Bloat in the FO

[davidborton]

3 new positions in the FO, a 3rd hitting coach, and a 30-yr old Director of Player Development (who never played college or pro ball), who just happens to be the son of a former GM. Good grief.

[shortround81]

Yep

[LewFordLives]

https://www.mlb.com/twins/team/front-office

If you look at the Front Office Directory the Twins have a "Coordinator, Run Creation" and "Coordinator, Run Prevention".  Didn't those two jobs used to be called "the Manager"?

[Major League Ready]

This is basically the parallel to the development of analytics departments / personnel.  Teams have added a ton of personnel. I heard an interview with someone from the St Louis organization last year and he said they have added 100 people.  Not adding these positions like other teams would be the equivalent to not developing analytics.

[CRF]

Sure teams are adding more FO people...you gotta keep up with the Joneses, but there has to be a lot of overlap and excess. There has to be a limit. How much is too much? Spend the money on players/free agents.

[Major League Ready]

13 hours ago, CRF said:

Sure teams are adding more FO people...you gotta keep up with the Joneses, but there has to be a lot of overlap and excess. There has to be a limit. How much is too much? Spend the money on players/free agents.

I WAR in free agency cost $8M.  They can probably hire 80 people filling these various roles for that same amount.  I would sure hope the effort of these 80 people spread across the entire team and farm system would net more than 1 win per season.

[Craig Arko]

Pretty much a description of any large American corporation, and many public institutions as well. Death by over-administration. 

[Mike Sixel]

We have zero evidence this is bloat. We literally have no idea what they do, or if it matters on the field or not. 

[Dave The Dastardly]

I'd recommend GasX. Got that tip from a chance meeting with the Twins Assistant Bloat Coordinator. Him and the Twins Keyboard Coordinator were having a couple of Hamms down at Louie's. Seems they both got the hots for chili.

[ashbury]

17 hours ago, LewFordLives said:

https://www.mlb.com/twins/team/front-office

If you look at the Front Office Directory the Twins have a "Coordinator, Run Creation" and "Coordinator, Run Prevention".  Didn't those two jobs used to be called "the Manager"?

I decided to bite on your joke, and was going to post an acknowledgement of your having snared me into clicking the link, but gosh darn it the job titles exist.  The two individuals are ex-players (college and minor league respectively), relatively young compared to what I might have expected, but anyway there is some sort of hierarchy in coordination.  Imagine the territorial infighting that would occur if the Twins ever acquired Shohei Ohtani. ?

If they open a job posting for Analytics Impressario and General Buttinsky, I will send them my resume.

[Richie the Rally Goat]

3 hours ago, CRF said:

Sure teams are adding more FO people...you gotta keep up with the Joneses, but there has to be a lot of overlap and excess. There has to be a limit. How much is too much? Spend the money on players/free agents.

Outside of the top executives, front office personnel are $100k or less. 100 people making 100k, is one free agent mediocre infielder.

https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=984cf93e6273bccf&from=serp

 

[Linus]

I think I now understand why Celestino was so poor running the bases. He was being coached by the run prevention coordinator ?

[Game7-91]

Coordinator, Run Creation, analyses trends and then advises baserunners in the strategy of running forward. This is generally considered a proven, effective strategy to increase the possibility of scoring a run. Disco Dan Ford is brought in to advise on those particular situations when running backwards is warranted. This synergizes with the Coordinator, Run Prevention department. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

17 hours ago, davidborton said:

3 new positions in the FO, a 3rd hitting coach, and a 30-yr old Director of Player Development (who never played college or pro ball), who just happens to be the son of a former GM. Good grief.

The Giants are one of the most highly-regarded front offices and their coaching staff is like 15 people.

This is the direction baseball is moving. If you work smarter on the front-end with $200k salary coaches and staff, you save millions on the back-end with fewer bad contracts and better performances from your existing players.

[Nashvilletwin]

The key question is not what these new hires really do - no, instead it’s are these new hires TDers?  Clearly the more TDers hired, the more wins for our beloved Twins…that’s indisputable.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

The Twins FO is becoming similar to our federal government.

[chaderic20]

I heard there was a 38-year-old reliever we could sign for league minimum with that money instead, that would clearly help more than additional coaching and development.

[Doctor Gast]

Management needs to know how to do their job, even with all this bureuacracy, it seems it's not doing any good. They should clean house & pay Wes Johnson.

[Blyleven2011]

We definitely don't have a miracle worker in the bunch  so it takes 5 coaches today to do the job it once took only 1  ...

The way of the world and they are not good at it  ....

May sound negative buts it's reality  ....

[nicksaviking]

I saw zero evidence last year that would make me think 3 hitting coaches is too many. Maybe they need 3 more.

 

[Shobae]

I mean it does seem like there are a lot of assistant directors and I'm honestly not sure what the run creation/prevention people do. But I feel like this is just how a modern front office is. But you also have people like the director of baseball research who had a masters in informatics and a combined 8 years of experience working in MLB team analytics. He seems like the type of guy you'd want to have in a front office.
Also I can't find this 30 year old direct of player dev, the guy who's listed on the twins website is 34 and debuted in the majors, Twins Daily even wrote an article about him. As for a third hitting coach, well if they can help the players not risp their brains out every time a man is on second, then all the better.

[Rosterman]

Some day we will have 26 coaches and 26 personnal tainers, once for each guy on the roster.

[Riverbrian]

On 11/10/2022 at 5:57 PM, Mike Sixel said:

We have zero evidence this is bloat. We literally have no idea what they do, or if it matters on the field or not. 

According to some. They produce these spreadsheets that Rocco should ignore.   

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

More employees means more people coming to work downtown. The idea might have come from Pohlad himself? Good news is the Twins will soon be Minnesota’s biggest employer, but they will need to build a bigger coffee shop down by the station!