Rumor: Dodgers Interested in Carlos Correa

[chpettit19]

7 hours ago, Rosterman said:

He got so many catcalls and boos from visiting Dodger fans when the Twins played the N.L. team at Target Field!

I bet those fans booed Mookie Betts and David Price for when they beat them in 2018, too.

Probably booed Scherzer and Turner for when they knocked them out in 2019, too.

Decent chance they weren't big Freddie Freeman fans after his Braves beat them in 2021 either.

[LA VIkes Fan]

7 hours ago, Richie the Rally Goat said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/why-dodgers-couldnt-hang-on-to-corey-seager-revealed/ar-AARjySz
 

This confirms your recollection 

Just an FYI on how state income taxes work for pro athletes, entertainers, etc., people who put on "shows" in various states. Each game is a game check and you pay taxes in the state in which that game check is earned. So, Corey Seager still pays California income tax, the difference is that he pays it only on California source income, i.e, the prorated portion of his compensation earned when the Rangers play in the state. These guys all file 20-30 state tax returns every year to account for the income they earn by playing or appearing in states with an income tax. So, the lack of a Texas state income tax is a real difference but it's not like it's a tax vs. non tax difference. 

The worst place to play for income tax purposes is New York City. There, you pay New York City income tax (3-4%) as well state and federal income taxes. Still, if you want to be a star you gotta play in NY and LA . . .   

[LA VIkes Fan]

4 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

Well whatever St. Louis and San Diego are doing to fight in the higher weight class, that's what I'm in favor of this team doing.

But also, they don't actually NEED to fight in that weight class to sign Correa or another top SS. Their current payroll would fit a giant contract quite comfortably.

I agree that the current payroll can handle one large contract fairly comfortably. The real question is to me, is that one contract for a pitcher, a shortstop, or can we afford both? I think a pitcher gives you more value but higher injury risk, and the drop off from the top pitchers to the next level is pretty steep. 

I think we can afford both as long as one of the contracts is in the $35 million year range and one of the $20 million a year range or some combination that adds up to $50 – $55 million. Dump Kepler and that goes up $5m-$8.5m. Maybe Correa and Bassitt? Bogearts and Rodon? Correa and Rodon with no Kepler and no Urshela? I vote for signing Correa long term now, trading Kepler for prospects to free up another $8.5m, keeping Urshela, and spending the other $20-$30m million on a combination of Bassitt, David Robertson or Corey Kenebel, and Christian Vasquez. That may be more than we've got to spend but a guy can dream right?. Will be fascinating to see. 

[Richie the Rally Goat]

2 hours ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

Just an FYI on how state income taxes work for pro athletes, entertainers, etc., people who put on "shows" in various states. Each game is a game check and you pay taxes in the state in which that game check is earned. So, Corey Seager still pays California income tax, the difference is that he pays it only on California source income, i.e, the prorated portion of his compensation earned when the Rangers play in the state. These guys all file 20-30 state tax returns every year to account for the income they earn by playing or appearing in states with an income tax. So, the lack of a Texas state income tax is a real difference but it's not like it's a tax vs. non tax difference. 

The worst place to play for income tax purposes is New York City. There, you pay New York City income tax (3-4%) as well state and federal income taxes. Still, if you want to be a star you gotta play in NY and LA . . .   

Indeed, income taxes were a part of it, and playing half your games in an income tax free state is a huge benefit, but the Dodgers were also $75m light on the top line 

[LA VIkes Fan]

$75m is definitely enough to get somebody's attention. 

[Squirrel]

From a Dodgers fan friend of mine:

If the Dodgers sign Correa he will cheer on Correa. But he really hopes they don't sign him.

Not that that will have any affect on what the Dodgers will do. It won't.

[h2oface]

On 10/31/2022 at 1:00 PM, chpettit19 said:

I bet those fans booed Mookie Betts and David Price for when they beat them in 2018, too.

Probably booed Scherzer and Turner for when they knocked them out in 2019, too.

Decent chance they weren't big Freddie Freeman fans after his Braves beat them in 2021 either.

