Rumor: Toronto Rumored to be Shopping Danny Jansen

[Doctor Gast]

I has been rumored that TOR will trade one of their catchers for some time now. According to a few Blue Jays podcasts this evening stated that TOR will more likely trade Danny Jansen. They have also said they have had quite a few offers for Jansen. Jansen is pretty good both offensively, defensively & is good with the pitchers.

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Season	Team	Level	G	PA	HR	AVG	OBP	SLG	wOBA	wRC+	WAR
2022	TOR	MLB	72	248	15	.260	.339	.516	.363	140	2.6

 

One gave 2 trades rumors and one of those were the Twins. This trade rumor was ridiculous it had the Twins giving up Kepler, Balazovik & Sands for Jansen. Although this trade is ridiculous it gave me hope that the Twins were interested, hopefully they can come up with a better offer. The Jay are interested in top end pitching (we really don't have), a CF, perferrably a LH hitter or LH hitter in general. We have quite a few LH hitters. I've had my eye on Jansen before the Jays officially announced their openess to trade. What do guys think?  

 

 

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[CRF]

Would much rather have Murphy. 

[Linus]

I read a similar article in the Athletic and there were several other teams that could top any Twins offer. The Twins fired their trade bullets at the last trade deadline. The only guys they have left are Lewis or Lee which ain’t gonna happen. 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

I would do Sands, Balazovich and Kepler for Jansen in a heartbeat. Guessing too low, but a start

[Steve71]

I would also do that trade.  Hardly ridiculous, 2 pitchers who have good raw stuff and can't stay healthy, and a player on last full year of contract who many here want to send out.

[Linus]

Toronto wouldn’t even pick up the phone for that deal. 

[dxpavelka]

If I'm making a deal with Toronto for a catcher, I'd rather have Gabriel Moreno.  They just might do it considering, Alejandro Kirk's an All-Star and a Silver Slugger winner and only 24 years old. Moreno's gonna cost but would be worth the price considering the dearth of high end catching in the system. 

 

[talkintwins]

If I'm not mistaken, the "Jansen is likely to be traded" rumor was started by a daily Blue Jays podcast which presents other people's mock trade ideas as if they're legitimately in play (rarely ever true). They were also a big part of the "Acuna is getting traded to the Jays" rumors from a couple weeks ago, which Rosenthal finally shot down. To date, no Jays reporter has officially reported that Jansen is the one most likely to be moved - it's purely speculative. Most on-record quotes from the Jays front office coyly hint that all three catchers could be in play or that Toronto might keep all three.

Worth noting...
Gabriel Moreno will be 23 next season, on pace to reach free agency in 2028, and will earn $0.7M.
Alejandro Kirk will be 24 next season, on pace to reach free agency in 2027, and will earn $0.7M.
Danny Jansen will be 28 next season, on pace to reach free agency in 2025, and will earn $3.6M.

Moreno is the total package & will likely be used to bring back a star if he's moved at all... but I'd personally rather see the Twins target 22-year-old catcher Endy Rodriguez of the Pirates before he has a chance to breakout & become off-limits. A David Bednar+Rodriguez trade would be tough to pull off but would address two of the Twins' needs in one move. Twins likely don't have enough of the right assets to execute it, but the offseason is all about wishful thinking.

[Doctor Gast]

13 hours ago, CRF said:

Would much rather have Murphy. 

So would I, OAK would want prospects and the cost will be high. Maybe a Lee & Lewis in the trade, too expensive

[Doctor Gast]

12 hours ago, Linus said:

I read a similar article in the Athletic and there were several other teams that could top any Twins offer. The Twins fired their trade bullets at the last trade deadline. The only guys they have left are Lewis or Lee which ain’t gonna happen. 

TOR isn't OAK where they'll want viable MLB ready players. The trade won't be that expensive.

[Doctor Gast]

6 hours ago, talkintwins said:

If I'm not mistaken, the "Jansen is likely to be traded" rumor was started by a daily Blue Jays podcast which presents other people's mock trade ideas as if they're legitimately in play (rarely ever true). They were also a big part of the "Acuna is getting traded to the Jays" rumors from a couple weeks ago, which Rosenthal finally shot down. To date, no Jays reporter has officially reported that Jansen is the one most likely to be moved - it's purely speculative. Most on-record quotes from the Jays front office coyly hint that all three catchers could be in play or that Toronto might keep all three.

Worth noting...
Gabriel Moreno will be 23 next season, on pace to reach free agency in 2028, and will earn $0.7M.
Alejandro Kirk will be 24 next season, on pace to reach free agency in 2027, and will earn $0.7M.
Danny Jansen will be 28 next season, on pace to reach free agency in 2025, and will earn $3.6M.

Moreno is the total package & will likely be used to bring back a star if he's moved at all... but I'd personally rather see the Twins target 22-year-old catcher Endy Rodriguez of the Pirates before he has a chance to breakout & become off-limits. A David Bednar+Rodriguez trade would be tough to pull off but would address two of the Twins' needs in one move. Twins likely don't have enough of the right assets to execute it, but the offseason is all about wishful thinking.

