Who won the 2022 Taylor Rogers Trades

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Taylor Rogers debuted with the Twins in 2016 at age 25 and made an immediate impact on the big league club pitching 61.1 innings to the tune of a 3.96 ERA, 107 ERA+, 1.288 WHIP, and over a strikeout per inning pitched. In total, Rogers compiled 314.2 innings showing an excellent SO/W ratio and an all-star appearance in 2021.

With one year left before free agency, the Twins traded Taylor Rogers to the Padres who then traded him to the Brewers.

It seemed a big blow to the Twins bullpen at the time of the trade and seemed even more painful after losing Paddack for most of 2022-2023 and the performance of Emilio Pagan. Did San Diego or Milwaukee do any better? Did any team “win” a trade involving Taylor Rogers in 2022? 

Taylor Rogers, according to Baseball Reference:

April 7, 2022: Traded by the Minnesota Twins with Brent Rooker and cash to the San Diego Padres for a player to be named later, Chris Paddack and Emilio Pagan. The San Diego Padres sent Brayan Medina (minors) (April 21, 2022) to the Minnesota Twins to complete the trade.

August 1, 2022: Traded by the San Diego Padres with Robert Gasser (minors), Dinelson Lamet and Esteury Ruiz to the Milwaukee Brewers for Josh Hader.

After the trades:

Minnesota Twins:

• Chris Paddack: 0.2 WAR over 22.1 innings before injury ended his 2022 season and expected to miss most of 2023.
• Emilio Pagan: -0.5 WAR over a tortuous 63 innings and made a strong case for Cleveland Guardians June MVP.
• Brayan Medina: 19 years old. 6.46 ERA over 23.2 innings in Florida Complex League, rookie ball.

San Diego Padres:

• Taylor Rogers: 41.1 innings, 1.113 WHIP, 4.35 ERA, 86 ERA+
• Brent Rooker: -0.2 MLB WAR, before being traded to Kansas City for Cam Gallagher on August 2
• CASH: $6,600,000
• Josh Hader: 16 innings, 1.625 WHIP, 7.31 ERA, 52 ERA+

Milwaukee Brewers:

• Taylor Rogers: 23 innings, 1.304, 5.48 ERA, 73 ERA+
• Robert Gasser: 23 years old. 3-3 record, 46.2 innings over AA/AAA in the minors
• Dinelson Lamet: Selected off waivers by the Colorado Rockies before playing for Milwaukee
• Esteury Ruiz: 23 years old. -0.2 WAR in 3 games

 

 

[chpettit19]

I mean the 6.6 mil and a really good Rogers for the first couple months of the season probably gives the Padres the win for this season. If Paddack is good in 2024 the Twins probably win the deal overall. Or if either prospect turns out for the Brewers they probably claim victory on their side of things. I don't think anyone is feeling like they fleeced anyone in this deal, though.

And, for the record, that's how it's supposed to work. I know we have a tendency to want to name someone the "winner" of a trade, but the actual people in front offices aren't trying to "win" trades. They're legitimately attempting to give up equal value for equal value. So both of the Rogers deals this summer seem to have worked out to be even. They were just all on the negative side of value for every team involved, unfortunately.

So my vote is nobody won. Every team lost for the 2022 season.

[weitz41]

At this point no one won. If Hader closes out the WS I give it to the Padres. If not then it depends on Paddack and Medina for the Twins

[nicksaviking]

Brent Rooker only had a -.2 WAR for KC, so everybody LOST this trade, but KC lost the least?

[Riverbrian]

47 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

I mean the 6.6 mil and a really good Rogers for the first couple months of the season probably gives the Padres the win for this season. If Paddack is good in 2024 the Twins probably win the deal overall. Or if either prospect turns out for the Brewers they probably claim victory on their side of things. I don't think anyone is feeling like they fleeced anyone in this deal, though.

And, for the record, that's how it's supposed to work. I know we have a tendency to want to name someone the "winner" of a trade, but the actual people in front offices aren't trying to "win" trades. They're legitimately attempting to give up equal value for equal value. So both of the Rogers deals this summer seem to have worked out to be even. They were just all on the negative side of value for every team involved, unfortunately.

So my vote is nobody won. Every team lost for the 2022 season.

Yep

Trades are equal value when made.

If you want to win a trade... make the players you acquire better. 

[DocBauer]

Almost exactly echoing Chpettit19. I voted the Padres for now, if a winner truly exists. They seemed to give up nothing to get a couple good months of Rogers. That's pretty much it. But the Bewers and Twins basically got nothing from the deal initially. The couple good starts from Paddack were more than wiped out by the damage Pagan did.

Now, if Paddack comes back healthy and good to go in 2024, then the Twins end up probably winning in the long run. 

[jorgenswest]

The Padres have Hader and won two playoff series. It is a win for them.

It can also be a win for the Twins when Paddack is a starter for the Twins in a successful playoff series,

[Doctor Gast]

Twins lost, They told Correa that they're going to compete. So they turn around and trade away their only proven high leverage pitcher. So they'd depend on downward trending for years pitchers Duffy & Pagan to make up for Rogers. IMO it's lunacy, they pretty much singlehandly lost the season for us.

We knew Rogers and knew that he wasn't effective in consecutive games. I was amazed how well Rogers pitched for as long as he did, the way SD used him. I felt sorry for him. Everyone knew Paddack had a fragile arm but SD sold the Twins that he could work through it. Paddack having a fragile arm you don't put him in a SPing role. you put him in as an opener or long relief until or if he pitches through it.

If SD pitched Rogers differently they would came out much better, if the Twins pitched Pagan differently not as a high leverage closer & not double down and Paddack not as a SP we would have ended up much better. It shows how important profiling is. The Twins would have ended up much better if they didn't make the trade, only looking at this year outcome. That's the way I think we need to look at it.

[tarheeltwinsfan]

The Guardians came out the best on these trades. Knocked the Twinkies right out of contention.

[cHawk]

Rogers, Paddack, and Pagan were all godawful this season. That only means one thing for both teams...

[Richie the Rally Goat]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ashbury]

In the unlikely event Chris Paddack turns around after the surgery and provides a year-plus of solid starting pitching then I'll change my mind.  As it stands now, it's a trade that helped neither team really, and at some level 2022 would have gone better had we not made the trade.  Hard to assign a winner to the deal, but we came out behind.