You are so far off here. None of those mentioned were a part of beating them by cheating. Only Correa, and he did it proudly, and still has no apologies. It isn't about losing fair, that is not the problem, it is about being an unrepentant cheater and serving no consequeces. 

[Squirrel]

1 hour ago, h2oface said:

You are so far off here. None of those mentioned we a part of beating them by cheating. Only Correa, and he did it proudly, and still has no apologies. It isn't about losing fair, that is not the problem, it is about being an unrepentant cheater and serving no consequeces. 

Were either of them part of the 2018 WS team? Mookie was, pretty sure, not sure about Price.

[h2oface]

5 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Were either of them part of the 2018 WS team? Mookie was, pretty sure, not sure about Price.

Price was 2-0 with 13.2 innings pitched in 3 games (2 starts) and a 1.98 ERA.

Betts was 5-23 and hit .217 with a double, homer, and 1 RBI.

Not really the point about who played though. Comparing a cheating team and Correa to others that didn't is the point, no matter who they were. Correa and the 2017 Astros have a special place in MLB history, akin to the 1919 Black Sox. History will not forget, even though hometown fans have a selective memory.

[Squirrel]

13 minutes ago, h2oface said:

Price was 2-0 with 13.2 innings pitched in 3 games (2 starts) and a 1.98 ERA.

Betts was 5-23 and hit .217 with a double, homer, and 1 RBI.

Not really the point about who played though. Comparing a cheating team and Correa to others that didn't is the point, no matter who they were. Correa and the 2017 Astros have a special place in MLB history, akin to the 1919 Black Sox. History will not forget, even though hometown fans have a selective memory.

Weren't the Red Sox involved in a similar scandal?

[chpettit19]

49 minutes ago, h2oface said:

Price was 2-0 with 13.2 innings pitched in 3 games (2 starts) and a 1.98 ERA.

Betts was 5-23 and hit .217 with a double, homer, and 1 RBI.

Not really the point about who played though. Comparing a cheating team and Correa to others that didn't is the point, no matter who they were. Correa and the 2017 Astros have a special place in MLB history, akin to the 1919 Black Sox. History will not forget, even though hometown fans have a selective memory.

Yeah, fans of the current team don't care about history, they care about the current team. I assume your strong stance on Correa and those cheating Astros means you didn't cheer for Correa once this year, nor did you cheer for Marwin Gonzalez a single time during his 2 years with the team. If that isn't the case then I'm not far off at all, and am, in fact, directly on.

The point I'm combatting is that teams won't sign, or trade for, a player because their fans don't like them. It's false, and has been proven so hundreds, if not thousands, of times over the years. The FO doesn't care about the fans booing Correa and will sign him if they think that's their best move to help the team win. Those fans booed all those other players and then they cheered for them. Just like Yankees fans booed Johnny Damon until he was wearing pinstripes. Just like Yanks fans booed Josh Donaldson until he was wearing pinstripes. Fan's memories are incredibly short, and the cheating doesn't change the situation at all. The Dodgers will attempt to sign Carlos Correa whether the fans have booed him or not if they believe he gives them the best chance to win. And while they're winning the fans will cheer for him.

[Brock Beauchamp]

2 hours ago, h2oface said:

Price was 2-0 with 13.2 innings pitched in 3 games (2 starts) and a 1.98 ERA.

Betts was 5-23 and hit .217 with a double, homer, and 1 RBI.

Not really the point about who played though. Comparing a cheating team and Correa to others that didn't is the point, no matter who they were. Correa and the 2017 Astros have a special place in MLB history, akin to the 1919 Black Sox. History will not forget, even though hometown fans have a selective memory.

