The Twins Need to Set a Carlos Correa Contract Deadline

[bap3141]

1 minute ago, nicksaviking said:

This was with the presumption that Correa would sign last, leaving the Twins no fallback options on the free agent market.

Okay, then I suppose you could replace Correa with Trea in that scenario.  The point is, I don't see it working out as a viable strategy to wait -- I think the SS market will move fast.  And I would rather that the Twins not be in reactionary mode, 

[bap3141]

2 minutes ago, ashbury said:

Levine: "Mr Boras we need a decision from your client. Otherwise, we'll have to turn to our second choice."

Boras: "Which one, Correa, then Bogaerts? Or Bogaerts, then Correa?"

Ha!  Yes.  Boras is in a good place here -- which is not good for the Twins.  I know they won't, but I would be giddy if that situation played out and the Twins said "neither" and signed Trea Turner.  

[nicksaviking]

2 minutes ago, bap3141 said:

Okay, then I suppose you could replace Correa with Trea in that scenario.  The point is, I don't see it working out as a viable strategy to wait -- I think the SS market will move fast.  And I would rather that the Twins not be in reactionary mode, 

I think that's what everybody is saying. It's what I've been saying anyway.

[bap3141]

3 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

I think that's what everybody is saying. It's what I've been saying anyway.

Maybe I missed something in the thread (possible), but I didn't get that from this comment:

 

"I suppose it is semantics. My deadline would be, "whenever there are only two of the four free agent shortstops left". If not earlier."

 

If we both agree that we don't want to see the Twins in a reactionary mode, then I don't believe this is the approach to take. Again, I could be missing some context here.  If we both agree that once one Correa or Trea signs, then the others will follow suit rather quickly, I wouldn't want to take this approach.  I likely just didn't really interpret the part where you said, "If not earlier" ... with that I agree 100%.  Earlier!  Please. 

[nicksaviking]

5 minutes ago, ashbury said:

Levine: "Mr Boras we need a decision from your client, so we're preparing our final, best offer for his consideration. Otherwise, regrettably, we'll have to turn to our second choice."

Boras: "Which one are you speaking of? Correa, then Bogaerts? Or Bogaerts, then Correa?"

Yeah, Boras has a good situation going, but he wouldn't be acting as a good steward of both of his clients futures if he gambles with Bogaerts interests to leverage a better deal for Correa.

And Bogaerts was his client long before Correa. If a team was willing to make Bogaerts a deal he wants, no way Boras is telling Bogaerts, "Please hold, I'll get to you after I satisfy my most important client". I know it's atypical, but think Correa gets done first.

[ashbury]

4 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Yeah, Boras has a good situation going, but he wouldn't be acting as a good steward of both of his clients futures if he gambles with Bogaerts interests to leverage a better deal for Correa.

And Bogaerts was his client long before Correa. If a team was willing to make Bogaerts a deal he wants, no way Boras is telling Bogaerts, "Please hold, I'll get to you after I satisfy my most important client". I know it's atypical, but think Correa gets done first.

I've never heard a word suggesting Boras has ethical problems, so any joking I do is based on the premise that he's kind of neutral about everything aside from getting the best dollar value for each client. In essence, my joke was him saying, "meh, you tell me."

When we say "Boras", we really mean the big operation he has built. I'm sure he puts in significant time with each of his biggest clients, but surely he farms out much of the work to his subordinates, and when any ethical situations arise he makes sure there are sufficient firewalls between the two handling things for them, and then signs off on the final agreement.

If, say, Bogaerts becomes a little irritated by spring that somehow Correa's contract ending up costing him money, he can console himself that it was just the market, and not Boras himself. Or, of course, vice versa. I doubt either will wind up thinking they would have done better with different representation.

I think highly of Boras.  I think he'd make a great Commissioner, except he would never take the cut in pay.

[mikelink45]

NO.  Just sign the best players available and if we run out of money before the Boras show down so be it.  Fix the team - we have enough needs.  I am glad you said it was an internal deadline because trying to hold out against Boras and play hardball does not work.  Just tell him to call when he is getting close to having Correa sign and if we still have the money we can jump in.

Just remember that Correa was a wonderful and highly overpaid player next year who did not even lead us to 500.  We can sign him again and still be 500 if we do not construct the entire roster correctly.

[weitz41]

Trea to Phillies $300 mil over 11. I don't think a deadline helps. Just make your best offers to the remaining three..

[puckstopper1]

4 hours ago, Nashvilletwin said:

2. You are correct - nothing happens at the top of the market until Judge signs. Buyers and sellers are waiting to see what kind of ammo that gives to their arguments.

I agree that the team that signs Judge will likely not be able to sign other high end free agents, but I'm not so sure "nothing happens" is the case.  If a team needs a SS, they won't really care if Judge has signed. 

Yes Judge is the top of the market, but several major free agent signings have already happened with Verlander, deGrom, Abreu and now Trea Turner all signing - likely for either more years or more $$ than anticipated.

