Rumor: Gleeman Reports Twins Have Made Correa Substantial Offer

[CRF]

Happened to see this... in a recent article, Aaron Gleeman of The Athletic, The Twins have offered Correa "a massive contract far beyond anything in franchise history". No specifics yet as to what that offer entails. 

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[Richie the Rally Goat]

So vague… I’m so curious!

[Squirrel]

Oooh ... Christmas is coming ... 

[Blyleven2011]

We should move on from Correa , winter meetings should of been the  deadline ...

Need a catcher  , go get one  ...

Trade kepler , get it done ....

2022 and 2021 weren't exciting twins baseball  , help is needed to bring back an exciting product on the field  , coaching needs to get it in gear and inspire the troops  ....

[JD-TWINS]

3 minutes ago, Blyleven2011 said:

We should move on from Correa , winter meetings should of been the  deadline ...

Need a catcher  , go get one  ...

Trade kepler , get it done ....

2022 and 2021 weren't exciting twins baseball  , help is needed to bring back an exciting product on the field  , coaching needs to get it in gear and inspire the troops  ....

Don’t understand the logic with Correa? If we didn’t draw last year with him, that can’t be good reasoning going forward. If team isn’t extremely successful, Correa will be the “hated, greedy SOB” that sunk our payroll & FO will be run out of town!

We want to develop players internally and we have 3 solid SS prospects in farm system. If Farmer plays well, Lewis is an option as back-up in CF & starter in LF.

Spend the $ on a Catcher, a Starter, & decent reliever, if available. With a solid starter we can drop Maeda into pen for experienced, quality depth!!

[nicksaviking]

12 minutes ago, Blyleven2011 said:

We should move on from Correa , winter meetings should of been the  deadline ...

Need a catcher  , go get one  ...

Trade kepler , get it done ....

2022 and 2021 weren't exciting twins baseball  , help is needed to bring back an exciting product on the field  , coaching needs to get it in gear and inspire the troops  ....

I can't say I tend to associate 'catcher' with 'exciting product'.

Shortstops on the other hand.....

[chpettit19]

21 minutes ago, Blyleven2011 said:

We should move on from Correa , winter meetings should of been the  deadline ...

Need a catcher  , go get one  ...

Trade kepler , get it done ....

2022 and 2021 weren't exciting twins baseball  , help is needed to bring back an exciting product on the field  , coaching needs to get it in gear and inspire the troops  ....

Why do you assume they aren't attempting to get a catcher or trade Kepler while also negotiating with Correa? There's already multiple reports that they've offered Christian Vazquez a contract. Many reports about talks with multiple teams on trades of multiple players. They don't need to draw a deadline on Correa to make other deals. They can work on multiple things at once.

[Vanimal46]

10 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

I can't say I tend to associate 'catcher' with 'exciting product'.

Shortstops on the other hand.....

Pictured: The Ryan Jeffers fan club that purchased season tickets solely for him 

[Dave The Dastardly]

Greg Gagne wasn't overly exciting, but we still managed to win.

[Bigfork Twins Guy]

9 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Why do you assume they aren't attempting to get a catcher or trade Kepler while also negotiating with Correa? There's already multiple reports that they've offered Christian Vazquez a contract. Many reports about talks with multiple teams on trades of multiple players. They don't need to draw a deadline on Correa to make other deals. They can work on multiple things at once.

I respectfully disagree.  Yeah, they offered Vazquez a contract but I suspect it was a low ball number assuming that they have to pay CC millions.  If they give CC a deadline and he moves on from the Twins, then they can bring their offer to Vazquez up to a more appropriate level.  It's just like our home budget.  If we purchase a new furnace, then we probably cannot upgrade our car.  I.e. one decision impacts the other decisions is all that I am saying.  They are not done independently of each other when there is limited resources available.

[Thebigalguy]

If CC is sincere in his interest in the Ts, then I'm all for working with Boras until he signs or goes elsewhere. My fear is that Boras could use T interest to jack up CC's price with other teams who spend this kind of money as a regular strategy and will beat the Ts all to heck in a bidding war.

[D.C Twins]

Unfortunately, comparing the contract offer to historical Twins contract offers does not matter

The only comparison that matters is the contract offer to other existing contract offers for Correa....

A valiant PR effort though (We reeeeeaaaaaaaly tried this time!)

 

[chpettit19]

19 minutes ago, Bigfork Twins Guy said:

I respectfully disagree.  Yeah, they offered Vazquez a contract but I suspect it was a low ball number assuming that they have to pay CC millions.  If they give CC a deadline and he moves on from the Twins, then they can bring their offer to Vazquez up to a more appropriate level.  It's just like our home budget.  If we purchase a new furnace, then we probably cannot upgrade our car.  I.e. one decision impacts the other decisions is all that I am saying.  They are not done independently of each other when there is limited resources available.