You’re missing the point. The 2018 Red Sox also cheated.

https://www.si.com/.amp/mlb/2020/04/22/red-sox-sign-stealing-scandal

[h2oface]

I didn't forget about Boston in 2018, too. And Alex Cora.... again. But the Red Sox (and wasn't there something the Yankees got caught doing, too?) But the Red Sox were not actively still doing the deeds in the post season. And I feel Houston's vile behavior the worst. They were all a token of Manfred Ball, and were let off the hook as players. But the hate for the Astros and Correa in Dodger Staduim continues to be thunderous and non-stop to this day. If you have never experienced it, you have no idea. It was unbelievable even this year. I have never seen anything like it in all my days of watching and attending baseball games.

And no, I did not cheer for Correa. I put up with it because I obviously had no choice, and I could reconcile it by telling myself over and over, that he was just a visitor here anyway. Being a Twins fan before many here were even born, and having lived through, not just read about the 60's teams, I was not, and will not be a fan of Correa. I hope he is gone, and money is spent on a pitcher(s). I could have been, but his numerous interviews that he gave after the ruling came down showed his disrespect for the game, and arrogance that turned me off. If he woud have just been reticent and humbled, then I coud have and would have given him another go. You all do what you like. There are other options that won't stink like Dior. And Houston is doing just fine with Jeremy Pena, too. The Dodgers may sign him...... and you all may be totally wrong and they will resign Turner, who's speed offers more to his game and the Dodgers like it. All the hard core Dodger fans I know are vomitting at the idea of Correa, and I know a lot of them, as I now live in LA. But they may get him forced down their throats. It could be very ironic and funny for all but the Dodger fans. You all can disparage me for not liking Correa all you want. I don't care. I don't like having to watch A-Roid comment either, but there you go. Some things mean more to me than just talent and winning ballgames.

[chpettit19]

3 hours ago, h2oface said:

I didn't forget about Boston in 2018, too. And Alex Cora.... again. But the Red Sox (and wasn't there something the Yankees got caught doing, too?) But the Red Sox were not actively still doing the deeds in the post season. And I feel Houston's vile behavior the worst. They were all a token of Manfred Ball, and were let off the hook as players. But the hate for the Astros and Correa in Dodger Staduim continues to be thunderous and non-stop to this day. If you have never experienced it, you have no idea. It was unbelievable even this year. I have never seen anything like it in all my days of watching and attending baseball games.

And no, I did not cheer for Correa. I put up with it because I obviously had no choice, and I could reconcile it by telling myself over and over, that he was just a visitor here anyway. Being a Twins fan before many here were even born, and having lived through, not just read about the 60's teams, I was not, and will not be a fan of Correa. I hope he is gone, and money is spent on a pitcher(s). I could have been, but his numerous interviews that he gave after the ruling came down showed his disrespect for the game, and arrogance that turned me off. If he woud have just been reticent and humbled, then I coud have and would have given him another go. You all do what you like. There are other options that won't stink like Dior. And Houston is doing just fine with Jeremy Pena, too. The Dodgers may sign him...... and you all may be totally wrong and they will resign Turner, who's speed offers more to his game and the Dodgers like it. All the hard core Dodger fans I know are vomitting at the idea of Correa, and I know a lot of them, as I now live in LA. But they may get him forced down their throats. It could be very ironic and funny for all but the Dodger fans. You all can disparage me for not liking Correa all you want. I don't care. I don't like having to watch A-Roid comment either, but there you go. Some things mean more to me than just talent and winning ballgames.

I'm impressed you were able to see a Twins player hit a homerun or make a great play at short and not cheer. That takes a lot. But did you stop watching or listening to or following Twins games? Will all those hardcore Dodger fans you know stop going to games, watching games, and buying merch? Will they stop clicking on Dodger related media? I think we all know the answer is "no" for 99.9% of them. So the FO doesn't care. Not even a little. And that's the point I'm combatting.

Fans cheer for laundry. Even if the fans are just "putting up with" having Correa on the team they'll still show up, they'll still watch, they'll still spend their money. And if Correa has a great postseason on the way to a title it'll go from the most unbelievable, thunderous boos ever booed to the most unbelievable, thunderous cheers ever cheered. The FO doesn't care if fans just "put up with it." That's the point. The idea that the Dodgers wouldn't sign Correa cuz he's booed is not based in reality.

