Latest on Carlos Correa's Chaotic Free Agent Saga: Could the Twins Get Back In It?

[Oldgoat_MN]

Correa talked about a marriage. Would you marry someone with whom you were their 3rd or 4th choice? I think we move on. His commitment is to the money, not the team. Fine, but move on.

[Shs_2]

To sum all things up quickly

HELL NO !

[Fire Dan Gladden]

Really good article here talking about the potential long term impacts of Correa's health and what might be going on.
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-carlos-correa-ankle-contract-physical-20221229-2sldlmrspjbrznzpc4cuzgjlsy-story.html
Another plausible explanation as to why the Twins are holding firm on their 10 years 

[rationalfan]

On 12/27/2022 at 3:47 PM, se7799 said:

I just don't get fans not wanting to spend up.  Look..if the owners don't spend it, they are not going to mail you a check reflecting the money saved.  I understand the owners being hesitant..just not the fans.

I have this "debate" all the time with a friend. 

His perspective is a principled point of view/how things should be - the Twins ownership is worth billions and we as fans should put pressure on them to spend it, the most visible way of doing that is spending the money needed to land and keep stars. 

My perspective is pragmatic/how things are - the Twins are owned by a family that has owned for 40 years now and looks like many years into the future.  They have not and almost certainly will not intentionally run the team at a loss with the comfort of knowing it is worth more when/if they ever sell and it is doubtful they would all agree to run the team as a fan would without regard for the financial aspects. 

With that in mind, I focus on how the ~50% of revenue dedicated to player payroll should be spent...depth or stars? SP or hitting?  lock up home-grown future stars or bring in free agents?  try to create a team consistently in the mix or go all-in when things peak and then start all over when the opportunity has passed?  In this case, is spending 15-20% of the player payroll on one player with a 10 year guarantee the best way to construct the team?  I think without the MRI thing, its' a definite maybe.  His knee seems fine the last couple of years, he fits a position the team has not been able to fill internally, he's consistent, his game is not built on speed (which is the first skill to decline) and the roster has a lot of youth such that signing him doesn't create painful decisions in the near future (those decisions down the road would be a good "problem" to have).  I personally would prefer an ace starting pitcher - this rotation is filled with low-2, 3 and 4 starters.  The MRI thing suggests it may be a good thing he didn't take their offer - perhaps his knee is showing worrisome wear.  

What I need to say from Falvine is the development of pitching seen in Cleveland, keep trying to extend players as they've done with Polanco, Kepler, Dobnak, Buxton in trying to mimic Atlanta, and then supplement with the right trades and free agents.  That and I want that ~50% payroll thing to be an average, not a cap, meaning if they are below that during rebuilding then they are above it to keep a good team together.

[Craig Arko]

Fwiw, I’d rather the organization pour the unspent funds into the Twins Community Fund to provide assistance to needy youth in the area. They already make a good contribution but there’s always more to do.

[Mike Sixel]

9 minutes ago, Craig Arko said:

Fwiw, I’d rather the organization pour the unspent funds into the Twins Community Fund to provide assistance to needy youth in the area. They already make a good contribution but there’s always more to do.

Good one. Let me know when they do that with the millions they don't spend. 

[Brandon]

I still think adding an 11th year at 20 million is not too bad.  Inflation at 7% will half that in terms of value by then. If it gets the deal done…of course medical are the issue maybe make the last year contingent on one of a few scenarios 1.  Pass a physical. 2. Get 400 plate appearances in year 10 or 850 in years 9&10.  3.  Maybe have a 10 million buyout for the 11th year as well.  Adding an opt out after year 5 or 6 if we need to be creative.  

I do think the Twins can get back in this.  I think they should since they don’t really have a great option there.  If they sign him and a solid bullpen arm it would be a successful offseason for the Twins.  This would set the Twins up well in negotiations for the new TV contract.  Payroll needs to go up with 14 teams over 200 million in payroll.  We should at least be in the 160 million range.  

[dxpavelka]

Maybe he'd be happy to live vicariously thru the BIG contracts the AGREED to and actually SIGN the one that we offer(ed) him............

[dxpavelka]

On 12/29/2022 at 8:23 PM, Brandon said:

I still think adding an 11th year at 20 million is not too bad.  Inflation at 7% will half that in terms of value by then. If it gets the deal done…of course medical are the issue maybe make the last year contingent on one of a few scenarios 1.  Pass a physical. 2. Get 400 plate appearances in year 10 or 850 in years 9&10.  3.  Maybe have a 10 million buyout for the 11th year as well.  Adding an opt out after year 5 or 6 if we need to be creative.  

I do think the Twins can get back in this.  I think they should since they don’t really have a great option there.  If they sign him and a solid bullpen arm it would be a successful offseason for the Twins.  This would set the Twins up well in negotiations for the new TV contract.  Payroll needs to go up with 14 teams over 200 million in payroll.  We should at least be in the 160 million range.  

My original thought was that we should offer him $275 Million for 8 years.  When the Giants deal buckled my thought was that we should go to $313 Million for 11 years.  If the Mets deal doesn't go, maybe something like $294 Million for 10 years?

[dxpavelka]

On 12/29/2022 at 6:55 PM, Mike Sixel said:

Good one. Let me know when they do that with the millions they don't spend. 

Wonder if that would count towards the luxury tax.