Jorge Lopez to the Twins!

[Vanimal46]

3 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Normally you don't give up 4 prospects for a relief pitcher, but I'm definitely on board with the quantity over quality approach. Hopefully teams other than the Orioles are willing to do this too.

Also, what the heck are the Orioles doing? They're above .500, possibly seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, and trade a guy who would still be around for 2.5 years for Cano and three guys who are many years away from making the majors.

Yeah, you gotta feel empathy for the 12 Orioles fans who have stuck around through the years of sucking. You’d think Baltimore would at least try to remain relevant this year, but apparently not. 

[Murph]

Hoping Jorge Lopez doesn't turn out to be another reclamation project.  He's having a very successful season with numbers that don't line up to his past performance.  So... here's hoping.  The Twins are paying him $1.5 Million - so he's a typical low-risk choice for the Twins.

[AlwaysinModeration]

Baseballtradevalues has this as an even trade:

López 5.6

Povich 1.6

rojas 1.3

nunez 1.2

Cano 0.8

 

LOVE this move.

[Rosterman]

Plus two more seasons of control.

We swapped a 40-man guy who has been questionable in his debuts this season with the Twins.

The Twins will have to make a roster move. Happily St. Paul has an opening now, too. (Will also have to make a pitching roster move when Thielbar comes back). So who are the two pitchers currently on staff that the Twins will designate for asignment?

[nicksaviking]

Yeah, this didn't change the 40-man crunch for next fall. I expect more to happen.

[jorgenswest]

1 minute ago, nicksaviking said:

Yeah, this didn't change the 40-man crunch for next fall. I expect more to happen.

I don’t see the crunch. They shouldn’t make any deals worried about the fringes of the roster. This is not a team with a great farm system.

I do expect more to happen but not because of the roster.

[nicksaviking]

4 minutes ago, jorgenswest said:

I don’t see the crunch. They shouldn’t make any deals worried about the fringes of the roster. This is not a team with a great farm system.

I do expect more to happen but not because of the roster.

Well with the situation they're in, they'll lose guys like Brent Headrick, Anthony Prato, Alex Isola and Sean Mooney, and you could make a case that ALL four of those guys are better than any one of the players the Twins just gave up for Lopez.

So why wouldn't you try to move them instead of losing them for nothing?

[bunsen82]

3 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Well with the situation they're in, they'll lose guys like Brent Headrick, Anthony Prato, Alex Isola and Sean Mooney, and you could make a case that ALL four of those guys are better than any one of the players the Twins just gave up for Lopez.

So why wouldn't you try to move them instead of losing them for nothing?

Nick I am firmly of the belief there is more coming.  It will be some higher level prospects and players at the level of Headrick Prato and Isola.   We will use some of the prospect capital we have built up.   Nice trade on Lopez.  

[Battle ur tail off]

98 mph sinker. 2.5 years left of control. Quantity but not high quality pieces leaving our system. This was a really good trade. Like the arm. 

[USAFChief]

17 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Well with the situation they're in, they'll lose guys like Brent Headrick, Anthony Prato, Alex Isola and Sean Mooney, and you could make a case that ALL four of those guys are better than any one of the players the Twins just gave up for Lopez.

So why wouldn't you try to move them instead of losing them for nothing?

Those four are going to be lost over the winter, but can't help this team now?

 

I don't think any of those four are worth losing sleep over.

[bunsen82]

2 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Those four are going to be lost over the winter, but can't help this team now?

 

I don't think any of those four are worth losing sleep over.

If those four can get us another reliever or Starter,  wouldn't you want to do that?  Use the value you have.  

[USAFChief]

2 minutes ago, bunsen82 said:

If those four can get us another reliever or Starter,  wouldn't you want to do that?  Use the value you have.  

Absolutely. 

 

[CRF]

Could it be? Nah.

[Otto von Ballpark]

By both bWAR and fWAR, Baltimore has the best relievers in MLB this season, so they may view this as dealing from a strength, even if Lopez is controllable for 2023-2024.

[goulik]

7 minutes ago, CRF said:

Could it be? Nah.

Not sure THAT George Lopez would help the relief core but it could be a lot of fun!!

[nicksaviking]

37 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Those four are going to be lost over the winter, but can't help this team now?

 

I don't think any of those four are worth losing sleep over.

I think you missed the point. If you're going to lose them, why wouldn't you trade them for something else now?

[Otto von Ballpark]

Fangraphs had Baltimore with just a 2.7% chance at a postseason berth, even before trading Lopez and Mancini. Despite the playoff expansion to 6 teams, Baltimore only had the 8th best record in the AL, closer to 10th than 7th, with no chance at winning their division and the second most difficult remaining schedule in the league.

[bunsen82]

1 minute ago, nicksaviking said:

I think you missed the point. If you're going to lose them, why wouldn't you trade them for something else now?

I think he is on the same page  just didn't come across well.  