You're more than entitled to feel however you want about Correa or anyone else you feel didn't act appropriately. I'm not going to get into a moral stance argument over baseball players. That's not the point. This article is about the Dodgers being interested in signing Carlos Correa. Some commenters have said the Dodgers would never do it because their fans hate him. My stance is that the Dodgers don't care. All they care about is putting the best team on the field they can because winning cures all in fandom. Not for 100% of fans, clearly. But for enough. And that's all they care about. The argument that the FO cares that he's booed and hated is wrong. Him cheating being the cause of the boos doesn't change the equation for the FO. They just want the best players because the fans will turn up and spend their money on the team if they win. End of story.

[Unwinder]

Correa specifically called out the Dodgers last year as a team he didn't want to play for due to the Trevor Bauer scandal thing (or at least that's how everyone interpreted his comments about wanting to play for a team that "respects women"). Maybe money or ambition will change that equation, but as of now, the Dodgers are the only team I've ever heard Correa rule out.

[Squirrel]

18 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

And if Correa has a great postseason on the way to a title it'll go from the most unbelievable, thunderous boos ever booed to the most unbelievable, thunderous cheers ever cheered.

Even if begrudgingly, he will still be cheered. Like my friend said … he’d cheer for him, but hopes the Dodgers don’t sign him.

On a related note to this thread, my friend doesn’t think the Dodgers will re-sign Turner. He thinks Turner will go to the Cubs. So, it would make sense for the Dodgers to then be all in on Correa. I know, a lot of ‘ifs’ in there for an off-season yet to come.

And I still think the Twins have it in their payroll to pay Correa AND Rodon and not have those signings be a detriment. Just once I’d like to see them really go for it, pipe dream as it is.

[chpettit19]

15 minutes ago, Unwinder said:

Correa specifically called out the Dodgers last year as a team he didn't want to play for due to the Trevor Bauer scandal thing (or at least that's how everyone interpreted his comments about wanting to play for a team that "respects women"). Maybe money or ambition will change that equation, but as of now, the Dodgers are the only team I've ever heard Correa rule out.

I don't remember that, but I'd think that the Dodgers shunning Bauer may have changed that equation for him. I have no idea, but I'd think Bauer not playing for them since that story came to light may mean something to Correa, or any other FA. Certainly and interesting piece to the puzzle, though.

[chpettit19]

5 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Even if begrudgingly, he will still be cheered. Like my friend said … he’d cheer for him, but hopes the Dodgers don’t sign him.

On a related note to this thread, my friend doesn’t think the Dodgers will re-sign Turner. He thinks Turner will go to the Cubs. So, it would make sense for the Dodgers to then be all in on Correa. I know, a lot of ‘ifs’ in there for an off-season yet to come.

And I'd argue it'd only be begrudgingly for the first year or so. Or even just until his first walk-off bomb. May not even last a whole year. If he signs a 9 or 10 year deal there they aren't begrudging him for that whole deal. Especially if they win a title in 2023. All is forgiven and he's one of them. If he performs at a star level and wins multiple titles during his deal there he'd become an all-time Dodger great and be beloved. Not for 100% of fans, but for the vast majority of them.

[GopherJeff]

In 2022, Cleveland (AL Central champs) had the lowest payroll in MLB. Next lowest was Baltimore (the O's almost made the playoffs). Seattle  (playoffs) and the Twins (mediocre) were about the same.

The point: you plan and build for the future. You can have a winning team with low(er) cost personnel (this includes coaching staff).

With free agency and the willingness to pay ballplayers $30M, $40M and soon $50M per year, there will be few dynasties.

[h2oface]

8 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

I'm impressed you were able to see a Twins player hit a homerun or make a great play at short and not cheer. That takes a lot. But did you stop watching or listening to or following Twins games? Will all those hardcore Dodger fans you know stop going to games, watching games, and buying merch? Will they stop clicking on Dodger related media? I think we all know the answer is "no" for 99.9% of them. So the FO doesn't care. Not even a little. And that's the point I'm combatting.

