27 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

I can see a scenario where he starts against left handed pitching all of the time even if a premier shortstop is added.  I don't want to see Farmer as the Twins' Opening Day shortstop and I fear this is the path they are on. 

We open against Kansas City whose best pitcher this year was Brady Singer who throws ... uh, yeah.  Don't want to see Farmer as the Twins' Opening Day shortstop.

2 hours ago, USAFChief said:

Why are we trading for a "backup"?

 

I get less and less impressed by this front office weekly.

Agreed!   

3 hours ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

In 2019 the Nationals had not only one but two players making over $35m.

This link has their payroll ... 

The amount being the same is not remotely relevant.   $35M to the Dodgers and $35M to the Twins represents a very different percentage which is the issue.  In this case, those players represented 20% and 18% respectively.     Do you not understand this concept or did you just ignore it because it negates your argument?  I would add that the Nationals incremental revenue would pay for both of those players.  I would also add they are pitchers which is where I am advocating the money go.

4 hours ago, USAFChief said:

Why are we trading for a "backup"?

 

I get less and less impressed by this front office weekly.

Would you rather have Rob Refsnyder, JT Riddle or Jermaine Palcios?

46 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

This link has their payroll ... 

The amount being the same is not remotely relevant.   $35M to the Dodgers and $35M to the Twins represents a very different percentage which is the issue.  In this case, those players represented 20% and 18% respectively.     Do you not understand this concept or did you just ignore it because it negates your argument?  I would add that the Nationals incremental revenue would pay for both of those players.  I would also add they are pitchers which is where I am advocating the money go.

Who brought up the Dodgers? Pretty sure I brought up the Nationals, a higher market team than the Twins but not even close to one of the elite spenders on a yearly basis.

And if you keep it up with this condescending jackassery, show yourself the door or I’ll do it for you. You are completely incapable of discussing finances without being a jerk about it and you’ve been doing it for years. Enough. 

1 hour ago, nicksaviking said:

Would you rather have Rob Refsnyder, JT Riddle or Jermaine Palcios?

What's the difference? None of these players, including 32 year old Farmer, are going to help win a pennant. 

They're there because you need 26 players on the roster.

What good comes from Kyle Farmer? How does that get the Twins to a WS?

 

7 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

What's the difference? None of these players, including 32 year old Farmer, are going to help win a pennant. 

They're there because you need 26 players on the roster.

What good comes from Kyle Farmer? How does that get the Twins to a WS?

 

I’d guess just about every World Series winning team had a player worse than Farmer on their team. The Astros employed Nico Goodrum this year.

2 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

I’d guess just about every World Series winning team had a player worse than Farmer on their team. The Astros employed Nico Goodrum this year.

Nico Goodrum was signed as a FA, not as a trade target. He also appeared in 15 games and had 45 PAs for the Astros. 

There's no need to trade for Kyle Farmer. Like Nico Goodrum, or Jermaine Palacios, every team already has a couple three Kyle Farmers in their system and there's another couple dozen available as cheap free agent minor league depth.

Dollars to donuts Farmer is a starter on the 2023 Twins.

Barf.

 

1 hour ago, USAFChief said:

What's the difference? None of these players, including 32 year old Farmer, are going to help win a pennant. 

They're there because you need 26 players on the roster.

What good comes from Kyle Farmer? How does that get the Twins to a WS?

 

Edited.... Not worth it. 

He can grow potatoes for the Twins!

I see Farmer as roughly equivalent to Jose Iglesias, who some have suggested would be a suitable bridge shortstop for the Twins. Farmer brings much more versatility and solid platoon splits against left handed pitching. 

While I don't suggest that Farmer would be the regular shortstop on a World Series team, I think he could be a valuable backup. I can envision him filling in for injury at second, short and third plus getting at-bats when resting left handed hitters Arraez and Kirilloff (still hoping he comes all the way back) against left handed pitching.

 

10 hours ago, USAFChief said:

What's the difference? None of these players, including 32 year old Farmer, are going to help win a pennant. 

They're there because you need 26 players on the roster.

What good comes from Kyle Farmer? How does that get the Twins to a WS?

