Rumor: Twins meeting with Correa and willing to offer 10 year deal with multiple opt outs

[bap3141]

18 minutes ago, Trov said:

On thing to note about Kirby, is that was back when no top stars left, because the league had the wink wink we will not outbid you for your star and keep the salaries low.  That is why there was the 95 strike because teams were not offering much to big name FA.  Sure some would jump ship around then, Bonds, who went to his home town, or guys at ends of careers when other teams were done with them. 

This is a top guy in a market where guys keep moving.  

The Red Sox did offer more to Kirby than the Twins and the Phillies were very interested.  Bonds and Maddux also signed that off-season with different teams and the Yankees were in on both -- until the 11th hour with Bonds.

 

I know things were a little different back then but we did see a lot of movement of big names starting in the early 1990's - Strawberry, Bonilla, Bonds, Maddux, Gaetti (ha!), Murray, etc.  I do agree that Correa is a top guy on a market where players are constantly moving -- which is why I really like the idea of signing Correa, as much as the player itself.  I just want to see this team lock up a big name to show that it can be done.  And Correa is the right guy to do it with, in my opinion.  

[Mike Sixel]

28 minutes ago, PDX Twin said:

"At the moment" is the most important phrase here. Our three best non-pitcher prospects are all shortstops, This is only a position of weakness for a few months or perhaps one season if at least one of them pans out.

Are we really that all-in on 2023 that we want to commit debilitating (for future years' budgets) money for this year? If last season showed us anything it is that this team is NOT a Carlos Correa away from being a contender.

I'd 100% rather sign Correa and deal Marin or Lewis or Lee (and whatever) for pitching. Since there is only one great FA pitcher left.....that seems like a much better use of resources. 

[Minfidel]

2 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Trea Turner to the Phillies. I do not know if this is good or bad for the Twins with Correa.

 

Well, it's a 10+ year contract - so if anyone was hoping there might be an opportunity for a shorter-term deal, that's pretty much out the window. (That window probably never existed.)

[Paul Walerius]

What if the Twins just give him the Bobby Bonilla deal?   Pay him 1 Million for the next 400 years.

[TeJayDubz]

8 hours ago, Muppet said:

Yeah, falling off the cliff isn't inevitable. I'm just worried that if he keeps it up, he'll just jettison the Twins for a better deal in 2-3 years. If he DOES start to drop off, we're stuck with him. Don't get me wrong. He's a great player and I hope he stays with the Twins... but I do think he's a tad overrated, but still a great player. 

There's definitely a strong possibility if we snag him with an opt-out laden package again that he'll leave after the first opt out if he's raking. I'm personally okay with that for three reasons.

1. Get his salary off the books to transition towards other signings, or extensions.

2. If he opts out so early, it's more than likely it's because he was absolutely raking for the Twins, and he thinks he can get even more going back to FA.

3. Theoretically, Lewis, and/or Lee should be contributing at the MLB level and could potentially swap over. This one is a big what if, but I'm a believer in both of them to come up and doing well in the coming years.

I think in today's market you're almost always going to end up overpaying for a top tier FA unless their name is Mike Trout. With that I 100% agree with you, I just think that's just what it takes to get these big pieces in the door for any organization, let alone little ol' MN. I guess you can't have your cake, and eat it too. ?

[dxpavelka]

9 hours ago, Muppet said:

How does a 10 year deal with a no trade clause and multiple opt-outs make any sense for the Twins. If Correa does really well, every few years he can go back and demand more money elsewhere. If he lays an egg and starts hitting in the low .200s, we are bound to pay him 30+ million per year. He is already only a borderline great player. He could easily go either way. 

Borderline great is still great.  Which means he's better than anyone in a Twins uniform that doesn't wear # 25.  I actually don't mind the opt outs--IF one of Lewis, Lee or Martin pans out as a big league SS, Correa opts out and we wish him well. 

