starter that would jump to the top of our rotation. It’s just more of the same confounding obstinate decision making by our FO. I have no confidence they will ever put together consistently good pitching staffs. 
And I know about the injuries. He would fit right in with our pitching MO. 

So you're mad about the pitching MO of the FO. Admit this guy fits that MO you don't like. And you're mad they didn't sign him. Not sure I understand the argument there.

[Linus]

9 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

So you're mad about the pitching MO of the FO. Admit this guy fits that MO you don't like. And you're mad they didn't sign him. Not sure I understand the argument there.

It’s pretty easy to follow. They won’t spend money on pitching and it’s only the most important part of the game. 

[IA Bean Counter]

Eh,  I really don't see Eovaldi as a needle mover.  he strung together 3 good seasons with 1 great season last year.  If you remove the 2021 season and the 2019 year best and worst years he is essentially a 1.2 WAR player.  Plus you are giving up a draft pick as well.   We need to rebuild our farm depth after last year trading a lot away.   We have enough pitchers on the staff that can be 1 WAR players while not paying them 17 mil a year.  

[chpettit19]

1 hour ago, Linus said:

It’s pretty easy to follow. They won’t spend money on pitching and it’s only the most important part of the game. 

Except that isn't the MO you complained about. You complained about injuries.

"And I know about the injuries. He would fit right in with our pitching MO."

That's not easy to follow. You want them to sign a guy who's stayed healthy for 2 out of 11 seasons despite the fact that you're complaining about how many injured pitchers they bring in.

[JD-TWINS]

13 hours ago, HerbieFan said:

...sorry...Bassitt

Bassitt & Vazquez would have been fabulous!!

Eovaldi & Vazquez & Fulmer would have been fabulous!

How about Vazquez, Fulmer, & Hand or Britton or maybe Kluber - to get Maeda into PEN. THIS COULD STILL EASILY BE REALITY. Our staff would be DEEP!! Experienced guys in high leverage spots & a good catcher to pair with them.

Can trade Kepler - a pitching prospect like Sands - Winder - etc. ……along with Larnach or Walner………ALL 3 for one of the guys like López in a trade. Jeffers as one of 3 if he’s of interest. Can’t trade Arraez nat after losing Correa!

[Linus]

48 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Except that isn't the MO you complained about. You complained about injuries.

"And I know about the injuries. He would fit right in with our pitching MO."

That's not easy to follow. You want them to sign a guy who's stayed healthy for 2 out of 11 seasons despite the fact that you're complaining about how many injured pitchers they bring in.

Let me clarify. His injury history shouldn’t scare them because they have acquired pitchers with injury histories. 
I actually am not scared of pitchers with an injury history because they all have one. 

[chpettit19]

1 minute ago, Linus said:

Let me clarify. His injury history shouldn’t scare them because they have acquired pitchers with injury histories. 

I understand what you're saying. I'm saying it doesn't make sense. If you don't like their MO (bringing in injured pitchers), you shouldn't be upset that they didn't bring in Eovaldi. You can't have it both ways. You can't be mad that they've acquired pitchers with injury histories and then complain that they're dumb for not bringing in a pitcher with an injury history.

You called their decision making "obstinate." Again, you can't have it both ways. Either they're obstinate and don't change their MO (bringing in injured pitchers) or they weren't obstinate here and learned from previous mistakes and avoided the injury prone guy. They can't be both obstinate and change their ways.