The Carlos Correa Question

[VivaBomboRivera!]

  On 12/16/2022 at 1:27 AM, tony&rodney said:

Again, the Giants are arguably the best run team in baseball going back 25 years or even 125 years. They paid for their own stadium, treat everyone respectfully, and stay competitive. They won 3 World Series this century, make money, and have a strong fan base. Ok, you don't like Correa and/or the contract he signed, but ludicrous to impugn the Giants.

Expand  

Nobody said that the Giants aren't a well-run ball club with a history they should be proud of.  Some of us are saying that the kinds of contracts that pay players superstar salaries long after they produce like superstars, while making sense on an accounting level, is generally not good for ball clubs and not good for the sport. Why?  Because it distorts player value and warps the market.

  On 12/16/2022 at 1:27 AM, tony&rodney said:

lucky enough to attend the 1987 Series

Expand  

Didn't I see you at Game 6, Bro?  Section 203, Row 10?  ;-)

[Mike Sixel]

  On 12/16/2022 at 2:20 AM, VivaBomboRivera! said:

Nobody said that the Giants aren't a well-run ball club with a history they should be proud of.  Some of us are saying that the kinds of contracts that pay players superstar salaries long after they produce like superstars, while making sense on an accounting level, is generally not good for ball clubs and not good for the sport. Why?  Because it distorts player value and warps the market.

Didn't I see you at Game 6, Bro?  Section 203, Row 10?  ;-)

Expand  

That is the value. That is the market. It distorts nothing. Look at the deals this year. 

[tony&rodney]

  On 12/16/2022 at 2:20 AM, VivaBomboRivera! said:

Didn't I see you at Game 6, Bro?  Section 203, Row 10?  ;-)

Expand  

I know you are being funny but I sat in Row 5, 3rd base side next to Lou Brock. Look him up.

Hey, on a side note I played against Bombo Rivera quite a few times (30+ Mens Baseball). He was a fun guy.

[VivaBomboRivera!]

  On 12/16/2022 at 2:33 AM, tony&rodney said:

I know you are being funny but I sat in Row 5, 3rd base side next to Lou Brock. Look him up.

Expand  

Lucky man!  I really was up in 203.  Cheers!

  On 12/16/2022 at 2:33 AM, tony&rodney said:

Hey, on a side note I played against Bombo Rivera quite a few times (30+ Mens Baseball). He was a fun guy.

Expand  

Lucky man twice.  Best student senator the University of Minnesota never had.

[VivaBomboRivera!]

  On 12/16/2022 at 2:33 AM, Mike Sixel said:

That is the value. That is the market. It distorts nothing. Look at the deals this year.

Expand  

Nobody doubts that the figures aren't real, and this is indeed the market.  Markets can be sick, and this market is sick.

[USAFChief]

  On 12/16/2022 at 2:41 AM, VivaBomboRivera! said:

Nobody doubts that the figures aren't real, and this is indeed the market.  Markets can be sick, and this market is sick.

Expand  

I agree. I'd like to see a busted union, revenue sharing, and hard salary floors/caps.

 

I'd also like it if Santa Claus was real.

 

I doubt any of those things come true in my lifetime, and I KNOW they aren't coming true this off season.

[Mike Sixel]

  On 12/16/2022 at 4:57 AM, USAFChief said:

I agree. I'd like to see a busted union, revenue sharing, and hard salary floors/caps.

 

I'd also like it if Santa Claus was real.

 

I doubt any of those things come true in my lifetime, and I KNOW they aren't coming true this off season.

Expand  

You want players to get less money and have no freedom to choose their employer? Ugh. Unreal.

[USAFChief]

  On 12/16/2022 at 5:22 AM, Mike Sixel said:

You want players to get less money and have no freedom to choose their employer? Ugh. Unreal.

Expand  

I didn't say either of those things. A much flatter pay scale would benefit way more players than the current "stars and scrubs" model, and coupled with a floor/cap and revenue sharing would remove much of the financial disparity currently in the game. In my perfect world rookies make 1/3 as much as Aaron Judge, not 1/40th.

I'd rather see teams get rewarded more for savvy scouting and development than the size of their bank account. And I'd force cheap owners to spend that revenue sharing as well. Overall salary expenses would be similar.

I do think less player movement would be good for the sport. Eff the players on that front. 

[Mike Sixel]

  On 12/16/2022 at 5:32 AM, USAFChief said:

I didn't say either of those things. A much flatter pay scale would benefit way more players than the current "stars and scrubs" model, and coupled with a floor/cap and revenue sharing would remove much of the financial disparity currently in the game. In my perfect world rookies make 1/3 as much as Aaron Judge, not 1/40th.

I'd rather see teams get rewarded more for savvy scouting and development than the size of their bank account. And I'd force cheap owners to spend that revenue sharing as well. Overall salary expenses would be similar.

I do think less player movement would be good for the sport. Eff the players on that front. 

Expand  

Ya. Ef humans for wanting to choose who they work for. 

A salary cap is not going to increase pay. I would like to see the minimum a lot higher.

[VivaBomboRivera!]

  On 12/16/2022 at 5:32 AM, USAFChief said:

I didn't say either of those things. A much flatter pay scale would benefit way more players than the current "stars and scrubs" model, and coupled with a floor/cap and revenue sharing would remove much of the financial disparity currently in the game. In my perfect world rookies make 1/3 as much as Aaron Judge, not 1/40th.

I'd rather see teams get rewarded more for savvy scouting and development than the size of their bank account. And I'd force cheap owners to spend that revenue sharing as well. Overall salary expenses would be similar.

I do think less player movement would be good for the sport. Eff the players on that front. 

Expand  

So in fairness, there is still room for a players union in your universe, correct?

:-)

[VivaBomboRivera!]

From the New York Times:

Will You Still Need Them, Will You Still Play Them, When They’re 41?


 

Grist for the mill...

[twinssporto]

  On 12/15/2022 at 6:13 PM, Mike Sixel said:

Saved me the time of doing this myself. 

Expand  

Me too! Great article and so true.

It sounds crazy but the old adage of going up to your eyeballs in debt during high inflation is a good way to take advantage of inflation. 

Thanks for sharing that link!

[USAFChief]

  On 12/16/2022 at 6:08 AM, VivaBomboRivera! said:

So in fairness, there is still room for a players union in your universe, correct?

:-)

Expand  

Yes, with all the power and influence of the NFLPA.

[ashbury]

  On 12/16/2022 at 5:32 AM, USAFChief said:

 In my perfect world rookies make 1/3 as much as Aaron Judge, not 1/40th.

Expand  

Aaron Judge may have put 40X more butts in seats than Oswaldo Cabrera did this season, though. Especially on the road.