[Nashvilletwin]

3 minutes ago, puckstopper1 said:

I agree that the team that signs Judge will likely not be able to sign other high end free agents, but I'm not so sure "nothing happens" is the case.  If a team needs a SS, they won't really care if Judge has signed. 

Yes Judge is the top of the market, but several major free agent signings have already happened with Verlander, deGrom, Abreu and now Trea Turner all signing - likely for either more years or more $$ than anticipated.

Yep - I was wrong.  Turner dropped today. Two of the others were pitchers and Abreu is a two year deal - so those weren’t really in my thinking. But Turner certainly was. 

[Brandon]

The Twins are scheduled to meet with Boras and Correa at the Winter Meetings so let’s see how that goes and then decide whether to sign or pivot.  The Twins should know what will get the deal done by the end of that meeting.

[rwilfong86]

With Turner signing, I am guessing Correa signs in the next 48 hours.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

7 hours ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

May be semantics here, but that is not setting a deadline, that is moving forward.  If they could sign Bogaerts today (for right contract), and Correa is still undecided, they would sign Bogaerts.  Nothing to do with a deadline.

Boras takes the approach that the market is irrelevant.  He knows what he wants his players to get and he usually gets it somewhere.  Very rarely do things not work out for him.

If it is Correa or nothing, the Twins may have already tipped their hand.  But they will not go back to Boras and say "too late"

Right, and negotiation with Bogaerts and having Farmer already on the team can give the Twins some leverage on the negotiation w/ C4.

Something like: ”look, we’d rather sign you, but if we can’t figure this out, we’ll go w/Bogaerts that we are close on a deal with”.

[Johnny Ringo]

Unless they have extended him a $300 million contract (highly unlikely) there is no reason to set a deadline because he ain't coming. There is no reason to wait up. Sleep well FO.  

[howeda7]

Correa is not coming back unless we offer the most $$, which is highly unlikely. This constant waiting with baited breath by Twins Twitter etc. is over the top. There's a 98% chance he's gone and that's been the case for months.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

23 hours ago, Original_JB said:

Well, Boras is no dummy, and I'm sure that having the Twins essentially begging to have him back at some "bottom of the market" price with a variety of year length contracts, has him thrilled, and in no hurry.  If the Twins feel they want one of the other 3 FA SSs at all, they should go about their business and make offers to them. That said, unless it is an overpay, I think everyone is waiting for the Judge contract to drop and everyone falls into line after that. Will the 'non-Correa' SSs stand around and wait to see what he gets before signing? Again, unless it's a "market rate" or big overpay (like Texas did with Seager and Semien) I'm not sure. But the Twins certainly shouldn't sit on their hands waiting. If one of the other 3 bite on a reasonable deal and it's an upgrade from where you're at, make the move, and maybe give Correa a "right now, yes/no" option, before making the signing.

I wonder what ethical considerations Boras has in representing both Correa and Bogaerts? 

[Fire Dan Gladden]

Per the Athletic via ESPN, San Diego offered Trea Turner a contract larger than the $341m Lindor got from the Mets.  Turner turned it down to stay closer to family in Philly.

If this is accurate, this Twins ability to sign Correa may be a lot lower than most of us think...

[Linus]

Don’t look now but what we feared might be happening. Haniger has signed along with several of the better pitchers.   Signing Correa would be fun but this team has holes in addition to SS. 

[nicksaviking]

3 minutes ago, Linus said:

Don’t look now but what we feared might be happening. Haniger has signed along with several of the better pitchers.   Signing Correa would be fun but this team has holes in addition to SS. 

They were never getting deGrom or Verlander. Rodon wants a six year deal. None of the other starting pitchers who've signed are better than Gray and Ryan. No interest in guys like Taillon or Walker.

[Linus]

2 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

They were never getting deGrom or Verlander. Rodon wants a six year deal. None of the other starting pitchers who've signed are better than Gray and Ryan. No interest in guys like Taillon or Walker.

Disagree. They need to add 120 innings plus of good pitching so those were viable targets. Haniger was the best choice to add a right handed outfielder and Josh Bell was a great fit at DH.  They could get the innings by adding two bullpen arms better than Jax but they don’t do that either. 

[nicksaviking]

7 minutes ago, Linus said:

Disagree. They need to add 120 innings plus of good pitching so those were viable targets. Haniger was the best choice to add a right handed outfielder and Josh Bell was a great fit at DH.  They could get the innings by adding two bullpen arms better than Jax but they don’t do that either. 

Outside of Verlander, has any pitcher signed that you can feel confident about giving you 120 good innings? There's just not that type of pitcher available this year.

Quintana, Taillon and Walker have been average to terrible the years leading up to  2022. Few things are as frustrating as seeing a veteran pitcher have one bounce back year and the league assumes that's the new normal. It's not; history shows they're much more likely to be average to terrible again. I'd be more than happy if the Twins never gave out a multi year deal to one of those kinds of pitchers ever again.