Twins Add Four to their 40-Man Roster

[TopGunn#22]

I'm just glad Julien and Canterino were protected.  I still have high hopes for Canterino.  He will probably never be a SP but he could be a dominant arm in the BP and I'm fine with that if that's all he ever is.

[Trov]

I am not an insider in the Twins organization, so I will defer to their call on Casey Legumina, but I am assuming Sisk will get taken in rule 5 as he is near MLB ready, pen guy, lefty.  If he is not taken in rule 5 I will be shocked.  That being said, there must be some reason the team, who passes like 5 pen guys through waivers every year, did not see a need to add him to 40 man. 

[arby58]

13 hours ago, MN_ExPat said:

Except that most other teams are in similar positions roster wise as the Twins.  Not saying that there won't be a single player taken in the V, but it will probably not be the bloodletting predicted by some .

Right - they have to stay on the MLB roster for the entire season. Do we really think there are 5 unprotected Twins minor leaguers that teams are itching to get and keep on their roster for the entirety of the 2023 season? If so, the various rankings of minor league systems (where the Twins are more in the middle or toward the bottom) are missing something.

[LonelyseatinMOA]

13 hours ago, roger said:

Canterino will also go on the 60 day IL at that time.

Would Royce be added too? or would they keep him off so they can activate him if he's recovering faster than expected?

[roger]

11 hours ago, Dman said:

The first three were no brainers to me.  Jullien is everything you want in a bat and Canterino when healthy is very to tough to hit and gets K's in bunches.  Headrick is big Lefty with starter potential who could also be a pen arm if needed.  The team is short on Lefties so I can see why Headrick was appealing.  

I really liked what Sisk did last year.  The stat sheet looked good and there wasn't much difference in performance between AA and AAA.  He didn't give up a ton of HR's I guess I don't understand why they wouldn't make room for him?  I would prefer him over any rule V guy they decide to grab.

Lawyerson had a really good year stat wise as well he had a serious dominant stretch but his fastball isn't that fast so he would have to be a finesse starter and or reliever.  So I can see the hesitation.  Things could fall apart for him at AAA but he looks like someone with a chance as a reliever IMO.

If you look on MLB.com though Legumina is rated at 26 and Sisk and Lawyerson are not in the top 30. Legumina has a legit 4 pitch mix and the potential devastating slider the Twins love so I guess it makes sense they added him.  Still his stats from last year are ugly.  I hope this isn't another Strotman type pitcher taking up space.

I know position players generally don't get taken that often in rule V because teams just can't afford to carry those players all year and Severino isn't fast, doesn't have amazing power numbers and isn't a defensive wizard.  The bat is his carrying tool but is that enough for another team to keep him on the 27 man?  I would be hard pressed to say yes.

I think you can wave goodbye to Evan Sisk as that is a risk I can see any bottom team taking.  Possible that Lawyerson and or Funderburk get taken but I have to believe there are better arms out there to choose from but who knows.

The power Chris Williams showed last year could get him picked by a bottom team but he had a pretty large drop off from AA to AAA. I might be alone on this but I really like Anthony Prato as a utility player and I think he could stick on a MLB roster and be valuable but that might be a reach.

In summary I am OK with the 4 guys they chose.  I like Sisk better than Legumina but I will trust they see more potential in the righty.  As always it will be interesting to see what teams do in Rule V and I hope none of our guys get picked.

Question, Dman.  Are they going to a 27 man roster next year?

[roger]

Maybe Seth or someone else knows the answer.  What spot will the Twins be picking in this year's Rule 5 draft?  I don't know if their adding Leguma makes it less likely or more that they will make a pick.  Obviously, if they are picking early in the draft there may/should be some interesting prospects available.  Heck, maybe even a solid catcher.  But that may be a dumb comment as he wouldn't be experienced enough to be their 1A catcher and carrying 3 catchers for the entire year is tough.