Fans cheer for laundry. Even if the fans are just "putting up with" having Correa on the team they'll still show up, they'll still watch, they'll still spend their money. And if Correa has a great postseason on the way to a title it'll go from the most unbelievable, thunderous boos ever booed to the most unbelievable, thunderous cheers ever cheered. The FO doesn't care if fans just "put up with it." That's the point. The idea that the Dodgers wouldn't sign Correa cuz he's booed is not based in reality.

You're more than entitled to feel however you want about Correa or anyone else you feel didn't act appropriately. I'm not going to get into a moral stance argument over baseball players. That's not the point. This article is about the Dodgers being interested in signing Carlos Correa. Some commenters have said the Dodgers would never do it because their fans hate him. My stance is that the Dodgers don't care. All they care about is putting the best team on the field they can because winning cures all in fandom. Not for 100% of fans, clearly. But for enough. And that's all they care about. The argument that the FO cares that he's booed and hated is wrong. Him cheating being the cause of the boos doesn't change the equation for the FO. They just want the best players because the fans will turn up and spend their money on the team if they win. End of story.

I think I agreed that it is possible that the Dodgers may try to sign him. FO people are visitors, and are doing what they do for a salary, not love, and don't really care that much about the fans, for sure.

It was "end of story" before your post. You just repeated yourself once more. I got it, and I think other readers did, the first time. Say it again if you like though. It appears to make you feel good to "combat", even though there is no combat. 

[cHawk]

On 10/30/2022 at 11:47 AM, RpR said:

We have  wishful thinking players who can play SS; about as far from ready as the Twins are from the World Series.

We’re winning the World Series?!?!

[chpettit19]

36 minutes ago, h2oface said:

It was that end of story before your post. You just repeated yourself once more. I got it, and I think other readers did, the first time. Say it again if you like though. It appears to make you feel good to "combat", even though there is no combat. 

Oh, I'm sorry. I should have known that you responding to my post (no, you didn't quote me, but you clearly responded to my question about cheering for Correa) and having a different, very strongly worded, view wasn't you combatting my view. That's my mistake. I guess we're only allowed to repeat ourselves if we're going on moral superiority rants about how we care about more than winning ballgames because we watched the Twins teams in the 60s and didn't just hear about them. These are good notes and I'll be sure to keep them in mind for next time.

[darin617]

On 10/30/2022 at 1:03 PM, WilliesWorld24 said:

We have 0 MLB-ready SS in the system. Lee won’t stay on SS. Even Royce coming back at 100% - he will not stay at SS (3B, 2B or OF). Martin is not a SS. The FO likely has come to this conclusion. We will need to sign or trade for a premium SS - or we are not serious about contending in the foreseeable future. 

Do you think if Correa is resigned to an 8 year deal do you think all 8 years will be at SS? Your comment means nothing.  Nobody stay at a difficult position their whole career.

[RpR]

21 minutes ago, darin617 said:

Do you think if Correa is resigned to an 8 year deal do you think all 8 years will be at SS? Your comment means nothing.  Nobody stay at a difficult position their whole career.

Ozzie Smith, Derek Jeter and Louis Aparicio did, while Cal Ripken only played there for 15 years.

[Major League Ready]

On 11/2/2022 at 5:00 PM, h2oface said:

I think I agreed that it is possible that the Dodgers may try to sign him. FO people are visitors, and are doing what they do for a salary, not love, and don't really care that much about the fans, for sure.

It was "end of story" before your post. You just repeated yourself once more. I got it, and I think other readers did, the first time. Say it again if you like though. It appears to make you feel good to "combat", even though there is no combat. 

You think that most front office people chose this career path and are not fans of the game / don't care?  Do you think Billy Beane does not care?  You think that the people in these positions don't care about their customers (the fans).  You apparently have not been around many people in leadership positions.  The hundreds of leaders I have collaborated with over the years care a lot more than the average employee.  It's their product and the people that get to these positions have pride in their work.  They also understand the practical importance of keeping their job is dependent upon putting a good product on the field.  Once again you have taken the most negative route possible.   At least you are consistent. 