 

What good came from Aledmys Diaz being on the Astros roster (he was received in a trade for a 25 year old minor league pitcher, weird how identical this is to the Farmer trade)? How did he get the Astros to a WS?

It's almost like every team in baseball, including WS champs, need to have backups, and preferably good ones.

3 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

You demonstrated that you either did not understand the premise was percentage of payroll and the example using the Dodgers illustrated that point.  Why else would you use an example of 20% when I asked if there were examples of 25%..  It's a really simple concept and I assume everyone here understands the difference.  Assuming you knew the difference, you chose to make an argument that you knew was wrong rather than admitting no other team has been willing to invest this percentage of payroll in one player.  Now you want to use your moderator status to squash the argument.  

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/cleveland-guardians/payroll/2022/

The Cleveland Guardians literally just won the division, and took NY to a do or die game 5 in the ALDS, with a guy making 26.81% of their payroll. Guess the condescension wasn't so needed after all.

Let’s look at these transactions this way. We traded Urshela and Legumina (An A ball reliever) for Farmer and an A ball starter, saved 2-3 million, freed up a 40 man roster spot, gained positional flexibility and added a bat that destroys lefties while clearing a log jam at DH/1st.

Remind me why we are upset?

1 hour ago, chpettit19 said:

What good came from Aledmys Diaz being on the Astros roster (he was received in a trade for a 25 year old minor league pitcher, weird how identical this is to the Farmer trade)? How did he get the Astros to a WS?

It's almost like every team in baseball, including WS champs, need to have backups, and preferably good ones.

Exactly this. If the Twins open 2023 with Farmer starting at short, fans should burn Target Field to the ground.

But let’s wait until that actually happens. If Farmer ends up being the infield insurance policy most of us expect him him to be, this is a fine move, the kind of move I look at and say “okay, they checked a box, now what’s next?”

10 hours ago, cHawk said:

He can grow potatoes for the Twins!

He and Kyle Garlick need to join forces.

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12 hours ago, USAFChief said:

Dollars to donuts Farmer is a starter on the 2023 Twins.

Donuts are delicious and cost about a dollar nowadays anyway, so this is a win-win betting proposition.

I wouldn't say we are getting "chopped liver" or a serviceable " backup" with Kyle Farmer.  He led both the Twins and the Reds in RBI in 2022, and outperformed our $35 million dollar man in RBI's and doubles and certainly could hold his own out on the diamond as he can play several positions competently, He is no backup in my eyes and evidently the FO's too.

14 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

I’d guess just about every World Series winning team had a player worse than Farmer on their team. The Astros employed Nico Goodrum this year.

I remember Steve Lombardozzi and Mike Pagliarulo.

21 hours ago, USAFChief said:

 

Dollars to donuts Farmer is a starter on the 2023 Twins.

Barf.

 

I’ll agree it’s possible, but completely disagree it’s the intention.

Farmer may be the backup plan if they miss out on the top four SS, but he is still better than any of the other free agent SS by a mile.

And anyone pretending that trying to get a good shortstop is a charade is only looking for reasons to deride the front office. They HAVE done the unexpected in free agency. 

On 11/18/2022 at 8:10 PM, Squirrel said:

With this crowd … who couldn’t even tell RandBall Stu’s article about licking their lockers clean was satire … you never know. ? People are pretty quick to jump to the worst possible conclusion.

But I’m not sure how Farmer fits in, unless he’s flipped for something else (hopefully)

Well normally you put an emoji or something in your Far-Out Dude type posts...LOL.  I just assumed Troll and didn't respond...LOL  My apologies for the bad assumption to T&R assuming Trollism.

That said, Farmer is going to be the infield SU if he stays.  I suspect he will because 3/4 of his starts at SS, (he has a good glove and the reasons the LAD and others saw him as a C is because of his arm), came with the Reds and this includes the minors.  Most of his starts in the minors and before the Reds was at C.

I first said, "Who?" and quickly followed by "Huh?" until I dug a little deeper.  Also, a guy who could be flipped to a contender if things play out that way in 23.

This trade is nothing but perfect evidence of stuff I don't like!

We will know by All Star Break if those against are correct or if was as good as apple pie.