Twins Need a Minnesota Miracle

[Major League Ready]

3 hours ago, rickyriolo said:

I would have paid extra to see an infield of Lee-Correa-Lewis. But now Miranda-Farmer-Polanco not so much 

By the time Lee and Lewis are regulars the infield most likely is made up of Kirilloff / Lee / Lewis and Miranda.  

[NotAboutWinning]

CC was never about take home pay. It was all about bragging rights on the biggest contract.

[Mike Sixel]

3 hours ago, roger said:

Got a question as I haven't dealt with multi-state tax returns for several decades.  In some states it used to be you filed and paid your tax in the other states.  Then you filed in your home state and paid tax on your entire income at their rate, but received a credit for the dollars paid to the other states.  So yes, it is complicated.  Maybe there are some tax guys on TD today that can clarify if this is still done and if so, in California?

That's correct, IIRC......

[USAFChief]

3 hours ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

Also Boras will most certainly be getting a percentage of the additional 65 million, so that further depletes Carlos' share that goes into his pocket. Plus the SF deal was for a longer period of time and we all know money today is worth more than the same amount of money tomorrow. 

Boros was getting the same percentage from any contract. Not a factor.

[KirbyDome89]

It's not halftime, the game is over. The FO can try to salvage this offseason and bring in talent via trade, but that will require parting with talent at the major league level, or from an already thin farm. There's no winning when you had ample $$ and passed on spending any of it on impact, or even solidly above average players. A team that claims to rely so heavily on developing talent continues to put themselves in a position where they have to trade prospects just to plug holes and tread water at the ML level. Make that make sense....

[Twinsoholic]

7 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

He didn’t sign because he & Boras can do math, and it wasn’t near the highest offer….$80 million light. I think it’s great we didn’t sign him!

$$ for RP…..$$ to re-sign Gray - Mahle - Maeda after May’s results……SIGN EOVALDI!

Why sign Eovaldi?  He averaged just over 5 innings per his 20 starts this past season. He turned down a qualifying offer. How much money should the Twins pay him per year in addition to surrendering a draft pick for signing him?  I hope the Twins do not sign him. He is not likely to markedly improve the team. 

[roger]

1 hour ago, nicksaviking said:

No doubt, but the Vikings seem to end up drafting more star players compared to the rest of their competitors than the Twins do compared to theirs.

True, Nick.

But it is a heck of a lot easier to draft a stud in football when they are 22 years old and you have watched them play for three or four years of college.  Compare that with drafting high school kids or even college, which is so inferior to the big leagues.

Most here probably aren't even aware but the first game late every summer was the college all-star team versus was it last year's champ?  And some of those were very competitive games.  Don't recall if the college kids ever won, but I am guessing they had a couple W's along the way.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

24 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Boros was getting the same percentage from any contract. Not a factor.

I did not realize that I assumed Boras charged a percentage of his client's contracts. My mistake. I apologize.

[roger]

25 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Boros was getting the same percentage from any contract. Not a factor.

Yes it is a factor, he gets x%, is it 4%, of the extra $65M, thus reducing the difference.  Although the good news is that should be tax deductible.  OK tax guys, under this newest code is it?  

[USAFChief]

1 minute ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

I did not realize that I assumed Boras charged a percentage of his client's contracts. My mistake. I apologize.

No, I mean he gets his (3% I think) on the entire contract. So he would have taken the same percentage from the Twins offer as the Giants. Correa will lose 3% of the extra $65m he got from the Giants, but that's better than not getting the extra $65m at all. 

[tarheeltwinsfan]

3 minutes ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

I did not realize that I assumed Boras charged a percentage of his client's contracts. My mistake. I apologize.

Wait a minute. I just read a Forbes magazine article which said Boras got 5% of his clients' contracts. What do you base your statement that Boras had a flat rate or that Boras did not make more money by getting Correa  $350,000,000 than Boras would have made ig Correa had signed for $285,000,000?

[tarheeltwinsfan]

1 minute ago, USAFChief said:

No, I mean he gets his (3% I think) on the entire contract. So he would have taken the same percentage from the Twins offer as the Giants. Correa will lose 3% of the extra $65m he got from the Giants, but that's better than not getting the extra $65m at all. 