[AlwaysinModeration]

14 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

The first five years: $25MM
The next five years: $20MM
The next ten years (you know, dead money): $10-12 MM

If they offer him a 20 year deal, the last ten could literally be dead money.

[Trov]

16 hours ago, Minfidel said:

Well, it's a 10+ year contract - so if anyone was hoping there might be an opportunity for a shorter-term deal, that's pretty much out the window. (That window probably never existed.)

I do not know if is plus ten because of Turner.  Turner took more years at less per year than many expected.  Will Correa want more overall money, or more per year?  I agree 10 is most likely the number, and maybe some teams will go longer, but if it goes longer, my guess their per year number will be less.  Remember Soto turned down a 14 year deal that would have set the all time overall value, but he turned it down saying his per year is not that of the other top paid guys.  None of know what CC is thinking, and the next few days to weeks will be a ton of rumors and speculation. 

[Dave The Dastardly]

Ten year deal for hundreds of millions with multiple player opt out options? You call that a "contract"? It's a rental at best.

[IA Bean Counter]

So here is what I see so far on who is interested and the current landscape for shortstops.  

1. I did not like seeing Turner go to Philly I was hoping Dodgers would resign and Philly would go with their prospect.  

2. Dodgers and Yankees don't appear to be current suitors for Correa.  That is interesting,  but it appears 2017 is still tainting him to those 2 organizations. Dodgers have had contact with Correa, but so far doesn't appear to be serious. 

3.  The Cubs and Giants appear to be the biggest competition at this point.   Correa is the backup plan if the Giants cannot sign Aaron Judge,  but with Judge flying to California and not notifying the Yankees the scales are tipping to the Giants getting their #1 priority.  

4.  That likely leaves a Cubs and Twins showdown for Correa.  It avoids multiple teams bidding on him,  and gives a better possibility that he might take slightly less money to stay with his current team.  

[JD-TWINS]

18 hours ago, PDX Twin said:

"At the moment" is the most important phrase here. Our three best non-pitcher prospects are all shortstops, This is only a position of weakness for a few months or perhaps one season if at least one of them pans out.

Are we really that all-in on 2023 that we want to commit debilitating (for future years' budgets) money for this year? If last season showed us anything it is that this team is NOT a Carlos Correa away from being a contender.

Agreed - Correa could be a nice luxury but when trying to build a team through farm system, it doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense to block the guys we have 8 months to 2 years away at SS. I’m not drinking the Cool Aid on Lewis after a 2 week stint but we need to assume he’ll contribute somewhere. Optimism  via Farm at SS should be high. There’s 2 more guys behind Lewis to fill SS. If they add Correa and still budget pitching adds - OK. That doesn’t seem likely for the budget!

Need a front end starter! Need relief depth in the back end! …….Pagan “turning it around” is recipe for disaster. We could go get the free agent SS from Colorado for $7-$8 million/yr. for 1-2 years. This plugs short-term hole and leaves lots of flexibility for spending on pitching……….maybe room for catcher help that can help on offense as well.

4 contributors (SS $8M - SP $22M - RP $8M -  C $15M) vs. $34 million/year for Correa & “not being able to afford others” has to make better sense!!!

 

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

I wonder if at dinner, the Twins offered Correa an extra opt-out if he picked up the check.

I kid, I kid.

(kind of)

[nicksaviking]

1 minute ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I wonder if at dinner, the Twins offered Correa an extra opt-out if he picked up the check.

I kid, I kid.

(kind of)

I doubt Correa is there.

But I'll bet Boras would pick up the tab for an extra opt-out and bill Correa for it later.

[wsnydes]

7 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I wonder if at dinner, the Twins offered Correa an extra opt-out if he picked up the check.

I kid, I kid.

(kind of)

 

4 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

I doubt Correa is there.

But I'll bet Boras would pick up the tab for an extra opt-out and bill Correa for it later.