[jmlease1]

44 minutes ago, Trov said:

I am not an insider in the Twins organization, so I will defer to their call on Casey Legumina, but I am assuming Sisk will get taken in rule 5 as he is near MLB ready, pen guy, lefty.  If he is not taken in rule 5 I will be shocked.  That being said, there must be some reason the team, who passes like 5 pen guys through waivers every year, did not see a need to add him to 40 man. 

Yeah, if Laweryson was Rule 5 eligible, he would have been the guy I would have protected over Legumina, but the FO should hopefully have better insight that me. Sisk is a guy I like, but his struggles to throw strikes is a problem. Twins may be betting on a team not being able to keep him on the 27 man all year when he walks the entire league for a couple of weeks? But he seems likely to be picked (I know if I had a team that wasn't contending I would grab him up for sure, and would probably try and grab him even if I was unless I had a massive roster crunch).

Not sure I really want the Twins to grab anyone in the Rule 5 right now; roster spots are at a premium for us right now, so unless it's someone who can step in as a backup catcher right away or a power relief arm it doesn't look to make much sense.

not too worried about Isola getting picked up; he didn't exactly show a lot at the plate in the AFL. If someone wants to try and carry him all season, they're welcome to it, but he's not ready to hit in MLB at all and isn't enough of a difference-maker defensively to make it worth it.

[Dman]

1 hour ago, roger said:

Question, Dman.  Are they going to a 27 man roster next year?

Sorry 26 I must moved my finger over one.

[BullBen]

First three guys are not surprising, trying to make sense of Legumina and must be the potential they see out of the bullpen in the immediate future.  Appears he was out in Minnesota and Target field earlier this month for some training/testing in front of the front office, so they must of liked what they saw and his progress.  Just stat surfing through his first two years in the ORG, put up solid numbers as a SP in year one but got pretty banged up as a starter in AA, has some lingering injury issues possibly. He's also been sort of old for the levels, despite only having two professional seasons under his belt

Last two months of AA season looks like he transitioned to the bullpen (like Enlow) and posted pretty solid numbers.

17.2 IP over 15 appearances - 2.61 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, 26 Ks (13.6 K/9).

I imagine this is his way forward, looks to have had some control issues comparing his Year 1 to Year 2 outputs, but could refine that and see some big gains I hope. 

 

[Fire Dan Gladden]

16 hours ago, Doctor Gast said:

I had 9 Rule 5 prospects I wanted the Twins to protect, Legumina was #9. Very disappointed the Twins didn't do more to protect more. I expect 5 Twins to be selected away.

That is a big number considering the perceived generally poor condition of our minor league system at the moment. 

[nicksaviking]

I was looking forward to Isola, but that was with the assumption that the team still thought they could make a passable (or unpassable) catcher out of him, ala Jeffers and Garver. I now assume they do not.

With that in mind, honestly, this list has the least anxiety filled Rule V snubs I remember in a long time. Even if the players they got in return didn't pan out, moving guys like Steer and Gipson-Long made these decisions much easier. Trading from the following year's pool of Rule V adds should be an annual impetus at the trade deadline.

[East Coast Twin]

3 hours ago, roger said:

Maybe Seth or someone else knows the answer.  What spot will the Twins be picking in this year's Rule 5 draft?  I don't know if their adding Leguma makes it less likely or more that they will make a pick.  Obviously, if they are picking early in the draft there may/should be some interesting prospects available.  Heck, maybe even a solid catcher.  But that may be a dumb comment as he wouldn't be experienced enough to be their 1A catcher and carrying 3 catchers for the entire year is tough.

Clubs draft in reverse order of the standings from the previous season.  Twins and Red Sox tied for the thirteenth lowest winning percentage in 2022.

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/rule-5-draft

 

[DJL44]

1 hour ago, nicksaviking said:

Trading from the following year's pool of Rule V adds should be an annual impetus at the trade deadline.

Besides the players not added this year (Urbina at the top of that list) the list of trade bait, ahem, players who need protection are Austin Martin, Aaron Sabato, Marco Raya, Alerick Soularie and Kalai Rosario. It will be a light year for adds next winter due to the 5 round 2020 draft.

