Twins Daily 2022 Awards: Most Valuable Player

[DJL44]

15 hours ago, Minny505 said:

Yes, Urshela had a better offensive season (not going to get into the defensive performance here).

But that's not my point at all. My point is that, if we are going to describe a 23 year old's last two months of his rookie season, during which said months he hit an OPS+ of 103, as "ice cold", then we have a potential hall of famer here and we are not nearly high enough on him.

Because a 103 is the kind of OPS+ only hall of fame players put up in their rookie season when they are "ice cold". That is my point.

That's fine. Give Miranda a vote for Twins ROY. If your team MVP is only a league average hitter then you have a very bad baseball team.

Jose Miranda had a really hot July that is distorting what people think he did this year. He was an average big leaguer - which is good for a rookie - but he wasn't a star. He wasn't even a starter; he backed up Arraez at 1B and Urshela at 3B and rotated through DH.

Correa had a cold July but was better than Miranda every other month of the season. It makes me think that the people commenting here that Miranda should be the MVP instead of Correa only started paying attention in July and tuned out in August when Vikings training camp started.

[baul0010]

On 10/13/2022 at 8:30 AM, Linus said:

I love Arreaz but the MVP has to be Correa and it ain’t even close. Arreaz does one thing really well - Correa does everything really well. 

You are correct!  Arraez is a fan favorite, but I feel like the thinking is we can't give an mvp to a 1 year rental.  Correa was good for 5WAR.  Arraez really tanked in the second half, not to mention his not stellar defense.  I think Duran would have also been a better choice.  I would have voted, Correa, Duran, Miranda, then Arraez.  

[Minny505]

8 hours ago, DJL44 said:

That's fine. Give Miranda a vote for Twins ROY. If your team MVP is only a league average hitter then you have a very bad baseball team.

Jose Miranda had a really hot July that is distorting what people think he did this year. He was an average big leaguer - which is good for a rookie - but he wasn't a star. He wasn't even a starter; he backed up Arraez at 1B and Urshela at 3B and rotated through DH.

Correa had a cold July but was better than Miranda every other month of the season. It makes me think that the people commenting here that Miranda should be the MVP instead of Correa only started paying attention in July and tuned out in August when Vikings training camp started.

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All good points, but still has nothing to do with use the term "ice cold" to describe a two month performance for a 23 year old rookie. "Ice cold" is a term you use for a rookie who needs to be sent back down to AAA.

23 year old rookies that go "ice cold" but maintain a better than league average bat while going "ice cold" have an outside chance of being in the Baseball Hall of Fame roughly 10 years after they retire. It seems like an exaggerated term to use on a guy who will likely be a very good 125ish OPS+, Carlos Correa, Justin Morneau, level hitter over his career, but not a hall of famer.

He does not seem to be an elite hitter, as the use of the term "ice cold" would lead one to believe. He merely had two months where the league made adjustments and now it's his turn to adjust back and be that solid, 125ish OPS+ batter that he can be, over a full season. Hopefully he does. I do not expect him to be a 150 or better batter and an annual all-star starter.

FWIW, I would have voted Correa the MVP. Miranda would be in my top 10, but not top 5. Urshela was more valuable in 2022 and is a better defender, but the gap in that defense between the two is likely a lot smaller than most people perceive. Going forward, I would put my money on Miranda being the more valuable 3B, but not Mike Schmidt.

Maybe Justin Turner though, if he maxes his talent. That would be amazing.

[Heistyman]

On 10/13/2022 at 11:05 AM, Beast said:

Do you get a most valuable player when you stink?

If they lose Arraez, they still stink, they still fold like a cheap tent when it matters, they still win nothing.  Result is the same with or without Arraez.  They maybe win 2-3 more games (whatever his WAR is) with him, which may actually net them a lower draft pick.

Following that logic - Arraez may actually be the least valuable player.  The only value created this season is the future draft pick.  If not for him, it may be a higher, more valuable pick.

This is obviously tongue-in-cheek.  But, there’s no way the MVP isn’t Carlos Correa.  Awarding to Arraez over Correa is just plain absurd.

I'm not giving an MVP award to someone walking out the door.  The clubhouse gets little benefit from that to build on.  Let someone have the award that sticks around and the young players can emulate.