Yes, that'd be nice, but PIT likes to hold onto their young players and they are about to make an attempt to compete so it'll be tough to pry Rodriguez away from them. But like you say it's nice to dream, but who knows

[nicksaviking]

Seems to me the rule of thumb is, that if I'd eagerly make the deal, it's way too good for the Twins.

I'm not sure how much I'd actually want to give up for only two more years of control of a guy who's only year being the starting catcher was outright awful though.

[TopGunn#22]

I've posted on this previously.  My thoughts are that the Jays will not part with Moreno and Kirk is too expensive.  Janson is the most affordable and with catchers being hot commodities the Jays will be willing to deal Jansen.  Jeffers is a career backup at best.  I would be willing to trade Kepler and Ober to the Blue Jays for Jansen.  It would take that.  Guys like Sands and Balazovic haven't done enough to be a major piece in a deal of this magnitude.  It would hurt to give up Ober but you'd have to come with someone like him to get the Blue Jays attention.

The Jays want a LH hitting outfielder who can play CF.  Kepler fits the bill.  But if you wanted to expand the deal, you could offer Celestino and Ober and ask for Jansen and Lourdes Gurriel.  Then we get a RH outfield bat as well.

[tony&rodney]

Danny Jansen should be available at less of a cost than Sean Murphy. The trick is to have either team interested in Twins players and then manage a mutually acceptable trade. I can't see trading Brooks Lee or Royce Lewis. 

Would Oakland trade Murphy for a return of Larnach, Ober, and Raya? Would Toronto trade Jansen for Ober and Kepler?

One thing is clear. The Twins need a catcher. Christian Vasquez would be a good addition via a free agent signing. Narvaez may be acceptable but is less than exciting. I can't see spending big money on Contreras. 

[ashbury]

Up the middle talent is always expensive.  Multiple bidders competing.  I don't expect a bargain to be obtained.  Jansen looks like could be the sweet spot for the Twins, value versus what they are willing to give up.

[Doctor Gast]

10 hours ago, talkintwins said:

. but I'd personally rather see the Twins target 22-year-old catcher Endy Rodriguez of the Pirates before he has a chance to breakout & become off-limits. A David Bednar+Rodriguez trade would be tough to pull off but would address two of the Twins' needs in one move. Twins likely don't have enough of the right assets to execute it, but the offseason is all about wishful thinking.

Thanks talkintwinsI checked Rodriguez out and I totally agree with you. When given a chance, Rodriguez jumped from A in the end of '21 to AAA in '22 and he could be MLB ready starting '23.  He could become a better catcher than Mauer. He's a skinny switch hitter that had incredible offensive #s in '22 & a lot of pop, just think what he could do when he fills out? His defense is pretty good. 

PIT has another catching prospect Davis which they have prized a little more, Maybe if we could offer them a couple of suitable prospects they could part with Rodriguez. That'd solve our catching problem for a very long time. So I'm with you in prioritizing in obtaining Endy Rodriguez. A catcher like him are hard to come by. We need to jump all over this one.

[DocBauer]

I know I'm going to catch heat for this, but that's OK. I believe you improve your team, at any position, when you can, and as much as you can. That being said, I just don't that I want to send out even more prospect capital to add to catcher right now.

I'm OK with Jansen if he comes cheap to clear the Jay's logjam. Otherwise, I'm still looking at someone in the FA market to pair with Jeffers and look to make a difference somewhere else.

I understand I like Jeffers more than some. I like his game calling and handling of the staff. I like the offense he's shown in college, milb, 2020, and part of 2022, and I like that's he's only 25yo and still has upside as a hitter. I like Narvaez as a solid, veteran backstop with an OK LH bat, with some power, to form a nice mix behind the plate. 

I would like to see one good, quality RP to deepen the back end of the pen and use the other younger arms available for middle relief. I'm fully in favor of adding another SP as good as, hopefully better than, Gray and Mahle for depth and options, if not improvement. I want the Twins to grab one of the top 4 SS to solidify the infield and help the offense. And I want at least one other quality RH bat to add to the lineup SOMEWHERE.

And I prefer the Twins to use all of this financial flexibility they have to make smart additions to build for 2023. But...while I'm NOT objecting to making a trade for improvement...I'd like to stop trading quality prospects AT THIS TIME for additions/improvements and use their $ capital.

Now, one thing the FO HAS DONE previously is change gears and go a different direction to add when their intended targets don't fall in to place. That always changes the complexion of things. But they are in a prime situation that they themselves manufactured to have the flexibility to make a couple big and decent moves for once. So I'd like to see them do so.

[DocBauer]

Side note: The market will dictate, but if you can, sign Leon on some sort of high value split deal where he can be invited to ST but be waiting in St Paul the same way Cave was last year, and the same way I believe Garlick will be handled this year. 