Throw in dessert and you've got yourself a shortstop!

[Mike Sixel]

21 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

I doubt Correa is there.

But I'll bet Boras would pick up the tab for an extra opt-out and bill Correa for it later.

Rocco was talking about having dinner with him last week....

[Mike Sixel]

28 minutes ago, JD-TWINS said:

Agreed - Correa could be a nice luxury but when trying to build a team through farm system, it doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense to block the guys we have 8 months to 2 years away at SS. I’m not drinking the Cool Aid on Lewis after a 2 week stint but we need to assume he’ll contribute somewhere. Optimism  via Farm at SS should be high. There’s 2 more guys behind Lewis to fill SS. If they add Correa and still budget pitching adds - OK. That doesn’t seem likely for the budget!

Need a front end starter! Need relief depth in the back end! …….Pagan “turning it around” is recipe for disaster. We could go get the free agent SS from Colorado for $7-$8 million/yr. for 1-2 years. This plugs short-term hole and leaves lots of flexibility for spending on pitching……….maybe room for catcher help that can help on offense as well.

4 contributors (SS $8M - SP $22M - RP $8M -  C $15M) vs. $34 million/year for Correa & “not being able to afford others” has to make better sense!!!

 

 

There is one great pitcher left in free agency, and he wants a 6 year deal.......They are much better off signing CC and dealing one of Lee or Lewis as part of a package to get a great pitcher. 

[Trov]

1 hour ago, Dave The Dastardly said:

Ten year deal for hundreds of millions with multiple player opt out options? You call that a "contract"? It's a rental at best.

It depends on when the opt outs are and how much he has left on the deal.  This past deal we all knew he was going to opt out barring injury.  But there are many players recently that have opted in because chances were they would not get the same level on FA.  Of course that means we are overpaying, but not that he has no value.  If there are multiple opt outs at 10 years, odds are it will be after 3 or 4 and after 6 or 7, and maybe after like 9.  I doubt it will be like this past deal that is after each year, no team would agree to 10 year opt out after each season. 

[nicksaviking]

44 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Rocco was talking about having dinner with him last week....

Well if he's actually there, then I have to think there's a decent chance he wants to get this over with sooner rather than later.

[ashbury]

3 hours ago, Dave The Dastardly said:

Ten year deal for hundreds of millions with multiple player opt out options? You call that a "contract"? It's a rental at best.

There are some who bristle at certain terminology used in sports. "Owners", "selling", etc. So let's just call it a legal agreement for services.

[IA Bean Counter]

So I am more optimistic now than I was even a month ago a deal can come together.  

1.  Phillies are now out with Turner.  

2. Even though the Dodgers have checked in neither them or the Yankees seem to be serious in pursuing Correa. 

3. The Cubs have also checked on Correa but their main goal appears to be signing Bogaerts and Swanson.  

4. The most willing to give the money to Correa is the Giants, but it is looking more and more likely that they get their #1 target in judge.  

5.  Will that leave the Twins as the only real serious offer for Correa?  300 million seems crazy high, but considering it all may be as good of deal for a superstar that the Twins could ever get.   

 

I apologize for the double post, tried to do one earlier and couldn't get to process. Created new account with this post and the previous post popped up.  

[howeda7]

23 hours ago, Muppet said:

Yeah, falling off the cliff isn't inevitable. I'm just worried that if he keeps it up, he'll just jettison the Twins for a better deal in 2-3 years. If he DOES start to drop off, we're stuck with him. Don't get me wrong. He's a great player and I hope he stays with the Twins... but I do think he's a tad overrated, but still a great player. 

Even if he does well, is someone going to really offer him a significantly better deal than 7 years/$210 million at age 32/33/34? As long as there is no opt-out for the first 3 years, I'm not that worried about them. He's not going to opt out once he hits his mid-30's IMO. If putting them in gives him comfort to sign the deal, fine.

[clone52]

Just go with Nick Nelson's idea.