The Twins have numbers they're willing to go to on everyone they're interested in. They know which ones they can fit into their budget in what combination. They are pretty notorious for not going above their number on guys. Especially someone like Vazquez. They wouldn't overpay for him even if they weren't in on Correa. There's no reason to assume they were significantly under market on Vazquez. What do you base your assumption that "it was a low ball number" and not at an "appropriate level" on? 

The house analogy is missing a lot of context. Were the furnace and car upgrade planned purchases with in depth pricing done to have a good estimation of what each would cost, or at least what you're willing to pay for each? Cuz the Twins, and every team, have done that math. The Twins aren't suddenly going to offer Vazquez twice as much because they miss on Correa. They know what they feel his worth is and the max they'll go for him. They know that max fits next to the max they'll go for Correa. The decisions weren't made independently, but the math doesn't change anymore. If either market goes above their already determined maxes they walk away.

[East Coast Twin]

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Happened to see this...according to Aaron Gleeman of The Athletic, The Twins have offered Correa "a massive contract far beyond anything in franchise history". No specifics yet as to what that offer entails. 

Is this referring to this morning's article in the Atlantic?  I don't have a subscription, but from the title it appears to be a recap of the winter meetings.   It doesn't seem like Aaron Gleeman is breaking news with a report of a new offer. 

[CRF]

5 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

The Twins have numbers they're willing to go to on everyone they're interested in. They know which ones they can fit into their budget in what combination. They are pretty notorious for not going above their number on guys. Especially someone like Vazquez. They wouldn't overpay for him even if they weren't in on Correa. There's no reason to assume they were significantly under market on Vazquez. What do you base your assumption that "it was a low ball number" and not at an "appropriate level" on? 

The house analogy is missing a lot of context. Were the furnace and car upgrade planned purchases with in depth pricing done to have a good estimation of what each would cost, or at least what you're willing to pay for each? Cuz the Twins, and every team, have done that math. The Twins aren't suddenly going to offer Vazquez twice as much because they miss on Correa. They know what they feel his worth and the max they'll go for him. They know that max fits next to the max they'll go for Correa. The decisions weren't made independently, but the math doesn't change anymore. If either market goes above their already determined maxes they walk away.

You're absolutely 100% correct and I agree completely. That's the way the Twins do business. Imo, the thing/problem is...there's always going to be a team, and possibly several teams, that ARE willing to overpay for a player. Sometimes you have to be willing to do that, to get what you want. The Twins need to be flexible enough to make an exception, when the situation dictates it. I'm not saying that they should way overpay for Correa, or Vasquez, or whomever...just that they need to consider doing that, rather than having a flat, cutoff dollar figure.

[chpettit19]

14 minutes ago, CRF said:

You're absolutely 100% correct and I agree completely. That's the way the Twins do business. Imo, the thing/problem is...there's always going to be a team, and possibly several teams, that ARE willing to overpay for a player. Sometimes you have to be willing to do that, to get what you want. The Twins need to be flexible enough to make an exception, when the situation dictates it. I'm not saying that they should way overpay for Correa, or Vasquez, or whomever...just that they need to consider doing that, rather than having a flat, cutoff dollar figure.

Or they need to adjust their math and be better at predicting what it will take to get guys and not waste time on guys who's market they won't be willing to pay up to. Every team reaches a cutoff point on every player eventually. The question is how high your cutoff point is. The Twins sometimes feel like they drastically underestimate player's markets.

[DJL44]

1 hour ago, Bigfork Twins Guy said:

I respectfully disagree.  Yeah, they offered Vazquez a contract but I suspect it was a low ball number assuming that they have to pay CC millions.  

I think Vazquez might be holding out to see if the Twins get Correa signed. He wants to play for a contender. If the Twins DON'T sign Correa he is likely to head elsewhere.

[AaronRendahl]

1 hour ago, East Coast Twin said:

Is this referring to this morning's article in the Atlantic?  I don't have a subscription, but from the title it appears to be a recap of the winter meetings.   It doesn't seem like Aaron Gleeman is breaking news with a report of a new offer. 

I have a subscription to The Athletic (assuming Atlantic was a typo) and you're absolutely right, it's just a recap of the winter meetings and there's nothing new here.

[Mike Sixel]

10 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

I think Vazquez might be holding out to see if the Twins get Correa signed. He wants to play for a contender. If the Twins DON'T sign Correa he is likely to head elsewhere.

This likely is true.

[chpettit19]

32 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

I think Vazquez might be holding out to see if the Twins get Correa signed. He wants to play for a contender. If the Twins DON'T sign Correa he is likely to head elsewhere.

From what I've read he's looking for a starting role. Part of the hold up is likely also how much time they're willing to promise him. Rumors are that he doesn't want a "time share" like the Twins prefer, but wants a 3+ year deal where he's the clear cut starter and gets to catch as much as he can handle. But Correa signing would certainly also help.

[SwainZag]

35 minutes ago, DJL44 said:

I think Vazquez might be holding out to see if the Twins get Correa signed. He wants to play for a contender. If the Twins DON'T sign Correa he is likely to head elsewhere.

