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[adorduan]

38 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

I'm not sure your point......he was meh in 2020.....and bad in 2021.....and bad in 2022. To be clear, I think O, D, and baserunning all matter.......all of them. 

He was not good in cleveland, good in Atlanta, and God like in the playoffs in 2021. 2022 he had vision problems that required surgery.

[chpettit19]

2 hours ago, RpR said:

Then you think it was stupid to dump Rosario, his batting numbers were very good and they still dumped  him. 

You have to if hitting is so important plus if hitting is that important then the rookies who have put up lousy numbers should go back to AAA till they prove then deserve to be up, not floating around the Mendoza line, or traded for veterans whoes already have shown what they can do .

The latter is how they got a top line team in 2019,

No, Eddie Rosario's batting numbers were not "very good." They were solid, but not worth the contract they would have had to pay him in arbitration. As shown by the fact that nobody signed him to a deal the size they would've had to pay him in arbitration. And he was a poor defender and base runner who made a lot of mental mistakes.

Some of the rookies should be in AAA, yes. But they also need the chance to prove they can adjust and perform in the majors after they've mastered AAA. That's how it works. Alex Kirilloff can do no more in AAA. He's proven without a doubt that he's too good for that level. The question now is if he's good enough to be in the majors. You can't find that out if you don't play him in the majors. Trevor Larnach mastered AAA. Jose Miranda mastered AAA. Celestino did not and I'd put him back there. Wallner is on the border, but I'd start him in AAA. Lewis has mastered AAA and needs to be in the majors. I don't think they should build their entire team around rookies/young players (I want them to sign Correa and let Lewis/Lee/whoever find a spot when they establish themselves). But they need to have some mixed in because of the nature of finances in major league baseball.

I'm not ignoring any side of the game and am advocating for taking the complete player into account. You constantly complain about young players being around the Mendoza line while pushing for Kepler to stay with the Twins despite him having a worse BA than many of the young guys when they're healthy. And that's because you love his defense. I don't mind Kepler around as a 4th OFer, but his defense in RF doesn't make up for the hole he puts in the lineup. It's entirely possible for those of us who wouldn't mind seeing him replaced are taking a defensive drop into account when we wish for an upgrade in RF. Slightly worse defense with significantly better offense makes the team better. But you often times just point to the defensive drop and say it'd automatically be a bad move. That's extreme.

[dxpavelka]

On 12/4/2022 at 5:25 PM, specialiststeve said:

Would really depend on what they got back for them. Kepler has yearly underperformed... Polanco has some good trade value with his manageable contract ... Moving both would open up spots for Gordon to play second as he has proved he can play.. Kepler very good on defense but... They CLEARLY will add a catcher so that is a mute point. 

 

Moving Polanco to open a spot for Gordon would be a great idea if Gordon could play BETTER than Polanco.  Has not yet proven able to do so.

[FrankQuilicy]

10 hours ago, adorduan said:

*2021 playoffs excepted. world series champion, baby. more than any of the current Twins will ever be.

Yeah...Are you kidding me? Eddie Rosario was a fricken warrior! Can you name the player with the most RBIs for the Bomba Squad?  If you can't then get off this site. Non tendering Rosario was the 2nd most asinine decision Falvey ever made. The first was trading Escobar.

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[Doctor Gast]

19 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

Pat Neshek was not a long reliever. Did he have a few games early where he went more than 1 inning? Yes. But he was no long reliever. In '06 he had 37 innings in 32 games. In '07 he had 70.1 innings in 74 games. In '08 he had 13.1 innings in 15 games. In '10 he had 9 innings in 11 games. 3 of his 4 seasons here he averaged less than an inning per outing.

He wasn't a long reliever after he left, either. In fact, he never averaged even 1 inning per outing in any year after his rookie year. He threw 488 innings in 544 appearances in his career. That's .9 innings per appearance.

Thanks chpettit, I'm sorry I misconstrued Nesek's gap filling middle relief as long relief. But I don't want to negate our need of long relief to fill our gap between SP to closer.

[Doctor Gast]

Can anybody tell me the draft lottery turned out last night?

 

[chpettit19]

3 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

Thanks chpettit, I'm sorry I misconstrued Nesek's gap filling middle relief as long relief. But I don't want to negate our need of long relief to fill our gap between SP to closer.

No worries, I agree with your long reliever take (they need at least 1 guy who goes multiple innings regularly) but Neshek was definitely not that guy. He was fun to watch, though.

1 hour ago, Doctor Gast said:

Can anybody tell me the draft lottery turned out last night?

 

Draft lottery is at 7:30 tonight, fyi.

[Doctor Gast]

On 12/6/2022 at 9:45 AM, chpettit19 said:

No worries, I agree with your long reliever take (they need at least 1 guy who goes multiple innings regularly) but Neshek was definitely not that guy. He was fun to watch, though.

Back in Neshek day, it was common for the Twins rotation to go 7 innings and wasn't uncommon for them to complete the game. Neshek was the middle RP who pitched 1-2 innings to fill that gap between SP & closer.

Now days our rotation is very different & philosophy has changed for SPs to pitch around 5 innings. To compensate so should our philosophy on middle RPs should change to pitch around 3 innings instead of having around 4 short RPs pitching almost every game. This overstretches short relief which to compensate the rotation is overstretched.