[darin617]

On 11/4/2022 at 7:18 PM, RpR said:

Ozzie Smith, Derek Jeter and Louis Aparicio did, while Cal Ripken only played there for 15 years.

Nobody will anymore. All the stupid sabermetrics will stop that from happening. 

[h2oface]

I'd rather have Jeremy Pena on the Twins than Correa. Houston doesn't miss Correa at all. Pena won the GG, and the WS MVP. ..... as a rookie. Yup. And with no baggage. Carlos who? I really hope the Dodgers do sign him and he tanks. Would be so ironic, and serve them all right.

[ashbury]

13 hours ago, h2oface said:

I'd rather have Jeremy Pena on the Twins than Correa.

Of course.  Who wouldn't?  And the present Twins FO has tried twice with Royce Lewis and now Brooks Lee.  Meanwhile, until that pans out (if ever), the choice is Correa or not, Bogaerts or not, et cetera, and not some other player under team control.

[h2oface]

From MLBTradeRumors today:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/11/dodgers-rumors-clayton-kershaw-gavin-lux-shortstop-carlos-correa.html

"It’s worth noting, to at least some extent, that The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal wrote this morning that Dodgers officials harbor some concern as to how Correa in particular would be perceived by fans. It’s been five years since the Astros’ 2017 sign-stealing scandal, but fans have a long memory and still hold plenty of resentment for how that season played out. There are greater public relations implications with a Correa/Dodgers fit than with Correa and another club.

Adding my own two cents to the matter, it’d be particularly problematic if both Correa and Turner wind up with comparable price tags — as many expect — and Correa gets out to a poor start. Even setting performances aside, there’d be plenty of fan backlash at the notion of letting Turner, currently popular and productive in Los Angeles, leave in favor of Correa if the two indeed have comparable price tags. Plus, as Rosenthal alludes to, the Dodgers tend to shy away from such lengthy contractual commitments. Mookie Betts is a notable exception, but Freddie Freeman is the only other contract of at least six years given out by the Dodgers under Friedman; Correa and Turner both figure to command lengthier pacts."

[h2oface]

On 11/2/2022 at 7:09 AM, chpettit19 said:

.......Fans cheer for laundry. Even if the fans are just "putting up with" having Correa on the team they'll still show up, they'll still watch, they'll still spend their money. And if Correa has a great postseason on the way to a title it'll go from the most unbelievable, thunderous boos ever booed to the most unbelievable, thunderous cheers ever cheered. The FO doesn't care if fans just "put up with it." That's the point. The idea that the Dodgers wouldn't sign Correa cuz he's booed is not based in reality.

You're more than entitled to feel however you want about Correa or anyone else you feel didn't act appropriately. I'm not going to get into a moral stance argument over baseball players. That's not the point. This article is about the Dodgers being interested in signing Carlos Correa. Some commenters have said the Dodgers would never do it because their fans hate him. My stance is that the Dodgers don't care. All they care about is putting the best team on the field they can because winning cures all in fandom. Not for 100% of fans, clearly. But for enough. And that's all they care about. The argument that the FO cares that he's booed and hated is wrong. Him cheating being the cause of the boos doesn't change the equation for the FO. They just want the best players because the fans will turn up and spend their money on the team if they win. End of story.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/twins-among-teams-with-interest-in-dansby-swanson.html

"The Dodgers are reportedly uninterested in Correa, ...."

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/12/dodgers-are-not-pursuing-carlos-correa.html

"The departure of Trea Turner to the Phillies has left the Dodgers with a bit of a hole at shortstop, but it seems they won’t be filling that spot with top free agent option Carlos Correa. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that the team is not pursuing the former Astro and Twin, in part due to his involvement in the Astros’ sign-stealing team of 2017 that beat the Dodgers in the World Series, and how that might upset a large portion of their fanbase."

 

End of story? hmmmmmmmmm. I guess they DO care, and reality is calling.