[MN_ExPat]

3 hours ago, arby58 said:

Right - they have to stay on the MLB roster for the entire season. Do we really think there are 5 unprotected Twins minor leaguers that teams are itching to get and keep on their roster for the entirety of the 2023 season? If so, the various rankings of minor league systems (where the Twins are more in the middle or toward the bottom) are missing something.

That wasn't meant as an indictment of the Twins talent or farm system.  Rather, this time of year, most teams are in the same position as the Twins roster space wise.  I guarantee you, that if another team/s were allowed to pluck at will, we would see a fair number of players taken.

 So, yes as to the original post I commented on, I DO think there are at least 5 MLs that other teams would love to have in their system.  Just as the Twins would love to have players from other's systems that we as fans may not know much about. 

The biggest constraint for teams though is simply not having the room inside of their own 40 man and thus it allows a FO to take a (usually safe) gamble and leave certain players off the 40 man.

[Doctor Gast]

2 hours ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

That is a big number considering the perceived generally poor condition of our minor league system at the moment. 

Detroit will pick most of them. ?

[Richie the Rally Goat]

2 hours ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

That is a big number considering the perceived generally poor condition of our minor league system at the moment. 

22.5% of the 40 man roster occupied by AAAA fringe major leaguers who took too long to progress would not bode well for a successful major league season.

that would leave 5 players on the 40 but not on the 26 that weren’t a part of the rule 5 protection, meaning players you want on the 40 because they are actually prospects close to MLR.

[old nurse]

Most teams have a full 40 man roster. There will be non tendered players between now and the draft to open up spots. There are also free agents to sign. For a prospect to be selected pretty much they have to be a better prospect than someone who was on the 40 man of some team at the end of the season and offer more of an upside, I think this year’s rule 5 will be a snooze fest 

[Danchat]

8 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

With that in mind, honestly, this list has the least anxiety filled Rule V snubs I remember in a long time. Even if the players they got in return didn't pan out, moving guys like Steer and Gipson-Long made these decisions much easier. Trading from the following year's pool of Rule V adds should be an annual impetus at the trade deadline.

Agreed, I wouldn't lose a second of sleep if we lost Severino or Sisk. 

[arby58]

19 hours ago, MN_ExPat said:

That wasn't meant as an indictment of the Twins talent or farm system.  Rather, this time of year, most teams are in the same position as the Twins roster space wise.  I guarantee you, that if another team/s were allowed to pluck at will, we would see a fair number of players taken.

 So, yes as to the original post I commented on, I DO think there are at least 5 MLs that other teams would love to have in their system.  Just as the Twins would love to have players from other's systems that we as fans may not know much about. 

The biggest constraint for teams though is simply not having the room inside of their own 40 man and thus it allows a FO to take a (usually safe) gamble and leave certain players off the 40 man.

But it's not just 'have in their system' it's keeping them on the MLB roster for the entire year. That's an even bigger restriction on 'impulse buying' especially as rosters have shrunk compared to the COVID years.

[MGM4706]

Same old thing! All the quality Pitchers are signing and Twins are nowhere in sight!! Another .500 year ahead. But they will be Profitable!!

[roger]

41 minutes ago, MGM4706 said:

Same old thing! All the quality Pitchers are signing and Twins are nowhere in sight!! Another .500 year ahead. But they will be Profitable!!

Question, MGM.  What does this comment have to due with the Twins adding four to their 40-man roster?

[Heiny]

My crystal ball says Pagan and Contreras will be either traded or DFA'd  opening up 40 man spots.  Probably another trade or two.  Like most everyone else, I'm curious about the Legumina add, but there is no guarentee that he also could be put through waivers.  My biggest wonder is the signing of Garlick.  Says to me that the Twins will not be in the market for a FA rh outfield bat. Not a bad platoon player but kinda reminds me of a rh hitting Jake Cave with less defensive ability but a little better bat.  I will miss Caves' hustle though.

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[old nurse]

12 hours ago, MGM4706 said:

Same old thing! All the quality Pitchers are signing and Twins are nowhere in sight!! Another .500 year ahead. But they will be Profitable!!

So you think Anderson is the only quality starting pitcher?