5 % of $65,000,000 is $3,250,000. That is how much more Boras apparently got by Correa signing for $350,000,000 instead of $285,000,000. 

[USAFChief]

7 minutes ago, tarheeltwinsfan said:

Wait a minute. I just read a Forbes magazine article which said Boras got 5% of his clients' contracts. What do you base your statement that Boras had a flat rate or that Boras did not make more money by getting Correa  $350,000,000 than Boras would have made ig Correa had signed for $285,000,000?

I did not say flat rate.

 

I said the agent fee isn't a factor in which contract is worth more to Correa. Boros gets the same percentage rate no matter the contract. 5% on the $280m the Twins offered, 5% on the $350m.

 

Arguing Correa lost more in agent fees by getting a richer contract is the equivalent of saying he should have signed a one year contract at the MLB minimum. He'd save a ton of agent fees that way. 

[tarheeltwinsfan]

2 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

I did not say that. 

 

I said the agent fee isn't a factor in which contract is worth more.

It's OK. We're still good Chief. I admit I am shooting from the hip and am just really frustrated with the way this off season has gone for the Twins, except I'm pleased about Vasquez. Besides that, I really appreciate anyone who served in the USAF. 

[tony&rodney]

1 hour ago, Battle ur tail off said:

not sure what you are getting at?

The Twins allocate their money across 2-5 players instead of choosing to go in on the more sought after players. 

[gman]

I don't think the Twins need a miracle, unless you consider good health to be a miracle. Perhaps it is. I think Gallo was signed as an insurance policy in case one of Larnach, Kirilloff or Buxton are not ready in the spring. They may not be and the team will need some punch in the lineup. If everything works out well, maybe they can trade Gallo next July.

I would  work to sign Gray, Maeda or Mahli to extensions now. If they won't sign, I would seriously consider trading them before the next trading deadline. I would expect Mahli to get the larger extension due to age and ability. If we can't sign any of the top starters this off season, no reason to believe we can or will next off season.

I was never a Correa fan, so I an fine with Farmer playing SS until we have an internal replacement available. His numbers at ss both last season and career wise look pretty good. I am not sure why people are so down on him.

[Doctor Evil]

I'm not upset by Correa being gone. With him we are not playoff ready. Time to put faith in the pipeline which is far more entertaining than assuring we are a competitive team with wildcard hopes.

[notoriousgod71]

They already received their miracle. Somehow, despite their ineptness and self sabotage, a few people actually still care about this team.

[Maybebaby]

When I get lost in travels and take the wrong road,  most times I go back and find the correct route.  It looks like the Twins FO needs to do the same....You know the ol' GIGO theory.

 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

8 minutes ago, Maybebaby said:

When I get lost in travels and take the wrong road,  most times I go back and find the correct route.  It looks like the Twins FO needs to do the same....You know the ol' GIGO theory.

 

Welcome to TD

[rv78]

I would say everyone here cares about this team or we wouldn't be giving our undying opinions of how bad this team is run. I was not in the majority here that we should sign Correa. He didn't lead the Twins in any offensive catagory in 2022 which I feel a player demanding a superstar contract should be able to do. I'm glad they didn't sign him, however, as many here have suggested, once the FO saw what the other top FA were signing for they should have went to Plan B immediately and went after some of the other 2nd tier FA's that could have improved this team before they too were picked over. How well has their Plan of signing left-overs gone the past couple of years? How often do you have to be punched in the face before you change Plan A that doesn't work? Unless there is more tied to the Gallo signing that we don't know about how worthless is that signing when he is a Sano/Kepler clone? They were 2 of the biggest holes in the lineup the last 2 years and we have a Manager that slotted them into the middle of the lineup where they proved to be more inept than a NIck Gordon/utility player? It seriously looks to me like the fans need to completely stop going to Target Field to send a bigger message. Evidently the FO and Dave St Peter didn't get enough of it yet from the lower attendance in 2022. 

[Battle ur tail off]

17 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

The Twins allocate their money across 2-5 players instead of choosing to go in on the more sought after players. 

Yep, and that is something I would try the other way once to see if it works. Obviously what they have been doing, doesn't.