[nicksaviking]

6 minutes ago, Otto von Ballpark said:

Fangraphs had Baltimore with just a 2.7% chance at a postseason berth, even before trading Lopez and Mancini. Despite the playoff expansion to 6 teams, Baltimore only had the 8th best record in the AL, closer to 10th than 7th, with no chance at winning their division and the second most difficult remaining schedule in the league.

Mancini makes more sense than Lopez because Fangraphs isn't listing Baltimore's chances in 2023 or 2024. 

Which I mean, I get it, Baltimore is never good, but is the plan just to suck forever?

[bwillly]

Get Mahle now and im a happy camper. Gray, Mahle, Ryan is a decent postseason 1, 2, 3. 
 

Mahle actually is underrated and would be a great postseason starter in target field which isn’t like cinci’s bandbox 

[Hank]

2 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

Yeah, you gotta feel empathy for the 12 Orioles fans who have stuck around through the years of sucking. You’d think Baltimore would at least try to remain relevant this year, but apparently not. 

The Orioles feel it is only a 5% chance of a wild card and probably one and done.  They also have Felix Bautista as the closer in waiting who throws 101 mph.  Just stocking arms at this point.  I hope Lopez works out for you all.  Curious about what you all think of the lottery tickets the Twins traded.  The Orioles feel the MLB roster is at least 1 year ahead of schedule.  Plenty more coming up from the minors.  All controllable.

[howeda7]

2 hours ago, Vanimal46 said:

Yeah, you gotta feel empathy for the 12 Orioles fans who have stuck around through the years of sucking. You’d think Baltimore would at least try to remain relevant this year, but apparently not. 

Once they traded Mancini they'd made their choice though, so this makes sense.

[Otto von Ballpark]

10 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Mancini makes more sense than Lopez because Fangraphs isn't listing Baltimore's chances in 2023 or 2024. 

Which I mean, I get it, Baltimore is never good, but is the plan just to suck forever?

See my post above -- Baltimore leads MLB in reliever fWAR and bWAR this year, so they probably view it as a position of strength, enough that they don't need to rely on Lopez so much to continue improving and hopefully compete in 2023-2024.

And if you're going to take a chance dealing someone with team control, it's best to be a reliever. Doesn't seem uncommon either -- Pressly, etc.

[ashbury]

I'm waiting for the deadline later today to fully evaluate this one trade, in case there's a larger context to understand, but my snap reaction is that pitching remains the coin of the realm.  The strategy to draft a bunch of can't-miss corner bats and (this year) scrappy shortstops doesn't move the needle when trade time comes - what've you got for arms in your system, that determines what you can do.

[Squirrel]

2 hours ago, USAFChief said:

Is he on a plane yet?

 

[Dman]

28 minutes ago, Hank said:

The Orioles feel it is only a 5% chance of a wild card and probably one and done.  They also have Felix Bautista as the closer in waiting who throws 101 mph.  Just stocking arms at this point.  I hope Lopez works out for you all.  Curious about what you all think of the lottery tickets the Twins traded.  The Orioles feel the MLB roster is at least 1 year ahead of schedule.  Plenty more coming up from the minors.  All controllable.

IMO this is a really good deal for the O's.  Povich is a hard throwing lefty who has been healthy all year.  Nice K numbers a projectible arm and did I mention he is a lefty.  He might be ranked number 20 right now but wouldn't have been for long.

Cano has some rough edges mainly issues throwing strikes when he absolutely needs to but if you can get him there he has 4 decent pitches and good numbers at AAA.  He could be a serviceable MLB reliever or he could be who he is at the level which isn't very good.

I don't know anything about the lottery tickets but I know the O's play the Twins a fair bit in the FSL so they must have identified those two players as likely up and comers. I think it is the K\9 that has them interested in both arms.  Even if they just become good relievers down the road then that would be a win for the O's but odds are long so that is why they are lottery tickets.

I think Given that Lopez was a waiver claim you came out really well just getting Povich.  The rest is gravy if it works out.

[nicksaviking]

20 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

 

Seems like that number might get retired at some point.

Because of Lopez of course.

[nicksaviking]

1 hour ago, bwillly said:

Get Mahle now and im a happy camper. Gray, Mahle, Ryan is a decent postseason 1, 2, 3. 
 

Mahle actually is underrated and would be a great postseason starter in target field which isn’t like cinci’s bandbox 

I'd like Mahle, but I don't know if you're getting to the post season with both Archer and Bundy sticking in the rotation the rest of the year. I think they need two starters, but time's running out. Maybe they can do one prospect heavy trade and one salary dump trade, but the Pohlad's would have to be OK bumping up the payroll. They might be though.

[Game7-91]

Lopez looks like Rick Aguilera. Here's hoping he closes out games like that, because that would really help!

[Fatbat]

4 hours ago, nicksaviking said:

Yeah, I mean the Twins don't have many healthy trade chips, but they could redo the entire pen if they find other deals like this. Hajjar, Headrick, Festa. Give me something good.

Hajjar will most likely be in AAA in 2023 so I dont see him getting traded. Twins will need left handers soon.