[lecroy24fan]

Jansen was the catcher I targeted in my blueprint so i'm definitely hoping there is something to this.

[Stew]

Don't think it's a deal. But I would do that one in a heartbeat.

[Doctor Gast]

I began this thread very excited about a possible Jansen trade. Catching is a big need right now so Jansen is a very viable option which I had on my blue print as my starting catcher. We'd have Jansen for 2yrs but our catching problem is bigger than 2yrs. maybe 6 yrs away so lets explore Murphy.

Murphy is even a better all around catcher than Jansen and he has 1 more year of availability. But there are 2 set backs, #1 he doesn't solve our long range problem and #2 he'll costs around 2 of our top prospects which could hurt us in the future.

I love the brain storming that has gone on in this thread. It has changed my view as to who's my top priority to fill this deep hole at catching. And it's talkintwins suggestion of Endy Rodriguez. As I stated before that I believe Rodriguez has the potential to be a much better  catcher than even Mauer. He has the fire to excel in everything he does and in any situation. 

IDK what PIT is willing to accept in trade but I'm sure it be a player with plenty of availability and or prospects. If we trade a couple of prospects where we have depth for a possible future HOF and that fills a deep hole for many years to come. It'd be well worth it.

SS is our short range priority and catching is our secondary priority but primary long range priority with years of no solution internally.  These 2 are our major concerns, all others are minor. So Flavine jump all over this one. You'll never regret it.

[weitz41]

Jansen would be a great add to the team. I think that trade is a bit light. It'll probably take something close to Kep, Gordon and 1 or both pitchers to get there. Another option is to take on a bad contract like Kikuchi. Then I could see Kep and one of the pitchers doing it. A viable veteran long reliever/starter (although expensive) could be a big plus for the pitching staff. Not ideal but Jansen would offset a lot of the negative with his play and salary.

Doc Gast mentioned Edny Rodriguez. A switch-hitting catcher/1b would be a huge get. But I think the trade would be tough to swing. Their minor league system is full of close to mlb position players. Which is the strength of our system. I'd guess they'd want mostly close to mlb pitchers. IDK if the quality and quantity is there to make that happen.

[jorgenswest]

18 minutes ago, weitz41 said:

Doc Gast mentioned Edny Rodriguez. A switch-hitting catcher/1b would be a huge get. But I think the trade would be tough to swing. Their minor league system is full of close to mlb position players. Which is the strength of our system. I'd guess they'd want mostly close to mlb pitchers. IDK if the quality and quantity is there to make that happen.

Would an offer like Ober, Julien and Enlow be enough? It is almost the value of Rodriguez in BTV. The could also offer Rodriguez, Martin and Prielipp which comes up a little shorter on BTV but gives the Pirates more upside.

[weitz41]

12 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

Would an offer like Ober, Julien and Enlow be enough? It is almost the value of Rodriguez in BTV. The could also offer Rodriguez, Martin and Prielipp which comes up a little shorter on BTV but gives the Pirates more upside.

I was looking at it on BTV as well. Those seem like the most likely packages. Maybe Ober, Enlow and Rodriguez with a lottery ticket or two coming back on the Twins side. Keep in mind Rodriguez has played all of 6 games in AAA ball and requires a 40-man spot. 

[tony&rodney]

E. Rodriguez is right there with Brooks Lee as the top prospect for the Twins. The odds of trading either is lower than trading Lewis.

[jorgenswest]

2 hours ago, tony&rodney said:

E. Rodriguez is right there with Brooks Lee as the top prospect for the Twins. The odds of trading either is lower than trading Lewis.

The Pirates Rodriguez is a more valuable prospect than the Twins Rodriguez. According the BTV more than twice as valuable. Our Rodriguez might rank 6th in their system. The Pirates also have two 23 years olds and a 22 year old that were rookies last year and more valuable than our Rodriguez to add to those 6.

Being a top prospect in the Twins system might not mean that much.

[tony&rodney]

9 hours ago, jorgenswest said:

The Pirates Rodriguez is a more valuable prospect than the Twins Rodriguez. According the BTV more than twice as valuable. Our Rodriguez might rank 6th in their system. The Pirates also have two 23 years olds and a 22 year old that were rookies last year and more valuable than our Rodriguez to add to those 6.

Being a top prospect in the Twins system might not mean that much.

You may be correct but the Twins are unlikely to trade either of their guys. Just sayin.

[Rosterman]

I would do that trade.

[Doctor Gast]

1st I'd like to thank the one who made this topic presentation more presentable.

IMO PIT would want to be more competitive this season. Thus they could be interested MLB ready SP, catcher, RFer, utility and pitching prospects. We can cover these needs if PIT could be pursuaded to trade Endy Rodriguez

[tony&rodney]

Wonder if the Twins have even considered looking at Pittsburgh as a trade partner?