I doubt he is hinging his entire decision on the signing of one player.  Could be a small factor, but I would think his camping is hoping a team adds on a 4th year, or an opt out.  Not all FAs are in a hurry to sign.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

2 hours ago, Thebigalguy said:

If CC is sincere in his interest in the Ts, then I'm all for working with Boras until he signs or goes elsewhere. My fear is that Boras could use T interest to jack up CC's price with other teams who spend this kind of money as a regular strategy and will beat the Ts all to heck in a bidding war.

Yep, that seems to be the case here.

[LA VIkes Fan]

1 hour ago, AaronRendahl said:

I have a subscription to The Athletic (assuming Atlantic was a typo) and you're absolutely right, it's just a recap of the winter meetings and there's nothing new here.

 

1 hour ago, DJL44 said:

I think Vazquez might be holding out to see if the Twins get Correa signed. He wants to play for a contender. If the Twins DON'T sign Correa he is likely to head elsewhere.

And vice versa. Both have said that they want to play for a consistent contender. That is not the Twins as presently configured. That could be the Twins with Correa, Vazquez, PLUS a strong SP and some BP help. My guess is that both are waiting to see what else the club does before seriously considering the Twins as their destination. Let's face it, they both have time to wait. Then we can get the issue of that 4th year for Vazquez or 10th for Correa. 

[IA Bean Counter]

The Twins have a contract offer of 285 million for 10 years.  This has been reported by a couple people.  Based on that information,  the Twins have the best offer currently on the table.  The only interested party at this point that could be willing to outbid is the Giants.   However if they were willing to outbid, I thought they would have done it by now.  Boras has a history of going directly to the owners to try to increase the contract,  I don't think that will work with the Twins.  It could possibly work with the Giants or another team that were to get involved.  I think the Twins feel comfortable waiting this out right now.  I could see Correa signing a 4 to 6 year contract with opt outs and trying again,  but it is fairly clear his past history is limiting the number of teams interested in him.  He has stated he prefers a long term contract.  When you knock out the Dodgers, Houston, Red Sox and Yankees,  and the Padres are willing to get Bogaerts instead of you,  that really limits the teams willing to spend big on you.  Just think where he would be at if the Twins weren't willing to go big,  225-250mil maybe???   

[KirbyDome89]

1 hour ago, SwainZag said:

I doubt he is hinging his entire decision on the signing of one player.  Could be a small factor, but I would think his camping is hoping a team adds on a 4th year, or an opt out.  Not all FAs are in a hurry to sign.

Likely very small, to the point it's almost nonexistent. It's pretty clear Vasquez doesn't want to be in a relatively even timeshare, and that's the approach the Twins have steered towards.

Money, years, and in this case playing time rule the day. If Miami decided to grant him all three wishes he'd be a Marlin today. That's how this works. 

[KirbyDome89]

32 minutes ago, IA Bean Counter said:

The Twins have a contract offer of 285 million for 10 years.  This has been reported by a couple people.  Based on that information,  the Twins have the best offer currently on the table.  The only interested party at this point that could be willing to outbid is the Giants.   However if they were willing to outbid, I thought they would have done it by now.  Boras has a history of going directly to the owners to try to increase the contract,  I don't think that will work with the Twins.  It could possibly work with the Giants or another team that were to get involved.  I think the Twins feel comfortable waiting this out right now.  I could see Correa signing a 4 to 6 year contract with opt outs and trying again,  but it is fairly clear his past history is limiting the number of teams interested in him.  He has stated he prefers a long term contract.  When you knock out the Dodgers, Houston, Red Sox and Yankees,  and the Padres are willing to get Bogaerts instead of you,  that really limits the teams willing to spend big on you.  Just think where he would be at if the Twins weren't willing to go big,  225-250mil maybe???   

You think the Twins are artificially raising the ceiling on Correa!? 

[IA Bean Counter]

17 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

You think the Twins are artificially raising the ceiling on Correa!? 

I think the Twins are putting out an offer that they think Correa is willing to sign.  I think there is a possibility they are 25 to 30 million over the current market for Correa right now.  Maybe I am wrong, but the Twins are currently the highest offer right now.  

[ashbury]

This leak is only for plausible deniability for later, when they need to say, We Tried™.

The tipoff, and this has already been mentioned, is the phrase "far beyond anything in franchise history." The leak comes from the Twins side, not the Boras/Correa camp.

I'll be happy to eat crow on this if Correa does sign.

[IA Bean Counter]

Ashbury,  they may be trying to let fans know they have the offer out there.  They may start to pressure Boras and Correa and tell them they will take the offer off the table.  There is no rumors anyone is offering more right now.  

[KirbyDome89]

27 minutes ago, IA Bean Counter said:

I think the Twins are putting out an offer that they think Correa is willing to sign.  I think there is a possibility they are 25 to 30 million over the current market for Correa right now.  Maybe I am wrong, but the Twins are currently the highest offer right now.  

What's more likely, the Twins are bidding against themselves and Boras (and the baseball world) has been playing them this entire time, or MN isn't alone in committing the type of money reported, i.e. they aren't setting the market?