I don't care about the opt outs at all.  Twins would have been thrilled with him for 3 years at 105M, so if they offer him an opt out after year 3 or 4, who cares?

And if he stinks and stays, how is that any different than a contract with no opt outs?  Its not at all.

And he's going to have a no trade clause no matter who signs him, so complaining about that is pointless.

 

[nicksaviking]

As if anyone needed any other reason to cheer against the Yankees; here's hoping Judge picks the Giants.

[farmerguychris]

Lately I really got myself caught up in the Carlos mania - lets get him signed..... it would be great to land a superstar long term, etc!

But - the more I think about it... is it a good plan?  We learned last year that one superstar does not make a team playoff worthy.  Wouldn't it be a better long term team move that instead of signing 1 superstar player for $35M per year that we sign 2 star players for $17M each?  I'm not really looking at this year, as I don't know if there are any stars to be had for $17M - but IF we did get Carlos (and a big part of me wants to) is it going to hamstring us in the future when there is a player we want, but can't afford because of his contract.  I know $35M per year isn't outlandish, especially 6 years from now - BUT - in the most simple form, aren't 2 really good players better than 1 great one in a team sport such as baseball?

[nicksaviking]

Well the good news regarding the Judge and Turner signings, is that both players turned down significantly contracts to go to their preferred location.

If Correa does truly want to stay with the Twins, that could be a good omen. 

[tarheeltwinsfan]

On 12/5/2022 at 4:12 PM, Doctor Gast said:

I expect Bogaert to be next.

You were right Doc.

 

[tarheeltwinsfan]

On 12/7/2022 at 11:08 AM, nicksaviking said:

Well the good news regarding the Judge and Turner signings, is that both players turned down significantly contracts to go to their preferred location.

If Correa does truly want to stay with the Twins, that could be a good omen. 

I ask again, "How much is enough?" Would you pack up your family and move to NYC for a 10% raise over what your current salary is now? Not me. How if your current salary were doubled? Not me. How about if your current salary were increased 10 times? (Only now do I consider moving to NYC... but then I'm a small-town boy from North Carolina.) 

[Whitey333]

I am totally against signing Correa.  What a waste of money.  And if they have to give him multiple opt outs, I show him the door immediately.  If you are going to commit a 9 figure offer the least the player can do is show a commitment to stay.  Opt outs only help the player and definitely prove he's only concerned about himself.  What kind of teammate is that?

[Mike Sixel]

On 12/7/2022 at 7:59 AM, farmerguychris said:

Lately I really got myself caught up in the Carlos mania - lets get him signed..... it would be great to land a superstar long term, etc!

But - the more I think about it... is it a good plan?  We learned last year that one superstar does not make a team playoff worthy.  Wouldn't it be a better long term team move that instead of signing 1 superstar player for $35M per year that we sign 2 star players for $17M each?  I'm not really looking at this year, as I don't know if there are any stars to be had for $17M - but IF we did get Carlos (and a big part of me wants to) is it going to hamstring us in the future when there is a player we want, but can't afford because of his contract.  I know $35M per year isn't outlandish, especially 6 years from now - BUT - in the most simple form, aren't 2 really good players better than 1 great one in a team sport such as baseball?

Which two? There are zero stars havable at that price, any year.

Also, sign CC and deal some prospects for a legit number 2 pitcher.....

[farmerguychris]

1 hour ago, Mike Sixel said:

Which two? There are zero stars havable at that price, any year.

Also, sign CC and deal some prospects for a legit number 2 pitcher.....

I agree with you - I also do not see any 'really good' players on the market at that salary with this year's crop of free agency... BUT - if we are considering signing CC for 7+ years, I would assume at some point during that timespan there could be 2 players who would have more of an impact for a $17M than 1 year of CC at $35M right?  A team sport needs as many really good players instead of just a couple great ones like you can work with in something like the NBA.